Brandon Aiyuk is a 49er! Pick #25, 2020 NFL Draft

Originally posted by ninersrule4:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by ninersrule4:

Originally posted by 4thandlong:

I've never understood the love Prescott gets. Has all the weapons he needs and they are crap.

Coaching and defense. It's not complicated

Prescott's pretty, but he doesn't have IT..

15 game winning drives. Sure doesn't have that "it" factor.

I live in Dallas so I watch him a lot.. It disgusts me to have to admit it, but he's absolutely a top 10 quarterback. Dallas can score a ton but they can't stop anyone.

He's a great fit for what they do.

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

It's not about rooting for him, it's about him being a significant upgrade over Jimmy.

The bias some fans show is sad at times.

I know some biased fans against a winning qb that has WAY less help on offense

That'd be me, I'm not against jimmy I'm happy we have him. What bothers me are the overly supportive fans. When I think of Dak I think Kirk Cousins a lot of padded stats. Jimmy has more of a spark and can make improvised tight window plays, at the same time he'll try and fit it in there a half second to late way to often. His deep ball is also meh.

Tyron Smith and La'el Collins out for the season? Check

Joe Looney out multiple weeks with MCL sprain? Check

Travis Frederick, All-Pro Center, retired? Check

Sacks per game and Giveaways per game, up from last year? Check

We will see if Dak can continue to perform at a high level always playing from behind and with a depleted OL.

But this thread is about Brandon Aiyuk, one of the most exciting young players currently on the 49ers.

Originally posted by ninersrule4:

15 game winning drives. Sure doesn't have that "it" factor.

I've always hated the game winning drive stat. It counts non pressure situations as if he came through in the clutch.

In every real game winning drive situation I've seen him in (where he started a drive down and with less than 3 minutes left) he's choked pretty bad.

Originally posted by ninersrule4:

Originally posted by elguapo:

It's pretty easy to go on a scoring drive when you have the best OL, the best Running game and a top rb and a top 3 wr core.

I don't understand this logic. That's like me saying it was pretty easy for JG to get to the Super Bowl when he had the 2nd best running game, one of the best offensive minds in football and a top 3 defense.

I don't think you quite understand the logic at all. We are talking about performance and the last time I checked the Niners great defense didn't help Jimmy Garoppolo in terms of offensive performance or statistics or even not buckling under pressure like Dak does.

It's pretty simple. Now if you made an argument that the defense helped the 49ers win games of course we would all agree with that. However you missed the point, we are simply saying that deck Prescott has probably the best offensive supporting cast around him in the NFL and he still cannot come through against good defenses or in the playoffs if he even helps get them there in the first place.

Garoppolo had average receivers at best to throw to last year and the line was not close to the one the Cowboys have had the past five years and he still was first in the NFL on third and fourth downs. That is ridiculously good, now imagine if he had the Cowboys receivers to throw to or Elliot running over people consistently?

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

I've always hated the game winning drive stat. It counts non pressure situations as if he came through in the clutch.

In every real game winning drive situation I've seen him in (where he started a drive down and with less than 3 minutes left) he's choked pretty bad.

This. He also holds the ball so long and he takes so many unnecessary sacks it's not even funny. Anyways back to our receiver that could be an Olympic hurdler if he wanted to! I think we finally are getting receivers that we can count on to get open consistently but we will see, we still don't know. As of now they are still above average compared to most teams as a receiving unit

We've got the talent for sure. It's up too Shanahan to expand the offense a bit. I feel like if you aren't the guy getting screens, end around, or slants off RPOs you are just a bystander in a lot of games. Simply having a bunch of talent on the field will make this offense a lot better but I don't see Aiyuk ever having sexy stats.

Originally posted by elguapo:
It's pretty easy to go on a scoring drive when you have the best OL, the best Running game and a top rb and a top 3 wr core.

Not any more. Collins was injured before the season and is out all year. Now the lost Tyron Smith. Both pro bowl caliber tackles now out for the year.

Originally posted by S41MAN:
We've got the talent for sure. It's up too Shanahan to expand the offense a bit. I feel like if you aren't the guy getting screens, end around, or slants off RPOs you are just a bystander in a lot of games. Simply having a bunch of talent on the field will make this offense a lot better but I don't see Aiyuk ever having sexy stats.

You don't see Aiyuk having sexy numbers - why not?

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by S41MAN:

We've got the talent for sure. It's up too Shanahan to expand the offense a bit. I feel like if you aren't the guy getting screens, end around, or slants off RPOs you are just a bystander in a lot of games. Simply having a bunch of talent on the field will make this offense a lot better but I don't see Aiyuk ever having sexy stats.

You don't see Aiyuk having sexy numbers - why not?

I actually believe he'll become the best receiver on the team.

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by ninersrule4:

Originally posted by elguapo:

It's pretty easy to go on a scoring drive when you have the best OL, the best Running game and a top rb and a top 3 wr core.

I don't understand this logic. That's like me saying it was pretty easy for JG to get to the Super Bowl when he had the 2nd best running game, one of the best offensive minds in football and a top 3 defense.

I don't think you quite understand the logic at all. We are talking about performance and the last time I checked the Niners great defense didn't help Jimmy Garoppolo in terms of offensive performance or statistics or even not buckling under pressure like Dak does.

It's pretty simple. Now if you made an argument that the defense helped the 49ers win games of course we would all agree with that. However you missed the point, we are simply saying that deck Prescott has probably the best offensive supporting cast around him in the NFL and he still cannot come through against good defenses or in the playoffs if he even helps get them there in the first place.

Garoppolo had average receivers at best to throw to last year and the line was not close to the one the Cowboys have had the past five years and he still was first in the NFL on third and fourth downs. That is ridiculously good, now imagine if he had the Cowboys receivers to throw to or Elliot running over people consistently?

So having the best TE in the league, two of the best YAC players in the league in Kittle and Deebo, having the best offensive mind in football and the #2 rushing attack in football didn't affect JGs performance? JG has weapons let's not pretend that he doesn't.

Originally posted by ninersrule4:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by ninersrule4:

Originally posted by elguapo:
It's pretty easy to go on a scoring drive when you have the best OL, the best Running game and a top rb and a top 3 wr core.

I don't understand this logic. That's like me saying it was pretty easy for JG to get to the Super Bowl when he had the 2nd best running game, one of the best offensive minds in football and a top 3 defense.

I don't think you quite understand the logic at all. We are talking about performance and the last time I checked the Niners great defense didn't help Jimmy Garoppolo in terms of offensive performance or statistics or even not buckling under pressure like Dak does.

It's pretty simple. Now if you made an argument that the defense helped the 49ers win games of course we would all agree with that. However you missed the point, we are simply saying that deck Prescott has probably the best offensive supporting cast around him in the NFL and he still cannot come through against good defenses or in the playoffs if he even helps get them there in the first place.

Garoppolo had average receivers at best to throw to last year and the line was not close to the one the Cowboys have had the past five years and he still was first in the NFL on third and fourth downs. That is ridiculously good, now imagine if he had the Cowboys receivers to throw to or Elliot running over people consistently?

So having the best TE in the league, two of the best YAC players in the league in Kittle and Deebo, having the best offensive mind in football and the #2 rushing attack in football didn't affect JGs performance? JG has weapons let's not pretend that he doesn't.

He has hella weapons - it's going to be fun to watch.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by ninersrule4:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by ninersrule4:

Originally posted by elguapo:

It's pretty easy to go on a scoring drive when you have the best OL, the best Running game and a top rb and a top 3 wr core.

I don't understand this logic. That's like me saying it was pretty easy for JG to get to the Super Bowl when he had the 2nd best running game, one of the best offensive minds in football and a top 3 defense.

I don't think you quite understand the logic at all. We are talking about performance and the last time I checked the Niners great defense didn't help Jimmy Garoppolo in terms of offensive performance or statistics or even not buckling under pressure like Dak does.

It's pretty simple. Now if you made an argument that the defense helped the 49ers win games of course we would all agree with that. However you missed the point, we are simply saying that deck Prescott has probably the best offensive supporting cast around him in the NFL and he still cannot come through against good defenses or in the playoffs if he even helps get them there in the first place.

Garoppolo had average receivers at best to throw to last year and the line was not close to the one the Cowboys have had the past five years and he still was first in the NFL on third and fourth downs. That is ridiculously good, now imagine if he had the Cowboys receivers to throw to or Elliot running over people consistently?

So having the best TE in the league, two of the best YAC players in the league in Kittle and Deebo, having the best offensive mind in football and the #2 rushing attack in football didn't affect JGs performance? JG has weapons let's not pretend that he doesn't.

He has hella weapons - it's going to be fun to watch.

Jimmy has a thread. Dak probably has one too. Go to those threads. This is the Aiyuk thread

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I've always hated the game winning drive stat. It counts non pressure situations as if he came through in the clutch.

In every real game winning drive situation I've seen him in (where he started a drive down and with less than 3 minutes left) he's choked pretty bad.

I agree. I mentioned earlier in this thread (or in another one) that a "game-winning drive" would include a go-ahead 80-yard TD pass on the first play of the 4th quarter. I wouldn't necessarily say that Garoppolo wilts under pressure, but I don't think he's as clutch as this board portrays him to be either.

Originally posted by theduke85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

I've always hated the game winning drive stat. It counts non pressure situations as if he came through in the clutch.

In every real game winning drive situation I've seen him in (where he started a drive down and with less than 3 minutes left) he's choked pretty bad.

I agree. I mentioned earlier in this thread (or in another one) that a "game-winning drive" would include a go-ahead 80-yard TD pass on the first play of the 4th quarter. I wouldn't necessarily say that Garoppolo wilts under pressure, but I don't think he's as clutch as this board portrays him to be either.

Everyone talks about his "clutch" performance against the Saints, but on that drive, he completed both passes to Kittle, who did all the work.