Originally posted by OhioNiner:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by hubbyt:
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Even still thats almost 2 yards. In the NFL thats alot of space. This isnt college. All this digging in the weeds trying to find data sounds good but where are the quick screens and reverses and slants to this guy? Saw a slant vs AZ he was open, Lance was late and HIGH with the pass. Very very often NFL wrs have to make contested catches. Dont give me this separation crap as if WRs are running scott free all day long. Yes, they need to get some separation but it doesnt need to be 5 yards worth ..good gracious
Yeah, but that's average. If we see zone on 50% of the plays there's more, "separation" but not necessarily open. Like, if he's running a post, he might have a safety 4 yards over the top and a LB sitting 4 yards underneath, both in a position to drive on a ball. He has separation but not open and it skews the separation stat up. That tells me vs man, he's getting very, very little separation as the zone looks won't change much. That means he's getting less separation to the extent to pull his entire aggregate down 3 feet. So, very well could be 5 or 6 feet less separation vs man. That's a HUGE dropoff.
We'd have to see some way to quantify separation avg vs man and zone.
I saw an argument and some graphs showing that Aiyuk is not running as big of a route tree as he did his rookie season either. It was on Niner Nation which I sometimes see through Facebook. I understand he has to do a better job of winning the routes he's running. But at the same time maybe they can incorporate some of those routes he hasn't been running this year or find some more creative ways to use him as this writer at Niner Nation suggested. He's still a weapon and while it's on him, and all of the players on offense, to execute better, it's also on Kyle and the coaches to maybe figure out some different ways to do things and utilize the players they have to try to give this offense a kick start.
Exactly!
I asked the question of whether Deebo could play the x position and I was told the result would be the same. Meaning Deebo would struggle at that position also. Deebo has been here longer and is not being asked to consistently beat man coverage. Instead he is being force fed the ball in what seems to me to be the easier role to fill.
So Deebo has been getting all of this recognition for being wr1 in this offense. As far as I know, a number 1 can play any wr position and they usually move around the formation in order to gain an advantage over the defense.
So Aiyuk is being punished and Deebo is being rewarded even though neither player can consistently beat man coverage? Like I said earlier, they drafted two flankers and are now trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.
You combine the wr situation with an injured Kittle, injured rb's and an inconsistent o line and no wonder this offense is struggling.