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Brandon Aiyuk is a 49er! Pick #25, 2020 NFL Draft

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  • 9moon
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Originally posted by mayo49:
Why is everyone panicking - Brandon will be fine, he just needs to play.

YUCK can play all he wants but if KS is gonna give him the JUICE treatment for the last 3 years, he'll just be another fine WR " on paper " !!
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Aiyuk has shown the ability to catch those contested balls.

So you want our QBs to throw to a WR that's not getting open consistently because he's shown he can catch a contested ball every once in a while? in college he was actually pretty bad at contested catches for the most part. He also rarely played vs man.

BA isn't Nuk, he's not gonna make his living by playing bully ball. He's gotta get better, I have no idea why you wouldn't want him to be a better route runner?

he's the X he's gotta beat those 1 on 1s that helps everyone on the offense if he can… Jonny talks about this, go look at Adams in GB… you can't line up in man all game with him he will smoke you (we saw this) he's basically helping dictate coverages and demanding help, thus helping all the other receivers.

Who are you and what have you done with NY? Jk.
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Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Aiyuk has shown the ability to catch those contested balls.

So you want our QBs to throw to a WR that's not getting open consistently because he's shown he can catch a contested ball every once in a while? in college he was actually pretty bad at contested catches for the most part. He also rarely played vs man.

BA isn't Nuk, he's not gonna make his living by playing bully ball. He's gotta get better, I have no idea why you wouldn't want him to be a better route runner?

he's the X he's gotta beat those 1 on 1s that helps everyone on the offense if he can… Jonny talks about this, go look at Adams in GB… you can't line up in man all game with him he will smoke you (we saw this) he's basically helping dictate coverages and demanding help, thus helping all the other receivers.

Who are you and what have you done with NY? Jk.

use guys like 81 or some other no name receivers to run the come backs and lazy patterns.. u move up in the draft to take a WR, it's common sense to use him as much as you can until he proves you that he SUCKS.. don't expect him to be JERRY RICE in practice and grade him from there..

of all people, J-LYNCH should know this because he was recruited as a QB who turned out to be a sorry one before he was moved to the SAFETY position..
Originally posted by 9moon:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
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So you want our QBs to throw to a WR that's not getting open consistently because he's shown he can catch a contested ball every once in a while? in college he was actually pretty bad at contested catches for the most part. He also rarely played vs man.

BA isn't Nuk, he's not gonna make his living by playing bully ball. He's gotta get better, I have no idea why you wouldn't want him to be a better route runner?

he's the X he's gotta beat those 1 on 1s that helps everyone on the offense if he can… Jonny talks about this, go look at Adams in GB… you can't line up in man all game with him he will smoke you (we saw this) he's basically helping dictate coverages and demanding help, thus helping all the other receivers.

Who are you and what have you done with NY? Jk.

use guys like 81 or some other no name receivers to run the come backs and lazy patterns.. u move up in the draft to take a WR, it's common sense to use him as much as you can until he proves you that he SUCKS.. don't expect him to be JERRY RICE in practice and grade him from there..

of all people, J-LYNCH should know this because he was recruited as a QB who turned out to be a sorry one before he was moved to the SAFETY position..

Its not just practice. Jerry Rice is a perfect example of the split end. Coverage also dictates opportunities. PHI, for example, played tons of 2 safety.

Does anyone remember when T. Owen's caught 21 passes in Jerry Rice day? Owens talked about it and they showed it on the "a football life" the defense was playing 2 high all game and so as a split end, he(Jerry) was doubled. Owen's benefited by being able to work with the TE and get more matchups based off coverage.

GB, Seattle and ARI, he's not beating his man. Not winning on leverage, not stacking. Just meh.
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Aiyuk has shown the ability to catch those contested balls.

So you want our QBs to throw to a WR that's not getting open consistently because he's shown he can catch a contested ball every once in a while? in college he was actually pretty bad at contested catches for the most part. He also rarely played vs man.

BA isn't Nuk, he's not gonna make his living by playing bully ball. He's gotta get better, I have no idea why you wouldn't want him to be a better route runner?

he's the X he's gotta beat those 1 on 1s that helps everyone on the offense if he can… Jonny talks about this, go look at Adams in GB… you can't line up in man all game with him he will smoke you (we saw this) he's basically helping dictate coverages and demanding help, thus helping all the other receivers.

Who are you and what have you done with NY? Jk.

So, our passing game is not Jimmy's fault, after all. The problem is our WRs can't get separation down the field.



Let's Go Brandon!
4th in the NFL in contested catches. 93.7 passer rating when they target him.

wonder why they keep s**tting on him in the media.
Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:
4th in the NFL in contested catches. 93.7 passer rating when they target him.

wonder why they keep s**tting on him in the media.

I don't understand it. It's a really flawed way to encourage a player. Keep that in house.
Originally posted by hubbyt:
Everyone in the league "has to get better". That BS coach speak doesnt fly with me. Jimmy needs to get better too does that mean he should only attempt 2 passes a game??

I also take issue with this separation argument. Aiyuk showed just last week he can make contested catches. Freakin Sanu has more targets this year than Aiyuk. I am not buying this non sense yal selling....the kid can play and needs more opportunities. But hey lets just keep the offense the way it is with Sanu and Juice getting more touches than Aiyuk and watch how far we go lol.

It's all in the film regardless of what you say…Jonny breaks it all down perfectly yet ya'll don't want to believe it. If you can't get open consistently as a SE in this offense you're not gonna get targets. Sanu is not our SE he's a slot WR. He doesn't have to play man off the LOS like BA does most of the time.
Would Ruggs have been a better fit at the X with his blazing speed?

Methinks yes.

Hope Aiyuk can regain his form from last year.
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Aiyuk has shown the ability to catch those contested balls.

So you want our QBs to throw to a WR that's not getting open consistently because he's shown he can catch a contested ball every once in a while? in college he was actually pretty bad at contested catches for the most part. He also rarely played vs man.

BA isn't Nuk, he's not gonna make his living by playing bully ball. He's gotta get better, I have no idea why you wouldn't want him to be a better route runner?

he's the X he's gotta beat those 1 on 1s that helps everyone on the offense if he can… Jonny talks about this, go look at Adams in GB… you can't line up in man all game with him he will smoke you (we saw this) he's basically helping dictate coverages and demanding help, thus helping all the other receivers.

Who are you and what have you done with NY? Jk.

Lol, I mean you broke it down perfectly and it shows on the film…see I don't disagree with everything you say
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Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Would Ruggs have been a better fit at the X with his blazing speed?

Methinks yes.

Hope Aiyuk can regain his form from last year.

Brandon is fine - the numbers will pick back up for him.
Originally posted by elguapo:
Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:
4th in the NFL in contested catches. 93.7 passer rating when they target him.

wonder why they keep s**tting on him in the media.

I don't understand it. It's a really flawed way to encourage a player. Keep that in house.

They're constantly getting asked they've made up every other reason as to why he's not preforming…end of the day play better. I don't think BA is that soft of a human to where it's this massive deal like people are making it.

go to work BA, run better routes and put in the time to be good…because he can be real good
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by elguapo:
Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:
4th in the NFL in contested catches. 93.7 passer rating when they target him.

wonder why they keep s**tting on him in the media.

I don't understand it. It's a really flawed way to encourage a player. Keep that in house.

They're constantly getting asked they've made up every other reason as to why he's not preforming…end of the day play better. I don't think BA is that soft of a human to where it's this massive deal like people are making it.

go to work BA, run better routes and put in the time to be good…because he can be real good

True but he's still a better option than Sherfield or Benjamin so regardless of the "film" you still put him out there and if he gets open, he gets open. Some players may not be as good as the number 1 wr on the team BUT still are better than the number 3 or 4 wrs. That is absolutely no reason to put those other wrs in instead of Aiyuk. No reason whatsoever. Let's put our less talented wrs on the field and have a worse product offensively that ought a teach him

Thats a bad coaching decision
[ Edited by elguapo on Oct 14, 2021 at 3:08 AM ]
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by hubbyt:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
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But it's Kyle trying to find a scapegoat

Even still thats almost 2 yards. In the NFL thats alot of space. This isnt college. All this digging in the weeds trying to find data sounds good but where are the quick screens and reverses and slants to this guy? Saw a slant vs AZ he was open, Lance was late and HIGH with the pass. Very very often NFL wrs have to make contested catches. Dont give me this separation crap as if WRs are running scott free all day long. Yes, they need to get some separation but it doesnt need to be 5 yards worth ..good gracious

Yeah, but that's average. If we see zone on 50% of the plays there's more, "separation" but not necessarily open. Like, if he's running a post, he might have a safety 4 yards over the top and a LB sitting 4 yards underneath, both in a position to drive on a ball. He has separation but not open and it skews the separation stat up. That tells me vs man, he's getting very, very little separation as the zone looks won't change much. That means he's getting less separation to the extent to pull his entire aggregate down 3 feet. So, very well could be 5 or 6 feet less separation vs man. That's a HUGE dropoff.

We'd have to see some way to quantify separation avg vs man and zone.

I saw an argument and some graphs showing that Aiyuk is not running as big of a route tree as he did his rookie season either. It was on Niner Nation which I sometimes see through Facebook. I understand he has to do a better job of winning the routes he's running. But at the same time maybe they can incorporate some of those routes he hasn't been running this year or find some more creative ways to use him as this writer at Niner Nation suggested. He's still a weapon and while it's on him, and all of the players on offense, to execute better, it's also on Kyle and the coaches to maybe figure out some different ways to do things and utilize the players they have to try to give this offense a kick start.
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