Brandon Aiyuk is a 49er! Pick #25, 2020 NFL Draft

Stevie wonder could've drafted a stud wr in this draft. So many future pro bowlers.

Aiyuk is right smack in the middle of em. I can't complain.

Just imagine if Aiyuk had a healthy Jimmy throwing to him all season. He'd be the top rookie in the league running away.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by thl408:
I assume your post is about the play posted vs MIA. I am fairly certain that Aiyuk is the first read on the play should Jimmy choose to look strongside, which he does. Next in the progression is the intermediate jerk route (fake outside, break back inside), then the RB in the flat. So it's a high to low progression.

Presnap, there are no deep safeties. This should alert Jimmy that Aiyuk could be 1v1 on the outside. Postsnap, only 1 safety retreats to a deep zone. From there is becomes a matter of trust whether Jimmy thinks Aiyuk can beat his man. What this play shows is Jimmy thinking that Aiyuk won't beat his man.

We are back to that "trust" thing again....which is a reflection of poor QB play.

That's a terrible take IMO.

Trust is absolutely a thing with QBs and it has nothing to do with poor QB play.

If the QB doesn't trust the WR to be on the same page as him then he's less likely to throw him the ball. Tom Brady is certainly not a poor QB guy and for years he favored the guys he knew would be where he expected them. It's why he typically didn't do well with rookies or young WRs until they proved themselves.

Originally posted by genus49:

That's a terrible take IMO.

Trust is absolutely a thing with QBs and it has nothing to do with poor QB play.

If the QB doesn't trust the WR to be on the same page as him then he's less likely to throw him the ball. Tom Brady is certainly not a poor QB guy and for years he favored the guys he knew would be where he expected them. It's why he typically didn't do well with rookies or young WRs until they proved themselves.

Agree and disagree to a point...a QB should know the read/coverage without question. Like THL stated Aiyuk was the 1st read and the play call was perfect.

Jimmy has to trust himself that he can make that throw. Instead he forces it to Bourne (think that's who it is) imo that's a much more dangerous throw then making an attempt to Aiyuk on the outside.

Yes trust is a factor...seems like he doesn't even trust himself to make that throw though

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Milpitasbob:

Originally posted by Second2Nunley:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
How come many of the posters that incessantly want to compare Javon Kinlaw and DeForest Buckner don't do the same with Brandon Aiyuk and Emmanuel Sanders?

Buckner trade got us Kinlaw and Aiyuk. Still unknown how it will look long term but I like where we're headed with these two.

Remind me how the Buckner trade got us Aiyuk again.

I believe the trade back to 15 from 14 netted us the pick we used to trade up for Ayiuk.

Aiyuk wasn't getting drafted in the flrst he would've still been there in third rd more than likely. The Buckner trade was a fail.

Greenbay was going to get Aiyuk. We had to jump in front of them.

in no way the trade is failing, not this year. we'll see what how the future goes

I have a hard time believing GB had their eyes set on Aiyuk, the 49ers jumped in front, so GB instead got Rodgers' replacement (Love). I think GB had their eyes set on Jordan Love the whole way.

Too much GB/Aiyuk smoke out there..You know what they say about where there's smoke..

Nevermind the smoke. Think of it from GB's perspective on draft day. In your scenario GB wanted Aiyuk to give Rodgers another weapon. 49ers jumped in front to nab Aiyuk. So GB does a complete 180 and plans for Rodgers' replacement. That doesn't make a lot of sense imo.

Why doesn't that make sense though?

These teams make their draft boards and they give them grades. Only so many players get what teams consider first round grades. If Aiyuk was high on their grading system but no other WR was a first round grade or even close why wouldn't they go with Love as they clearly had a first round grade on him?

It was also brought up that Miami was the team the 49ers were most concerned about taking Aiyuk. 49ers moved up ahead of them to take him and the Dolphins traded down.

Regardless of what people want to believe what we KNOW is the 49ers traded up to get Aiyuk. In order to do that they needed the draft pick they gained from moving down from 13, a pick they didn't have without trading Buckner.

So yes, it's safe to say without trading Buckner we don't have Kinlaw and Aiyuk and given what happened we wouldn't even have Aiyuk(though I will admit that's an assumption as we don't know had we stayed at 31 if he would've been there)

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:
That's a terrible take IMO.

Trust is absolutely a thing with QBs and it has nothing to do with poor QB play.

If the QB doesn't trust the WR to be on the same page as him then he's less likely to throw him the ball. Tom Brady is certainly not a poor QB guy and for years he favored the guys he knew would be where he expected them. It's why he typically didn't do well with rookies or young WRs until they proved themselves.

Agree and disagree to a point...a QB should know the read/coverage without question. Like THL stated Aiyuk was the 1st read and the play call was perfect.

Jimmy has to trust himself that he can make that throw. Instead he forces it to Bourne (think that's who it is) imo that's a much more dangerous throw then making an attempt to Aiyuk on the outside.

Yes trust is a factor...seems like he doesn't even trust himself to make that throw though

It's a double edged sword.

If you see 1 on 1 with AJ Jenkins are you throwing him the ball?

Remember when Kap made the claim if he has 1 on 1 with Crabtree he's throwing him the ball no matter what(after he threw the pick to end the NFC Championship game)?

QB has to be able to trust his guy to beat his coverage and take advantage of the 1 on 1 and make the catch. Having the QB throw it up regardless of who he's throwing to and who he's throwing against sometimes leads to bad plays.

But you're right...QB has to be able to trust himself to make that throw but we've seen Jimmy throw it up to Deebo on 4th and short. He's shown that if he trusts a guy to get the ball and trusts the protection he'll make the throw.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:
That's a terrible take IMO.

Trust is absolutely a thing with QBs and it has nothing to do with poor QB play.

If the QB doesn't trust the WR to be on the same page as him then he's less likely to throw him the ball. Tom Brady is certainly not a poor QB guy and for years he favored the guys he knew would be where he expected them. It's why he typically didn't do well with rookies or young WRs until they proved themselves.

Agree and disagree to a point...a QB should know the read/coverage without question. Like THL stated Aiyuk was the 1st read and the play call was perfect.

Jimmy has to trust himself that he can make that throw. Instead he forces it to Bourne (think that's who it is) imo that's a much more dangerous throw then making an attempt to Aiyuk on the outside.

Yes trust is a factor...seems like he doesn't even trust himself to make that throw though

How is Aiyuk confirmed the first read in that mia gif ?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

How is Aiyuk confirmed the first read in that mia gif ?

Ask THL he broke down the play

Originally posted by genus49:

It's a double edged sword.

If you see 1 on 1 with AJ Jenkins are you throwing him the ball?

Remember when Kap made the claim if he has 1 on 1 with Crabtree he's throwing him the ball no matter what(after he threw the pick to end the NFC Championship game)?

QB has to be able to trust his guy to beat his coverage and take advantage of the 1 on 1 and make the catch. Having the QB throw it up regardless of who he's throwing to and who he's throwing against sometimes leads to bad plays.

But you're right...QB has to be able to trust himself to make that throw but we've seen Jimmy throw it up to Deebo on 4th and short. He's shown that if he trusts a guy to get the ball and trusts the protection he'll make the throw.

Who's calling Aiyuk AJ Jenkins? No need to go to extremes there lol. It's not like Jimmy was choosing to instead throw it to Jerry rice...Bourne had a guy all over him.

Aiyuk beats his man has no safety over the top and JG was looking right at him...it's okay to say he messed up on a read. We don't need to make an excuse every single time....Also it's not like Jimmy is the only QB to miss a read. Not the end of the world.

I mean if we want to say it was something other than just a poor read, you could say maybe he just didn't feel confident in throwing that pass on his ankle.

Either way, I think we got a good one in Aiyuk

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
How is Aiyuk confirmed the first read in that mia gif ?

Ask THL he broke down the play

For vertical stretches, reads are 'high to low', or 'low to high'. For horizontal stretches, reads are 'inside to outside', or 'outside to inside'. Reads may change based on the coverage, but when there's one vertical route, that vertical route is going to be the first read or the "alert" (alert is still the first read). Because if it's not the first read, then there's a chance the WR going vertical will outrun the QB's arm.

Let's pretend for a second that Aiyuk is the third read on that play. If that was the case, then the WR would outrun the QB's arm by the time the QB gets to the third read. Reads are built into the route combination. When it's a three level flood concept, rarely is the vertical route anything but the first read.

The idea of the plays below are all similar to the gif in question. There's one vertical route, one intermediate, one shallow in the flat (three levels along the sideline). Notice the vertical is the first read in the progression (high to low).

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:
That's a terrible take IMO.

Trust is absolutely a thing with QBs and it has nothing to do with poor QB play.

If the QB doesn't trust the WR to be on the same page as him then he's less likely to throw him the ball. Tom Brady is certainly not a poor QB guy and for years he favored the guys he knew would be where he expected them. It's why he typically didn't do well with rookies or young WRs until they proved themselves.

Agree and disagree to a point...a QB should know the read/coverage without question. Like THL stated Aiyuk was the 1st read and the play call was perfect.

Jimmy has to trust himself that he can make that throw. Instead he forces it to Bourne (think that's who it is) imo that's a much more dangerous throw then making an attempt to Aiyuk on the outside.

Yes trust is a factor...seems like he doesn't even trust himself to make that throw though

It's a double edged sword.

If you see 1 on 1 with AJ Jenkins are you throwing him the ball?

Remember when Kap made the claim if he has 1 on 1 with Crabtree he's throwing him the ball no matter what(after he threw the pick to end the NFC Championship game)?

QB has to be able to trust his guy to beat his coverage and take advantage of the 1 on 1 and make the catch. Having the QB throw it up regardless of who he's throwing to and who he's throwing against sometimes leads to bad plays.

But you're right...QB has to be able to trust himself to make that throw but we've seen Jimmy throw it up to Deebo on 4th and short. He's shown that if he trusts a guy to get the ball and trusts the protection he'll make the throw.

When I was referring to trust in my original post, I was referring to the kind you described, genus - trust that the WR can beat the CB, not trust that the QB has in his own arm. However, when we factor in Jimmy's possibly gimpy ankle that week, I suppose 'trust in his arm' can be factored in. Anyway, when I said trust, I meant trust that the WR can use athleticism and technique to beat that CB 1v1 in man coverage - so it's about matchups. Kap erroneously trusted that Crabtree coming off an Achilles could beat prime Sherman.

As Aiyuk puts on tape that he indeed can beat CBs in a 1v1 man coverage situation, he will show that he deserves to be targeted in those situations when factoring in the matchup. Can he beat SGilmore/JRamsey in that 1v1 situation? Perhaps not yet. But can he beat a middling CB? He's showing that he can.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
How is Aiyuk confirmed the first read in that mia gif ?

Ask THL he broke down the play

For vertical stretches, reads are 'high to low', or 'low to high'. For horizontal stretches, reads are 'inside to outside', or 'outside to inside'. Reads may change based on the coverage, but when there's one vertical route, that vertical route is going to be the first read or the "alert" (alert is still the first read). Because if it's not the first read, then there's a chance the WR going vertical will outrun the QB's arm.

Let's pretend for a second that Aiyuk is the third read on that play. If that was the case, then the WR would outrun the QB's arm by the time the QB gets to the third read. Reads are built into the route combination. When it's a three level flood concept, rarely is the vertical route anything but the first read.

The idea of the plays below are all similar to the gif in question. There's one vertical route, one intermediate, one shallow in the flat (three levels along the sideline). Notice the vertical is the first read in the progression (high to low).

Thanks.

the read i get.. but i meant to say if it was really an option to go to. Sure he can look towards Aiyuks way, but JGs footwork was not going to allow a throw to go that way. From the start of the drop back to the ending up in that wide stance plant. I don't think he was ever thinking deep.

He needed to keep his feet under him so he can step up into the throw when needed or move in the pocket to extend the play

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:
It's a double edged sword.

If you see 1 on 1 with AJ Jenkins are you throwing him the ball?

Remember when Kap made the claim if he has 1 on 1 with Crabtree he's throwing him the ball no matter what(after he threw the pick to end the NFC Championship game)?

QB has to be able to trust his guy to beat his coverage and take advantage of the 1 on 1 and make the catch. Having the QB throw it up regardless of who he's throwing to and who he's throwing against sometimes leads to bad plays.

But you're right...QB has to be able to trust himself to make that throw but we've seen Jimmy throw it up to Deebo on 4th and short. He's shown that if he trusts a guy to get the ball and trusts the protection he'll make the throw.

Who's calling Aiyuk AJ Jenkins? No need to go to extremes there lol. It's not like Jimmy was choosing to instead throw it to Jerry rice...Bourne had a guy all over him.

Aiyuk beats his man has no safety over the top and JG was looking right at him...it's okay to say he messed up on a read. We don't need to make an excuse every single time....Also it's not like Jimmy is the only QB to miss a read. Not the end of the world.

I mean if we want to say it was something other than just a poor read, you could say maybe he just didn't feel confident in throwing that pass on his ankle.

Jesus man...how did you stretch so far to get that one?

I simply brought up the s**ttiest WR I could think of to show you don't just have QBs throw to 1 on 1 looks regardless who's out there.

I wasn't even talking specifically about Jimmy or Aiyuk, you need to relax on the anti Jimmy sh*t. I think we all understand where you stand.

If you want to talk specifically about that play(which once again wasn't what I was doing) fine...

Not sure how you're getting that Jimmy was looking right at him when Aiyuk actually beat his man. Jimmy obviously made the decision to throw to the guy he's more comfortable with in Bourne and makes an easier throw doing it.

Now if we want a QB who will take the bigger throw that's fine. I agree. But let's not act like Jimmy saw him getting open and didn't throw it. The timing wasn't the way you describe.

Jimmy had a decision whether to trust that Aiyuk can get the separation and trust himself to put the ball where he can get it. He didn't trust one of those things and it's speculation by us which one was the issue. I think we can agree we've seen him make those throws to Kittle or even Bourne before.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Thanks.

the read i get.. but i meant to say if it was really an option to go to. Sure he can look towards Aiyuks way, but JGs footwork was not going to allow a throw to go that way. From the start of the drop back to the ending up in that wide stance plant. I don't think he was ever thinking deep.

He needed to keep his feet under him so he can step up into the throw when needed or move in the pocket to extend the play

I don't know about footwork stuff. I butted in when someone posted a gif of the play of Aiyuk getting open deep vs MIA, then someone else suggested that there was no time to look Aiyuk's way because there was no time to get to the third/fourth read. I butted in and said Aiyuk is the first read of the progression. If you think Jimmy's footwork didn't allow him to throw it to Aiyuk, then that's on Jimmy.