Brandon Aiyuk is a 49er! Pick #25, 2020 NFL Draft

Talk bust to me after his 3rd year - still way too early, to proclaim anything.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by hubbyt:
Everyone in the league "has to get better". That BS coach speak doesnt fly with me. Jimmy needs to get better too does that mean he should only attempt 2 passes a game??

I also take issue with this separation argument. Aiyuk showed just last week he can make contested catches. Freakin Sanu has more targets this year than Aiyuk. I am not buying this non sense yal selling....the kid can play and needs more opportunities. But hey lets just keep the offense the way it is with Sanu and Juice getting more touches than Aiyuk and watch how far we go lol.

It's all in the film regardless of what you say…Jonny breaks it all down perfectly yet ya'll don't want to believe it. If you can't get open consistently as a SE in this offense you're not gonna get targets. Sanu is not our SE he's a slot WR. He doesn't have to play man off the LOS like BA does most of the time.

I will put it like this. If they cant find a way to use BA better thats their fault and the offense will remain stuck in the mud like it is now. Put him in the slot then. Do something different. Get creative. There is no reason Sanu and Juice should be getting more targets than Aiyuk. And I can tell you this also, tons of WR struggle versus man coverage sometimes. Thats not the end all be all as a WR. Tons of other ways to get a guy going and involved.

LET'S GO, BRANDON!!

Usually, Aiyuk runs the clearing route for Deebo to attack the intermediate. Here, Deebo is running the vertical clearing route, Aiyuk is attacking the intermediate, and Aiyuk still doesn't get targeted. (The ball should go to Aiyuk here)

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Well, Deebo was drafted to be the Flanker, primarily. When he was drafted we had Pettis coming off a promising rookie year and the plan that off-season was for him to emerge as that split end. Kyle was using Pettis similarly to how we've used Aiyuk, isolated 1v1, double move or even triple move routes to beat man-coverage.

So, since Deebo has been here his role has been in that spot and used in those ways. Aiyuk wasn't drafted to fill a role or share a role with Deebo.

To the last line - exactly. That's what I was saying in the Jimmy thread about how quarterback hasn't been our problem.

I get what you're saying but whatever the draft intentions were, now we have deebo and aiyuk, who might be more deebo than the SE the team wants him to be. So now what? Keep "motivating" aiyuk in hopes he becomes that desired SE one day? Or find a way to incorporate him better, even if means taking some of deebo's opportunities? Deebo's yac is great, but BA can be electric too.

how many true split end WR1s are there in the league? How many teams actually have one? Genuinely asking so pardon my football ignorance but if you don't have one, does that automatically limit your offense, no matter what scheme you're running?

Originally posted by bsyde82:
how many true split end WR1s are there in the league? How many teams actually have one? Genuinely asking so pardon my football ignorance but if you don't have one, does that automatically limit your offense, no matter what scheme you're running?

Not having a dominant split end doesn't mean the offense can't function, but having one does present problems for the defense. Anytime an offense goes 3x1 (3WRs to one side, 1 to the other) it creates a problem if the defense feels it can't matchup on the 1v1 side. Do they leave their CB on an island to create a mismatch that favors the offense, or do they provide help which can give the offense a favorable matchup on the 3WR side? Not to mention when it is clearly man coverage, having a WR that the QB can lean on helps a lot. Kyle has been searching for one since he drafted Pettis, as well as the OBJ rumors that have been linked to Kyle.

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
So we're blaming everyone but the player for his inability to perform? You all sound like very responsable people

agreed...he's got the talent just needs to work on his route running. I think he will get there.

Originally posted by hubbyt:
I will put it like this. If they cant find a way to use BA better thats their fault and the offense will remain stuck in the mud like it is now. Put him in the slot then. Do something different. Get creative. There is no reason Sanu and Juice should be getting more targets than Aiyuk. And I can tell you this also, tons of WR struggle versus man coverage sometimes. Thats not the end all be all as a WR. Tons of other ways to get a guy going and involved.

lol so it's not the fault of the player at all for not being able to do his job? It's the coaches fault?

Deebo is the flanker that's what he role was when he was drafted and he's currently crushing it there. They run a ton of 21 personnel, so the slot isn't on the field as much as other teams. You saying they gotta take juice off the field and completely change Kyle's offense because of BA?

Also who's playing Split end f you're tossing him in the slot? Sanu lol? That doesn't help the offense overall. He's not doing s**t out there and pretty much a decoy out there.

BA was drafted to be the X, Kyle even comped him to Isaac Bruce so it's not like he hates him...that's high praise he expect more from him and the fans should too.

If you have to manufacture him targets and scheme him open, who's fault is that? Maybe he's not some stud WR if that's the route you have to go. I mean I still think he has a chance to be good, he's still young and learning. He's got to get better at separating though. That's what he drafted to do in this offense, if he can beat man on those 1 on 1s that opens everything else up and also get's him more targets. I mean go look at the X WR in Kyle's past offenses....they get elite numbers if they do their job right.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by hubbyt:
I will put it like this. If they cant find a way to use BA better thats their fault and the offense will remain stuck in the mud like it is now. Put him in the slot then. Do something different. Get creative. There is no reason Sanu and Juice should be getting more targets than Aiyuk. And I can tell you this also, tons of WR struggle versus man coverage sometimes. Thats not the end all be all as a WR. Tons of other ways to get a guy going and involved.

lol so it's not the fault of the player at all for not being able to do his job? It's the coaches fault?

Deebo is the flanker that's what he role was when he was drafted and he's currently crushing it there. They run a ton of 21 personnel, so the slot isn't on the field as much as other teams. You saying they gotta take juice off the field and completely change Kyle's offense because of BA?

Also who's playing Split end f you're tossing him in the slot? Sanu lol? That doesn't help the offense overall. He's not doing s**t out there and pretty much a decoy out there.

BA was drafted to be the X, Kyle even comped him to Isaac Bruce so it's not like he hates him...that's high praise he expect more from him and the fans should too.

If you have to manufacture him targets and scheme him open, who's fault is that? Maybe he's not some stud WR if that's the route you have to go. I mean I still think he has a chance to be good, he's still young and learning. He's got to get better at separating though. That's what he drafted to do in this offense, if he can beat man on those 1 on 1s that opens everything else up and also get's him more targets. I mean go look at the X WR in Kyle's past offenses....they get elite numbers if they do their job right.

Yes!!! This is the coaches fault right now. So i guess this means we wont have a SE this season at all because BA is the best one we have and they have done nothing really to get him going. Ofcourse the player themself needs to get better and needs to do their job. Youre asking rhetorical questions, but if Aiyuk could never beat man coverage he wouldnt be in the NFL. Lose that argument.

And absolutely yes..if you cant get one of your better playmakers the ball you need to use him another way. Slot, SE, Flanker, whatever the case may be. You put players in positions to succeed..coaching 101

And im not absolving BA, but I also know things can and need to be done to turn him loose by the coaches just like they do for Deebo and Kittle.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
So we're blaming everyone but the player for his inability to perform? You all sound like very responsable people

agreed...he's got the talent just needs to work on his route running. I think he will get there.

Guess he was acting like he'd arrived. Got to stay humble and keep grinding.

Originally posted by thl408:
Usually, Aiyuk runs the clearing route for Deebo to attack the intermediate. Here, Deebo is running the vertical clearing route, Aiyuk is attacking the intermediate, and Aiyuk still doesn't get targeted. (The ball should go to Aiyuk here)

miss by trey, would that one catch quieted this forum though ?

Originally posted by thl408:
Usually, Aiyuk runs the clearing route for Deebo to attack the intermediate. Here, Deebo is running the vertical clearing route, Aiyuk is attacking the intermediate, and Aiyuk still doesn't get targeted. (The ball should go to Aiyuk here)

lol he's young he'll learn

Originally posted by hubbyt:
Yes!!! This is the coaches fault right now. So i guess this means we wont have a SE this season at all because BA is the best one we have and they have done nothing really to get him going. Ofcourse the player themself needs to get better and needs to do their job. Youre asking rhetorical questions, but if Aiyuk could never beat man coverage he wouldnt be in the NFL. Lose that argument.

And absolutely yes..if you cant get one of your better playmakers the ball you need to use him another way. Slot, SE, Flanker, whatever the case may be. You put players in positions to succeed..coaching 101

And im not absolving BA, but I also know things can and need to be done to turn him loose by the coaches just like they do for Deebo and Kittle.

This! Also Sherfield can play outside, he's proven this. There's plenty of starting receivers on teams that can't always get separation versus the corner that they're playing week to week. This argument is so weak that people are making

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
So we're blaming everyone but the player for his inability to perform? You all sound like very responsable people

agreed...he's got the talent just needs to work on his route running. I think he will get there.

Denver's Jeudy is known to be a great route runner, how's he doin ??