Brandon Aiyuk is a 49er! Pick #25, 2020 NFL Draft

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If I had to choose between BA and Deebo. I am choosing the guy who can consistently get open by his route running over a guy who depends heavily on scheme to get open.

Hard to debate that. Aiyuk is our best overall WR. Deebo is a great FOOTBALL PLAYER. There is a difference and I think that's what you're saying. I love deebo but I worry about longevity. Same thing with kittle. When people are that physical every play.. it's fun as hell to watch and effective, but idk how long it'll last.

we are in a great spot skill position wise, though. I hope both stay here and I don't want either traded or leaving. They compliment each other very well and would be difficult to replace

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I know I will catch a lot of flack for this but honestly, I believe CMC has made Deebo obsolete.

I love the Deebo CMC combo. They are unique players and it is good to have two to take the load or if the other is banged up for some games. Guys that can take it to the house from anywhere on the field are more rare than route runners. I feel like we can replace a route runner

Solid route runners are not a dime a dozen and aren't easy to replace as you say. Deebo can't even stay healthy and relies heavily on Kyle's play calling to get him the ball. Deebo the RB was terrible last season outside of a carry or two. In fact without the 51 and 39 yard runs that he had in the 1st half of the 2022 season, he averaged 3.3 YPC. As a receiver, QB's had a 87.1 passer rating when targeting him last season. Deebo also has a 10.5% drop rate. So even when Kyle schemes him open, it is no guarantee he will even catch the ball. Does Deebo have some eye candy highlight reel plays? Yes. But can you rely it on it when you need it most? No. The consistency just hasn't been there.

Idk I see Jerry Judy as a route runner but I would never want him over Deebo. I think Aiyuk is better than jeudy but he's a little overrated here, understandably so.

He doesn't bring the versatility Deebo does. He doesn't make defenses panic when he goes in motion like Deebo does. He can't share the load with CMC. I just think he's more replaceable

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
If I had to choose between BA and Deebo. I am choosing the guy who can consistently get open by his route running over a guy who depends heavily on scheme to get open.

Hard to debate that. Aiyuk is our best overall WR. Deebo is a great FOOTBALL PLAYER. There is a difference and I think that's what you're saying. I love deebo but I worry about longevity. Same thing with kittle. When people are that physical every play.. it's fun as hell to watch and effective, but idk how long it'll last.

we are in a great spot skill position wise, though. I hope both stay here and I don't want either traded or leaving. They compliment each other very well and would be difficult to replace

I know I will catch a lot of flack for this but honestly, I believe CMC has made Deebo obsolete.

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I love the Deebo CMC combo. They are unique players and it is good to have two to take the load or if the other is banged up for some games. Guys that can take it to the house from anywhere on the field are more rare than route runners. I feel like we can replace a route runner

Solid route runners are not a dime a dozen and aren't easy to replace as you say. Deebo can't even stay healthy and relies heavily on Kyle's play calling to get him the ball. Deebo the RB was terrible last season outside of a carry or two. In fact without the 51 and 39 yard runs that he had in the 1st half of the 2022 season, he averaged 3.3 YPC. As a receiver, QB's had a 87.1 passer rating when targeting him last season. Deebo also has a 10.5% drop rate. So even when Kyle schemes him open, it is no guarantee he will even catch the ball. Does Deebo have some eye candy highlight reel plays? Yes. But can you rely it on it when you need it most? No. The consistency just hasn't been there.

Idk I see Jerry Judy as a route runner but I would never want him over Deebo. I think Aiyuk is better than jeudy but he's a little overrated here, understandably so.

He doesn't bring the versatility Deebo does. He doesn't make defenses panic when he goes in motion like Deebo does. He can't share the load with CMC. I just think he's more replaceable

How is he more replaceable when we littetally have Deebo's replacement under contract?

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

If I had to choose between BA and Deebo. I am choosing the guy who can consistently get open by his route running over a guy who depends heavily on scheme to get open.

Hard to debate that. Aiyuk is our best overall WR. Deebo is a great FOOTBALL PLAYER. There is a difference and I think that's what you're saying. I love deebo but I worry about longevity. Same thing with kittle. When people are that physical every play.. it's fun as hell to watch and effective, but idk how long it'll last.

we are in a great spot skill position wise, though. I hope both stay here and I don't want either traded or leaving. They compliment each other very well and would be difficult to replace

I know I will catch a lot of flack for this but honestly, I believe CMC has made Deebo obsolete.

I love the Deebo CMC combo. They are unique players and it is good to have two to take the load or if the other is banged up for some games. Guys that can take it to the house from anywhere on the field are more rare than route runners. I feel like we can replace a route runner

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Solid route runners are not a dime a dozen and aren't easy to replace as you say. Deebo can't even stay healthy and relies heavily on Kyle's play calling to get him the ball. Deebo the RB was terrible last season outside of a carry or two. In fact without the 51 and 39 yard runs that he had in the 1st half of the 2022 season, he averaged 3.3 YPC. As a receiver, QB's had a 87.1 passer rating when targeting him last season. Deebo also has a 10.5% drop rate. So even when Kyle schemes him open, it is no guarantee he will even catch the ball. Does Deebo have some eye candy highlight reel plays? Yes. But can you rely it on it when you need it most? No. The consistency just hasn't been there.

Idk I see Jerry Judy as a route runner but I would never want him over Deebo. I think Aiyuk is better than jeudy but he's a little overrated here, understandably so.

He doesn't bring the versatility Deebo does. He doesn't make defenses panic when he goes in motion like Deebo does. He can't share the load with CMC. I just think he's more replaceable

How is he more replaceable when we littetally have Deebo's replacement under contract?

Because he's not the chess piece Deebo is. He can't assume CMCs role if he goes down either. There are so many good WRs in the NFL. There aren't a lot of Deebos and CMCs. We will find another good WR before we find another Deebo

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
If I had to choose between BA and Deebo. I am choosing the guy who can consistently get open by his route running over a guy who depends heavily on scheme to get open.

Hard to debate that. Aiyuk is our best overall WR. Deebo is a great FOOTBALL PLAYER. There is a difference and I think that's what you're saying. I love deebo but I worry about longevity. Same thing with kittle. When people are that physical every play.. it's fun as hell to watch and effective, but idk how long it'll last.

we are in a great spot skill position wise, though. I hope both stay here and I don't want either traded or leaving. They compliment each other very well and would be difficult to replace

I know I will catch a lot of flack for this but honestly, I believe CMC has made Deebo obsolete.

I love the Deebo CMC combo. They are unique players and it is good to have two to take the load or if the other is banged up for some games. Guys that can take it to the house from anywhere on the field are more rare than route runners. I feel like we can replace a route runner

Solid route runners are not a dime a dozen and aren't easy to replace as you say. Deebo can't even stay healthy and relies heavily on Kyle's play calling to get him the ball. Deebo the RB was terrible last season outside of a carry or two. In fact without the 51 and 39 yard runs that he had in the 1st half of the 2022 season, he averaged 3.3 YPC. As a receiver, QB's had a 87.1 passer rating when targeting him last season. Deebo also has a 10.5% drop rate. So even when Kyle schemes him open, it is no guarantee he will even catch the ball. Does Deebo have some eye candy highlight reel plays? Yes. But can you rely it on it when you need it most? No. The consistency just hasn't been there.

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Idk I see Jerry Judy as a route runner but I would never want him over Deebo. I think Aiyuk is better than jeudy but he's a little overrated here, understandably so.

He doesn't bring the versatility Deebo does. He doesn't make defenses panic when he goes in motion like Deebo does. He can't share the load with CMC. I just think he's more replaceable

How is he more replaceable when we littetally have Deebo's replacement under contract?

Because he's not the chess piece Deebo is. He can't assume CMCs role if he goes down either. There are so many good WRs in the NFL. There aren't a lot of Deebos and CMCs. We will find another good WR before we find another Deebo

Chess piece? Deebo was a chess piece in 2021 but Deebo the chess piece was figured out in 2022 outside of a few scattered plays throughout the season. Offense didn't miss a beat when Deebo went down last season. Deebo cannot stay healthy and he is unreliable when he is on the field. His drop rate and passer rating when targeted demostrate that. Talk about a few highlight reel plays to skew the reality of things.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

If I had to choose between BA and Deebo. I am choosing the guy who can consistently get open by his route running over a guy who depends heavily on scheme to get open.

Hard to debate that. Aiyuk is our best overall WR. Deebo is a great FOOTBALL PLAYER. There is a difference and I think that's what you're saying. I love deebo but I worry about longevity. Same thing with kittle. When people are that physical every play.. it's fun as hell to watch and effective, but idk how long it'll last.

we are in a great spot skill position wise, though. I hope both stay here and I don't want either traded or leaving. They compliment each other very well and would be difficult to replace

I know I will catch a lot of flack for this but honestly, I believe CMC has made Deebo obsolete.

I love the Deebo CMC combo. They are unique players and it is good to have two to take the load or if the other is banged up for some games. Guys that can take it to the house from anywhere on the field are more rare than route runners. I feel like we can replace a route runner

Solid route runners are not a dime a dozen and aren't easy to replace as you say. Deebo can't even stay healthy and relies heavily on Kyle's play calling to get him the ball. Deebo the RB was terrible last season outside of a carry or two. In fact without the 51 and 39 yard runs that he had in the 1st half of the 2022 season, he averaged 3.3 YPC. As a receiver, QB's had a 87.1 passer rating when targeting him last season. Deebo also has a 10.5% drop rate. So even when Kyle schemes him open, it is no guarantee he will even catch the ball. Does Deebo have some eye candy highlight reel plays? Yes. But can you rely it on it when you need it most? No. The consistency just hasn't been there.

Idk I see Jerry Judy as a route runner but I would never want him over Deebo. I think Aiyuk is better than jeudy but he's a little overrated here, understandably so.

He doesn't bring the versatility Deebo does. He doesn't make defenses panic when he goes in motion like Deebo does. He can't share the load with CMC. I just think he's more replaceable

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How is he more replaceable when we littetally have Deebo's replacement under contract?

Because he's not the chess piece Deebo is. He can't assume CMCs role if he goes down either. There are so many good WRs in the NFL. There aren't a lot of Deebos and CMCs. We will find another good WR before we find another Deebo

Chess piece? Deebo was a chess piece in 2021 but Deebo the chess piece was figured out in 2022 outside of a few scattered plays throughout the season. Offense didn't miss a beat when Deebo went down last season. Deebo cannot stay healthy and he is unreliable when he is on the field. His drop rate and passer rating when targeted demostrate that. Talk about a few highlight reel plays to skew the reality of things.

I don't trust CMC to carry the load another season like that. I think we will need Deebo. You obviously think he suck's after last year, I don't. We disagree, it's okay.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
If I had to choose between BA and Deebo. I am choosing the guy who can consistently get open by his route running over a guy who depends heavily on scheme to get open.

Hard to debate that. Aiyuk is our best overall WR. Deebo is a great FOOTBALL PLAYER. There is a difference and I think that's what you're saying. I love deebo but I worry about longevity. Same thing with kittle. When people are that physical every play.. it's fun as hell to watch and effective, but idk how long it'll last.

we are in a great spot skill position wise, though. I hope both stay here and I don't want either traded or leaving. They compliment each other very well and would be difficult to replace

I know I will catch a lot of flack for this but honestly, I believe CMC has made Deebo obsolete.

I love the Deebo CMC combo. They are unique players and it is good to have two to take the load or if the other is banged up for some games. Guys that can take it to the house from anywhere on the field are more rare than route runners. I feel like we can replace a route runner

Solid route runners are not a dime a dozen and aren't easy to replace as you say. Deebo can't even stay healthy and relies heavily on Kyle's play calling to get him the ball. Deebo the RB was terrible last season outside of a carry or two. In fact without the 51 and 39 yard runs that he had in the 1st half of the 2022 season, he averaged 3.3 YPC. As a receiver, QB's had a 87.1 passer rating when targeting him last season. Deebo also has a 10.5% drop rate. So even when Kyle schemes him open, it is no guarantee he will even catch the ball. Does Deebo have some eye candy highlight reel plays? Yes. But can you rely it on it when you need it most? No. The consistency just hasn't been there.

Idk I see Jerry Judy as a route runner but I would never want him over Deebo. I think Aiyuk is better than jeudy but he's a little overrated here, understandably so.

He doesn't bring the versatility Deebo does. He doesn't make defenses panic when he goes in motion like Deebo does. He can't share the load with CMC. I just think he's more replaceable

How is he more replaceable when we littetally have Deebo's replacement under contract?

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Because he's not the chess piece Deebo is. He can't assume CMCs role if he goes down either. There are so many good WRs in the NFL. There aren't a lot of Deebos and CMCs. We will find another good WR before we find another Deebo

Chess piece? Deebo was a chess piece in 2021 but Deebo the chess piece was figured out in 2022 outside of a few scattered plays throughout the season. Offense didn't miss a beat when Deebo went down last season. Deebo cannot stay healthy and he is unreliable when he is on the field. His drop rate and passer rating when targeted demostrate that. Talk about a few highlight reel plays to skew the reality of things.

I don't trust CMC to carry the load another season like that. I think we will need Deebo. You obviously think he suck's after last year, I don't. We disagree, it's okay.

If it was okay to disagree, you wouldn't have quoted me and started this debate in the first place.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

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Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

If I had to choose between BA and Deebo. I am choosing the guy who can consistently get open by his route running over a guy who depends heavily on scheme to get open.

Hard to debate that. Aiyuk is our best overall WR. Deebo is a great FOOTBALL PLAYER. There is a difference and I think that's what you're saying. I love deebo but I worry about longevity. Same thing with kittle. When people are that physical every play.. it's fun as hell to watch and effective, but idk how long it'll last.

we are in a great spot skill position wise, though. I hope both stay here and I don't want either traded or leaving. They compliment each other very well and would be difficult to replace

I know I will catch a lot of flack for this but honestly, I believe CMC has made Deebo obsolete.

I love the Deebo CMC combo. They are unique players and it is good to have two to take the load or if the other is banged up for some games. Guys that can take it to the house from anywhere on the field are more rare than route runners. I feel like we can replace a route runner

Solid route runners are not a dime a dozen and aren't easy to replace as you say. Deebo can't even stay healthy and relies heavily on Kyle's play calling to get him the ball. Deebo the RB was terrible last season outside of a carry or two. In fact without the 51 and 39 yard runs that he had in the 1st half of the 2022 season, he averaged 3.3 YPC. As a receiver, QB's had a 87.1 passer rating when targeting him last season. Deebo also has a 10.5% drop rate. So even when Kyle schemes him open, it is no guarantee he will even catch the ball. Does Deebo have some eye candy highlight reel plays? Yes. But can you rely it on it when you need it most? No. The consistency just hasn't been there.

Idk I see Jerry Judy as a route runner but I would never want him over Deebo. I think Aiyuk is better than jeudy but he's a little overrated here, understandably so.

He doesn't bring the versatility Deebo does. He doesn't make defenses panic when he goes in motion like Deebo does. He can't share the load with CMC. I just think he's more replaceable

How is he more replaceable when we littetally have Deebo's replacement under contract?

Because he's not the chess piece Deebo is. He can't assume CMCs role if he goes down either. There are so many good WRs in the NFL. There aren't a lot of Deebos and CMCs. We will find another good WR before we find another Deebo

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Chess piece? Deebo was a chess piece in 2021 but Deebo the chess piece was figured out in 2022 outside of a few scattered plays throughout the season. Offense didn't miss a beat when Deebo went down last season. Deebo cannot stay healthy and he is unreliable when he is on the field. His drop rate and passer rating when targeted demostrate that. Talk about a few highlight reel plays to skew the reality of things.

I don't trust CMC to carry the load another season like that. I think we will need Deebo. You obviously think he suck's after last year, I don't. We disagree, it's okay.

If it was okay to disagree, you wouldn't have quoted me and started this debate in the first place.

I gave my thoughts on the situation and we continue to disagree. It is okay

Is Aiyuk a big name to Niner fans only? Other teams fear Deebo, not Aiyuk. He's a current JJ Stokes.

Originally posted by ChuckLeavy32:
Is Aiyuk a big name to Niner fans only? Other teams fear Deebo, not Aiyuk. He's a current JJ Stokes.

Come on now. Statistically Aiyuk's worst year was better than Stokes' best. As receivers, blockers, and general players they're not even in the same category.

Originally posted by ChuckLeavy32:
Is Aiyuk a big name to Niner fans only? Other teams fear Deebo, not Aiyuk. He's a current JJ Stokes.

He'd have more name recognition across other team's fanbases if he was in a pass heavy offense, but he's still overrated here.

He's pretty much good at everything, but arguably not great at anything. I think he's a mid to lower end #1 receiver type, and a great #2.

Originally posted by Disp:

Originally posted by ChuckLeavy32:
Is Aiyuk a big name to Niner fans only? Other teams fear Deebo, not Aiyuk. He's a current JJ Stokes.

Come on now. Statistically Aiyuk's worst year was better than Stokes' best. As receivers, blockers, and general players they're not even in the same category.

Johnathan Taylor?

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

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Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
If I had to choose between BA and Deebo. I am choosing the guy who can consistently get open by his route running over a guy who depends heavily on scheme to get open.

Hard to debate that. Aiyuk is our best overall WR. Deebo is a great FOOTBALL PLAYER. There is a difference and I think that's what you're saying. I love deebo but I worry about longevity. Same thing with kittle. When people are that physical every play.. it's fun as hell to watch and effective, but idk how long it'll last.

we are in a great spot skill position wise, though. I hope both stay here and I don't want either traded or leaving. They compliment each other very well and would be difficult to replace

I know I will catch a lot of flack for this but honestly, I believe CMC has made Deebo obsolete.

I love the Deebo CMC combo. They are unique players and it is good to have two to take the load or if the other is banged up for some games. Guys that can take it to the house from anywhere on the field are more rare than route runners. I feel like we can replace a route runner

Solid route runners are not a dime a dozen and aren't easy to replace as you say. Deebo can't even stay healthy and relies heavily on Kyle's play calling to get him the ball. Deebo the RB was terrible last season outside of a carry or two. In fact without the 51 and 39 yard runs that he had in the 1st half of the 2022 season, he averaged 3.3 YPC. As a receiver, QB's had a 87.1 passer rating when targeting him last season. Deebo also has a 10.5% drop rate. So even when Kyle schemes him open, it is no guarantee he will even catch the ball. Does Deebo have some eye candy highlight reel plays? Yes. But can you rely it on it when you need it most? No. The consistency just hasn't been there.

Idk I see Jerry Judy as a route runner but I would never want him over Deebo. I think Aiyuk is better than jeudy but he's a little overrated here, understandably so.

He doesn't bring the versatility Deebo does. He doesn't make defenses panic when he goes in motion like Deebo does. He can't share the load with CMC. I just think he's more replaceable

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How is he more replaceable when we littetally have Deebo's replacement under contract?

Because he's not the chess piece Deebo is. He can't assume CMCs role if he goes down either. There are so many good WRs in the NFL. There aren't a lot of Deebos and CMCs. We will find another good WR before we find another Deebo

Chess piece? Deebo was a chess piece in 2021 but Deebo the chess piece was figured out in 2022 outside of a few scattered plays throughout the season. Offense didn't miss a beat when Deebo went down last season. Deebo cannot stay healthy and he is unreliable when he is on the field. His drop rate and passer rating when targeted demostrate that. Talk about a few highlight reel plays to skew the reality of things.

If you want to argue that its easier to contain Deebo or that he's 1b to CMC's 1a, that's fair. But its far from over for him. Kyle will have to go back to using Deebo consistently as a receiver which he can do at a high level. It likely won't be as elite as the 2021 regular season, but he is a big game player. I think he can be dangerous with less focus on him (due to CMC). You draft a possible replacement in 2024 and 2025 and be prepared to go forward long-term with CMC (who they can use less as a runner and more as a receiver to reduce wear and tear) and Aiyuk, who is far more consistent and frankly a better receiver.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by ChuckLeavy32:
Is Aiyuk a big name to Niner fans only? Other teams fear Deebo, not Aiyuk. He's a current JJ Stokes.

He'd have more name recognition across other team's fanbases if he was in a pass heavy offense, but he's still overrated here.

He's pretty much good at everything, but arguably not great at anything. I think he's a mid to lower end #1 receiver type, and a great #2.

He's a top 3 49ers receiver from the past 2 decades. I don't think people around her overrate him when you look at the receiver talent we've had since TO was traded. Outside of Deebo, the only better receiver we've had was a 45 year old Anquan Boldin.

Originally posted by Disp:
He's a top 3 49ers receiver from the past 2 decades. I don't think people around her overrate him when you look at the receiver talent we've had since TO was traded. Outside of Deebo, the only better receiver we've had was a 45 year old Anquan Boldin.

I don't totally disagree with that, and I really like Aiyuk as well. I honestly am not sure I'd put him much higher than Crabtree, who also suffered production-wise by limited QB play in a run heavy offense.

Either way, I would try to make judgements independent of our wide receiver failures over multiple regimes. If we had to lose Aiyuk, I would trust our current FO to find a competent replacement. I can't say I'd want to pay him like a top WR, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

Originally posted by ChuckLeavy32:
Is Aiyuk a big name to Niner fans only? Other teams fear Deebo, not Aiyuk. He's a current JJ Stokes.

he carves em up with his route running, puts DBs on their backside plus he's a DOG

JJ couldn't separate for bleep that was his issue, he was stiff