Does Jimmy G need to redeem himself from the SB?

Originally posted by ShotTime:

Originally posted by susweel:

He'd have to win at least 2 superbowls to redeem himself for that s**t show. Most likely he'll never make it back.

I still always think how insane it is that Tom Brady won 6 Super Bowls. You'd have to win a super bowl every other year, for 12 years. It's hard to see someone passing him for most Super Bowl wins as a quarterback.... imagine if he wins one with the bucs lol.

That would be awesome he's the real goat. We should have gotten him.

Originally posted by ShotTime:

Originally posted by swaccmac1:

Originally posted by ShotTime:

Originally posted by swaccmac1:

Originally posted by ShotTime:

Originally posted by swaccmac1:
bottom line is ... jimmy played good enough last year for the team to get to the super bowl and almost win it. problem is ... when you get to the super bowl you have to make plays in crunch time to win the game. Mahomes made plays down the stretch and jimmy didn't .... it's as simple as that. the bad part about last year is its hard to get back the next year. I'm expecting 10-6 and playoffs next year but no super bowl and then there will be the question..... what do we do next. I don't know at this point.

If we don't win it next year, that's fine. To be honest I think the only team that feels like they can or should win it next year is the chiefs. The patriots are no longer that team that you think "well there's always the patriots."

Top of that, I've said this a few times. We shouldn't judge him on his inability to win the big one, just being able to get to the big game and compete for it is good enough.. we should be judging him on whether or not he improves his game, how he improves, and how he looks as these seasons progress... Dan Marino never won the big one and is considered one of the greats. Brees will probably go down as only ever winning 1 super bowl and he will be considered one of the greats. It's just that hard to win the big one.

as a longtime 49er fan I want championships. if jimmy doesn't win one in the next three years we need to find a qb who can. I'm not looking for a qb who would be considered one of the greats, I'm looking for one that can win the big game. nothing against Dan Marino, but I'm the type of guy that would take Eli Manning and his two super bowl wins over Dan Marino and all of his stats any day...

If that giants team(s) had Dan Marino instead of Eli, they'd have more than just the two they got with Eli is my point.....

To further my point in case it isn't making sense, just because a guy like Dan Marino didn't win the super bowl, doesn't mean you wouldn't want a Dan marino in 2020... that is my point. If jimmy g plays like Brees, or a new version of Marino etc, we would all be thrilled, and you would too..

If mahomes never wins another Super Bowl throughout his career, do you actually think the Kc fans would've wished they were using a different qb throughout this next decade..

Point being is, you want super bowl wins, ok that's fine, but you win Super Bowls when your qb is a great qb. You don't throw away a great qb for Trent dilfer just because dilfer won a super bowl...

I would lol super win or bust ..... second place is for losers.... I get your point ... I'd still trade marinos stats for eli's two sb victories

Anyone would trade no super bowl wins for two Super Bowl wins but your scenario requires being clairvoyant and that's just impossible. So it comes down to in 2020 would you rather have a guy like Brees or would you rather have Eli? Everyone would take Brees is my point even though a guy like Eli won 2 and Brees only won 1....

I would never be clairvoyant lol. whatever that means lol. I make my point because I'm not sold on jimmy g ever being as great as drew brees or even Dan Marino. you seem to have anointed jimmy g to that status. I believe he still has much to prove and if he hasn't in the next three years [ie super bowl win} I think we should look elsewhere. long time 9er fans became accustomed to super bowl wins, much like the patriot fans of today. We like our qb's to win super bowl. call me spoiled but that's a hard habit to break.

Originally posted by swaccmac1:

I would never be clairvoyant lol. whatever that means lol. I make my point because I'm not sold on jimmy g ever being as great as drew brees or even Dan Marino. you seem to have anointed jimmy g to that status. I believe he still has much to prove and if he hasn't in the next three years [ie super bowl win} I think we should look elsewhere. long time 9er fans became accustomed to super bowl wins, much like the patriot fans of today. We like our qb's to win super bowl. call me spoiled but that's a hard habit to break.

I definitely haven't anointed jimmy g to that status, and your opinion of him very much reflects my opinion of him. If you want a more detailed opinion of mine, it's on page 1 of this thread...

I too think if he doesn't progress (because he very much needs to) then we do need to look elsewhere. I thought our discussion was about the measuring stick for a quarterback being worthy of being the qb of the 49ers, not whether or not jimmy g was a good qb.

Originally posted by 49er-from-Yavin-IV:
All I recall was the Chiefs' D-Line knocking down seemingly every pass. It still stings.

YES, and this is the part I still cant figure out why Choke Artist Kyle would not call a play where Grappy could roll out to get out of the pocket.. or even his famous HB screens that he used early in the season..

We need tk get him a better OL. With our first rounders we get OT and C

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by 49er-from-Yavin-IV:
All I recall was the Chiefs' D-Line knocking down seemingly every pass. It still stings.

YES, and this is the part I still cant figure out why Choke Artist Kyle would not call a play where Grappy could roll out to get out of the pocket.. or even his famous HB screens that he used early in the season..

Or build and train an OLine to pass protect as good as it blocks for the run. If the Oline was as good at pass protection as it was at run blocking the SB would have been ours.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Hell yea...i can close my eyes and just watch that ball sail over Sanders head.

People focus on that play way too much. It would've been a tough deep ball to drop over top of the coverage, and even if he hit Sanders, Mahomes had been moving the ball at will against our D, and would've had nearly 2 minutes to answer.

Bruh to miss a wide open wr that would give you the lead isn't focusing too much. Maybe the defense gets a turnover and closes it out. Maybe they fumble the kickoff.

Can we stop calling Sanders a wide open WR?

He was open. Tyreek Hill on 3rd and 15 was wide open.

Garoppolo's throw to Sanders was a MUCH tougher throw than Mahomes' pass to Hill.

Come on with the semantics bruh. Jimmy failed us in that moment anyway you want to slice it.

If he does redeem himself its going to have to be w/out the WR he clearly overthrew for a possible game winner

Originally posted by LVJay:
If he does redeem himself its going to have to be w/out the WR he clearly overthrew for a possible game winner

He should've thrown it to staley and let staley get the game winning td

He cost us a SB, no way around it....

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Hell yea...i can close my eyes and just watch that ball sail over Sanders head.

People focus on that play way too much. It would've been a tough deep ball to drop over top of the coverage, and even if he hit Sanders, Mahomes had been moving the ball at will against our D, and would've had nearly 2 minutes to answer.

Bruh to miss a wide open wr that would give you the lead isn't focusing too much. Maybe the defense gets a turnover and closes it out. Maybe they fumble the kickoff.

Can we stop calling Sanders a wide open WR?

He was open. Tyreek Hill on 3rd and 15 was wide open.

Garoppolo's throw to Sanders was a MUCH tougher throw than Mahomes' pass to Hill.

Come on with the semantics bruh. Jimmy failed us in that moment anyway you want to slice it.

It's not semantics. You literally wrote he was wide open.

Why is it cool for you to user hyperbole when taking jabs at the QB but correcting you is now semantics?

That was not an easy throw to make. You can say he missed it and Sanders was open without saying he was wide open because he wasn't.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by lamontb:
Hell yea...i can close my eyes and just watch that ball sail over Sanders head.

People focus on that play way too much. It would've been a tough deep ball to drop over top of the coverage, and even if he hit Sanders, Mahomes had been moving the ball at will against our D, and would've had nearly 2 minutes to answer.

Bruh to miss a wide open wr that would give you the lead isn't focusing too much. Maybe the defense gets a turnover and closes it out. Maybe they fumble the kickoff.

Can we stop calling Sanders a wide open WR?

He was open. Tyreek Hill on 3rd and 15 was wide open.

Garoppolo's throw to Sanders was a MUCH tougher throw than Mahomes' pass to Hill.

Come on with the semantics bruh. Jimmy failed us in that moment anyway you want to slice it.

It's not semantics. You literally wrote he was wide open.

Why is it cool for you to user hyperbole when taking jabs at the QB but correcting you is now semantics?

That was not an easy throw to make. You can say he missed it and Sanders was open without saying he was wide open because he wasn't.

Or maybe you could also say Sanders wasn't running fast enough and that contributed to the overthrow. One thing for certain Jimmy G is still QB and Sanders is gone.

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by 49er-from-Yavin-IV:
All I recall was the Chiefs' D-Line knocking down seemingly every pass. It still stings.

YES, and this is the part I still cant figure out why Choke Artist Kyle would not call a play where Grappy could roll out to get out of the pocket.. or even his famous HB screens that he used early in the season..

Or build and train an OLine to pass protect as good as it blocks for the run. If the Oline was as good at pass protection as it was at run blocking the SB would have been ours.

NOT knowing how limited our OLine is just tells you MORE how IDIOTIC Shanny is.. it just doesn't make anysense.. over and over and over..

he tried to kill the clock in the 1st half because of how explosive KC's offense is, then he forgot about how explosive KC's offense is in the 4th quarter and ended up throwing the ball ??

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by 49er-from-Yavin-IV:
All I recall was the Chiefs' D-Line knocking down seemingly every pass. It still stings.

YES, and this is the part I still cant figure out why Choke Artist Kyle would not call a play where Grappy could roll out to get out of the pocket.. or even his famous HB screens that he used early in the season..

Or build and train an OLine to pass protect as good as it blocks for the run. If the Oline was as good at pass protection as it was at run blocking the SB would have been ours.

NOT knowing how limited our OLine is just tells you MORE how IDIOTIC Shanny is.. it just doesn't make anysense.. over and over and over..

he tried to kill the clock in the 1st half because of how explosive KC's offense is, then he forgot about how explosive KC's offense is in the 4th quarter and ended up throwing the ball ??

Our replacement centre was just leaving massive gaps in the line. The A Gap was so large at times KC could have driven a Mac truck through it.

I think shannen started panicking at the end of the second quarter. Lynch was even calling a timeout in the booth. JL should have benched Shanahan and took over coaching at that point and won the SB