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Brandon Aiyuk is a 49er! Pick #25, 2020 NFL Draft

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Originally posted by OhioNiner:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by hubbyt:
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Even still thats almost 2 yards. In the NFL thats alot of space. This isnt college. All this digging in the weeds trying to find data sounds good but where are the quick screens and reverses and slants to this guy? Saw a slant vs AZ he was open, Lance was late and HIGH with the pass. Very very often NFL wrs have to make contested catches. Dont give me this separation crap as if WRs are running scott free all day long. Yes, they need to get some separation but it doesnt need to be 5 yards worth ..good gracious

Yeah, but that's average. If we see zone on 50% of the plays there's more, "separation" but not necessarily open. Like, if he's running a post, he might have a safety 4 yards over the top and a LB sitting 4 yards underneath, both in a position to drive on a ball. He has separation but not open and it skews the separation stat up. That tells me vs man, he's getting very, very little separation as the zone looks won't change much. That means he's getting less separation to the extent to pull his entire aggregate down 3 feet. So, very well could be 5 or 6 feet less separation vs man. That's a HUGE dropoff.

We'd have to see some way to quantify separation avg vs man and zone.

I saw an argument and some graphs showing that Aiyuk is not running as big of a route tree as he did his rookie season either. It was on Niner Nation which I sometimes see through Facebook. I understand he has to do a better job of winning the routes he's running. But at the same time maybe they can incorporate some of those routes he hasn't been running this year or find some more creative ways to use him as this writer at Niner Nation suggested. He's still a weapon and while it's on him, and all of the players on offense, to execute better, it's also on Kyle and the coaches to maybe figure out some different ways to do things and utilize the players they have to try to give this offense a kick start.

Exactly!

I asked the question of whether Deebo could play the x position and I was told the result would be the same. Meaning Deebo would struggle at that position also. Deebo has been here longer and is not being asked to consistently beat man coverage. Instead he is being force fed the ball in what seems to me to be the easier role to fill.

So Deebo has been getting all of this recognition for being wr1 in this offense. As far as I know, a number 1 can play any wr position and they usually move around the formation in order to gain an advantage over the defense.

So Aiyuk is being punished and Deebo is being rewarded even though neither player can consistently beat man coverage? Like I said earlier, they drafted two flankers and are now trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

You combine the wr situation with an injured Kittle, injured rb's and an inconsistent o line and no wonder this offense is struggling.
Originally posted by elguapo:
True but he's still a better option than Sherfield or Benjamin so regardless of the "film" you still put him out there and if he gets open, he gets open. Some players may not be as good as the number 1 wr on the team BUT still are better than the number 3 or 4 wrs. That is absolutely no reason to put those other wrs in instead of Aiyuk. No reason whatsoever. Let's put our less talented wrs on the field and have a worse product offensively that ought a teach him

Thats a bad coaching decision

I mean he's playing more snaps then those guys.
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
So, our passing game is not Jimmy's fault, after all. The problem is our WRs can't get separation down the field.




No Jimmy is still avg nothing changes there
Originally posted by OhioNiner:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by hubbyt:
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Even still thats almost 2 yards. In the NFL thats alot of space. This isnt college. All this digging in the weeds trying to find data sounds good but where are the quick screens and reverses and slants to this guy? Saw a slant vs AZ he was open, Lance was late and HIGH with the pass. Very very often NFL wrs have to make contested catches. Dont give me this separation crap as if WRs are running scott free all day long. Yes, they need to get some separation but it doesnt need to be 5 yards worth ..good gracious

Yeah, but that's average. If we see zone on 50% of the plays there's more, "separation" but not necessarily open. Like, if he's running a post, he might have a safety 4 yards over the top and a LB sitting 4 yards underneath, both in a position to drive on a ball. He has separation but not open and it skews the separation stat up. That tells me vs man, he's getting very, very little separation as the zone looks won't change much. That means he's getting less separation to the extent to pull his entire aggregate down 3 feet. So, very well could be 5 or 6 feet less separation vs man. That's a HUGE dropoff.

We'd have to see some way to quantify separation avg vs man and zone.

I saw an argument and some graphs showing that Aiyuk is not running as big of a route tree as he did his rookie season either. It was on Niner Nation which I sometimes see through Facebook. I understand he has to do a better job of winning the routes he's running. But at the same time maybe they can incorporate some of those routes he hasn't been running this year or find some more creative ways to use him as this writer at Niner Nation suggested. He's still a weapon and while it's on him, and all of the players on offense, to execute better, it's also on Kyle and the coaches to maybe figure out some different ways to do things and utilize the players they have to try to give this offense a kick start.

Some of that is lack of run game - we haven't been able to run all the different play-action passes and then their variations this year. When we go straight drop-back passing, like we've had to do a lot more this year, we don't run a lot of deeper, longer developing plays. Our OL isn't built for that, that's not what Kyle wants. When we're dropback passing, it's quick-hitting stuff to get guys the ball in space.
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by OhioNiner:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
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Yeah, but that's average. If we see zone on 50% of the plays there's more, "separation" but not necessarily open. Like, if he's running a post, he might have a safety 4 yards over the top and a LB sitting 4 yards underneath, both in a position to drive on a ball. He has separation but not open and it skews the separation stat up. That tells me vs man, he's getting very, very little separation as the zone looks won't change much. That means he's getting less separation to the extent to pull his entire aggregate down 3 feet. So, very well could be 5 or 6 feet less separation vs man. That's a HUGE dropoff.

We'd have to see some way to quantify separation avg vs man and zone.

I saw an argument and some graphs showing that Aiyuk is not running as big of a route tree as he did his rookie season either. It was on Niner Nation which I sometimes see through Facebook. I understand he has to do a better job of winning the routes he's running. But at the same time maybe they can incorporate some of those routes he hasn't been running this year or find some more creative ways to use him as this writer at Niner Nation suggested. He's still a weapon and while it's on him, and all of the players on offense, to execute better, it's also on Kyle and the coaches to maybe figure out some different ways to do things and utilize the players they have to try to give this offense a kick start.

Exactly!

I asked the question of whether Deebo could play the x position and I was told the result would be the same. Meaning Deebo would struggle at that position also. Deebo has been here longer and is not being asked to consistently beat man coverage. Instead he is being force fed the ball in what seems to me to be the easier role to fill.

So Deebo has been getting all of this recognition for being wr1 in this offense. As far as I know, a number 1 can play any wr position and they usually move around the formation in order to gain an advantage over the defense.

So Aiyuk is being punished and Deebo is being rewarded even though neither player can consistently beat man coverage? Like I said earlier, they drafted two flankers and are now trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

You combine the wr situation with an injured Kittle, injured rb's and an inconsistent o line and no wonder this offense is struggling.

Well, Deebo was drafted to be the Flanker, primarily. When he was drafted we had Pettis coming off a promising rookie year and the plan that off-season was for him to emerge as that split end. Kyle was using Pettis similarly to how we've used Aiyuk, isolated 1v1, double move or even triple move routes to beat man-coverage.

So, since Deebo has been here his role has been in that spot and used in those ways. Aiyuk wasn't drafted to fill a role or share a role with Deebo.

To the last line - exactly. That's what I was saying in the Jimmy thread about how quarterback hasn't been our problem.
So we're blaming everyone but the player for his inability to perform? You all sound like very responsable people
Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
So we're blaming everyone but the player for his inability to perform? You all sound like very responsable people

Even if responsable
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Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
So we're blaming everyone but the player for his inability to perform? You all sound like very responsable people

Refer to every thread on this forum. I'd say it's 70% team/30% players fault for every topic
What is it with these Arizona State receivers? The Patriots drafted N'Keal Harry (6'4" 225lbs) in the first round and he's never panned out. He has 433 yards in 3 seasons. Now the Niners are trying to figure out how to get the most out of Aiyuk.
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
What is it with these Arizona State receivers? The Patriots drafted N'Keal Harry (6'4" 225lbs) in the first round and he's never panned out. He has 433 yards in 3 seasons. Now the Niners are trying to figure out how to get the most out of Aiyuk.

The Kyle Williams curse
Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
What is it with these Arizona State receivers? The Patriots drafted N'Keal Harry (6'4" 225lbs) in the first round and he's never panned out. He has 433 yards in 3 seasons. Now the Niners are trying to figure out how to get the most out of Aiyuk.

The Kyle Williams curse

Don't you put that evil on us!
Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Let's Go Brandon!

Let's Go Brandon!
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Are we approaching "bust" status? You'd expect to see much more from a first round pick.
Originally posted by Sickaa:
Are we approaching "bust" status? You'd expect to see much more from a first round pick.

Sophomore slumps are a thing. He is still capable I just hope Aiyuk gets motivated to power through.
Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
So we're blaming everyone but the player for his inability to perform? You all sound like very responsable people

I'm not taking blame away from Aiyuk. He is obviously not performing up to expectations. However, when you bring in Pettis for the split end position and he doesn't work out. Now you move up to draft a guy in the first round and now he is struggling to play that position. Perhaps some of the blame should be redistributed to those bringing in these players.

Also, if you cannot see what is obvious. That an entire offense is not performing as a cohesive unit. I don't know what to tell you. Deebo is the only standout so far this season so, yes their is plenty of blame to go around.
[ Edited by YACBros85 on Oct 14, 2021 at 9:13 AM ]
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