Brandon Aiyuk is a 49er! Pick #25, 2020 NFL Draft

The players' job in negotiations is to get the most money out of their talent, and the team's job is to get the most talent for their allowed cap money. There is absolutely no doubt that everyone on here is a 49er fan and wants the team to do well, but realistically, being a player's advocate is antithetical to that goal. Also, to be a player's advocate, and both sides for that matter, it behooves one to not extrapolate what the other side says into what was not said or meant, or the conversation will necessarily devolve into arguments over that and consequently respect and civility are compromised and the resulting hard feelings makes the will to achieve agreement diminish.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Oh you tickling your pickle too? 🤣

This is what I would've wanted pre draft to give up my All Pro proven WR because I'm trying to strengthen not weaken my club. Looking at the last draft I felt MAYBE one of the top four guys had a chance to replace BA for us this year thus my top 15 pick requirement. There's no way I wanted to trade him anyway but if I did that's what it'd take. You get it?

Why would I want to trade him instead of extend him or play him on the 5 th year? What's in it for me to trade what I got at $14M with the ability to tag and trade next year? Huh?

That is why I would set a high price just to get my antennas up

The idea would be to maximize his worth and our leverage in some kind of balance with our season goals.

Forcing an unhappy player to play on a 5th year option and then holding him hostage with the franchise tag isn't necessarily as appealing as some might think it is. It's not like other teams (potential trade partners) don't understand our position.

Originally posted by BOI49er:
The players' job in negotiations is to get the most money out of their talent, and the team's job is to get the most talent for their allowed cap money. There is absolutely no doubt that everyone on here is a 49er fan and wants the team to do well, but realistically, being a player's advocate is antithetical to that goal. Also, to be a player's advocate, and both sides for that matter, it behooves one to not extrapolate what the other side says into what was not said or meant, or the conversation will necessarily devolve into arguments over that and consequently respect and civility are compromised and the resulting hard feelings makes the will to achieve agreement diminish.

Agreed

Originally posted by frenchmov:
It's just odd to me that you don't see that guys like schefter, etc. are fed things from teams/players/agents/gms that are to their respective benefits.

Just as you say there is no harm in not defending niners management, nor is there harm in saying the player or agent also heavily contributed to this stalemate.

It's just funny how we consistently use them as resources to know what's going on…and now ya'll are poo pooing them

I've spoken to a one time respectable insider. There's absolutely sides to what they all do. Guys that work for NFLN work for the league. What they report often favors the team. So why would Mike report what he did about SF not talking to him for months? That doesn't benefit the team and yet he still said it. Then you have the Schultz/anderson reporters who work mainly through the players/agents and you get that perspective.

look man if you don't believe what Mike said that's fine. I'm gonna continue to use him and others as sources in here.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Nobody muscled BA. He could be gone right now to NE or CLE but he backed out so he has to properly use the muscle in between his ears

Sorry I should have said this is what the fans want now. Overall this isn't how SF operates in these situations

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
The idea would be to maximize his worth and our leverage in some kind of balance with our season goals.

Forcing an unhappy player to play on a 5th year option and then holding him hostage with the franchise tag isn't necessarily as appealing as some might think it is. It's not like other teams (potential trade partners) don't understand our position.

Bingo

Originally posted by BOI49er:
The players' job in negotiations is to get the most money out of their talent, and the team's job is to get the most talent for their allowed cap money. There is absolutely no doubt that everyone on here is a 49er fan and wants the team to do well, but realistically, being a player's advocate is antithetical to that goal. Also, to be a player's advocate, and both sides for that matter, it behooves one to not extrapolate what the other side says into what was not said or meant, or the conversation will necessarily devolve into arguments over that and consequently respect and civility are compromised and the resulting hard feelings makes the will to achieve agreement diminish.

Man I'm off the next couple days so I got time and I'm feeling good so I'm in here to roast dudes for sport and kill time.

I can be players advocate too. For BA first I have to decide what I want. Money or take a compromise for the right team.

If I want money I set my price and if the team can't meet it I ask for a trade and I get my money elsewhere

If I want team I have two options. I play on fifth year or I take the max amount I can negotiate with my team and get to the field

As a player if I decide to remain here I hit the field and put up my numbers and go back to the table armed to ask for even more money here or in a future trade

As a player I understand I lose money undoubtedly and irrefutably if I miss games starting now. I gotta ball to make the confetti fall

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
The idea would be to maximize his worth and our leverage in some kind of balance with our season goals.

Forcing an unhappy player to play on a 5th year option and then holding him hostage with the franchise tag isn't necessarily as appealing as some might think it is. It's not like other teams (potential trade partners) don't understand our position.

You're about to find out real soon how this works. You heard what Lynch said so watch what happens. This is the move and how it's going down. They're leaning into their leverage just as these players would try to do ala Trent and Bosa

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Bingo

But to be clear, I don't think we should just pay him whatever he's asking either. I'm good with setting our price and then looking to trade him if we can't come to an agreement. I just tend to think now would be a better time than next year, under the tag, if we are looking for best possible return. Could be wrong of course and what happens this season could change his value in either direction. I wouldn't expect a better return when we are in what I think would be a more desperate position.

Is he traded yet? Time's a wasting. Ship him to Pittsburgh.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
You're about to find out real soon how this works. You heard what Lynch said so watch out hat happens. This is the move and how it's going down. They're leaning into their leverage just as these players would try to do ala Trent and Bosa

For what it's worth I watched you be massively incorrect about the QB situation last year, a lot of it based on statements from Lynch and Co.

As I mentioned, I don't have a dog in this fight. Pretty much ok with any outcome here and not mad at either 'side'. It's the business side of the game.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
But to be clear, I don't think we should just pay him whatever he's asking either. I'm good with setting our price and then looking to trade him if we can't come to an agreement. I just tend to think now would be a better time than next year, under the tag, if we are looking for best possible return. Could be wrong of course and what happens this season could change his value in either direction. I wouldn't expect a better return when we are in what I think would be a more desperate position.

No we won't trade him just to trade him because this incentivizes other players to pull this stunt. We lean into the leverage and hold him to the deal. It ain't illegal for the team to lean into leverage just as Trent and Bosa have done

There is nothing better on the zone than reading NY defend his stance against multiple posters.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
No we won't trade him just to trade him because this incentivizes other players to pull this stunt. We lean into the leverage and hold him to the deal. It ain't illegal for the team to lean into leverage just as Trent and Bosa have done

It wouldn't be trading him just to trade him, as I explained. It would be trading him to get as much back as possible now rather than a potential lesser haul next offseason when we have less flexibility.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
For what it's worth I watched you be massively incorrect about the QB situation last year, a lot of it based on statements from Lynch and Co.

As I mentioned, I don't have a dog in this fight. Pretty much ok with any outcome here and not mad at either 'side'. It's the business side of the game.

Good

I ain't a coach and good thing I ain't but I can do math and watch what happens with this situation. Heck the team was obviously wrong at QB too passing on Mahomes and drafting Trey with three firsts. They too were massively wrong about the QB situation but you don't get down on yourself because you make errors. That's for weaklings. You get back in the fight.

We ain't giving in and we don't have to unless we benefit from doing so. Leaning into the leverage