Brandon Aiyuk is a 49er! Pick #25, 2020 NFL Draft

Originally posted by Joecool:
I think a 4.5 and a 4.4 are the same thing relative to actual effectiveness on the field. Olympic tracks stars can run a tenth or two tenths of a second on different days or different heats.

We make too much a big deal on 40 times. TE's that run 4.6 catch a ball on stride and in space can take it to the house. Watching the tape on Aiyuk, he is extremely fluid and explosive with the ball in his hands.

someone who has legit 4.4 flat speed is NOT the same as someone who has legit 4.5 speed. It's just not.

guys who have legit 4.4 speed (I'm talking 4.4 flat not 4.49) are guys like Sanders/Lockett/OBJ/Torrey Smith...that's 87th percentile type speed. You can see that type of speed with Aiyuk on film. The explosive measurables back it up as well (40" vert/128" broad Jump).

Guys who are legit 4.5 speed (I'm talking 4.5 flat) are guys like Colston/Golladay/Bowe which is in the 55th percentile at WR.

Film shows plenty of speed, faster than his 40x suggests.

40 times in shorts arent as important as running with pads and a football in his hands. dude is a flat out burner when he gets the ball.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
agree. 4.4 or 4.5 is the same thing basically. it comes down to your technique during the 40 yard dash. It's not like a WR starts his stance with his hand in the ground then starts running lol. 4.3 is where you really see a difference in speed though.

a 4.4 and a 4.5 are not the same thing lol.

Ayiuk's 40 time put him in the 55th percentile, a 4.4 flat puts you in the 87th percentile among NFL WRs.

If you're gonna bring up technique and how to properly run a 40, then we shouldn't be talking about a football players 40 time to begin with

It's clear that a core injury hurt his 40 time. He's fast.

Would like to know what he runs now that he's healthy. I think he's a 4.3 guy.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
agree. 4.4 or 4.5 is the same thing basically. it comes down to your technique during the 40 yard dash. It's not like a WR starts his stance with his hand in the ground then starts running lol. 4.3 is where you really see a difference in speed though.

a 4.4 and a 4.5 are not the same thing lol.

Ayiuk's 40 time put him in the 55th percentile, a 4.4 flat puts you in the 87th percentile among NFL WRs.

If you're gonna bring up technique and how to properly run a 40, then we shouldn't be talking about a football players 40 time to begin with

It's clear that a core injury hurt his 40 time. He's fast.

Would like to know what he runs now that he's healthy. I think he's a 4.3 guy.

It's nice to have the combine numbers to make projections based on others but it is what it is.

OBJ is one of the best deep ball guys in the NFL when healthy. He ran 4.43 healthy. Aiyuk ran 4.5 with a core injury(and 7 lbs heavier). Can't say they're the same speed given the discrepancy there as we can't say 100% Aiyuk matches or tops OBJ had he been healthy and then there's game speed.

On tape Aiyuk is fast enough. We'll see how he does but if Kyle likes what he sees, I'm good with it. And if he comes anywhere close to Odell's production minus the headaches...we've got ourselves a steal.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
agree. 4.4 or 4.5 is the same thing basically. it comes down to your technique during the 40 yard dash. It's not like a WR starts his stance with his hand in the ground then starts running lol. 4.3 is where you really see a difference in speed though.

a 4.4 and a 4.5 are not the same thing lol.

Ayiuk's 40 time put him in the 55th percentile, a 4.4 flat puts you in the 87th percentile among NFL WRs.

If you're gonna bring up technique and how to properly run a 40, then we shouldn't be talking about a football players 40 time to begin with

It's clear that a core injury hurt his 40 time. He's fast.

Would like to know what he runs now that he's healthy. I think he's a 4.3 guy.

It's nice to have the combine numbers to make projections based on others but it is what it is.

OBJ is one of the best deep ball guys in the NFL when healthy. He ran 4.43 healthy. Aiyuk ran 4.5 with a core injury(and 7 lbs heavier). Can't say they're the same speed given the discrepancy there as we can't say 100% Aiyuk matches or tops OBJ had he been healthy and then there's game speed.

On tape Aiyuk is fast enough. We'll see how he does but if Kyle likes what he sees, I'm good with it. And if he comes anywhere close to Odell's production minus the headaches...we've got ourselves a steal.

He's got the speed - I'm not worried about that, I think he'll match OBJ's production, no doubt.

Originally posted by genus49:
It's nice to have the combine numbers to make projections based on others but it is what it is.

OBJ is one of the best deep ball guys in the NFL when healthy. He ran 4.43 healthy. Aiyuk ran 4.5 with a core injury(and 7 lbs heavier). Can't say they're the same speed given the discrepancy there as we can't say 100% Aiyuk matches or tops OBJ had he been healthy and then there's game speed.

On tape Aiyuk is fast enough. We'll see how he does but if Kyle likes what he sees, I'm good with it. And if he comes anywhere close to Odell's production minus the headaches...we've got ourselves a steal.

Just going off the numbers/film it wouldn't shock me if Aiyuk was more explosive then OBJ. I think we can all agree the core injury hurt his 40 a little. His other measurables are higher than OBJs (better Vert/Broad) they had the same 10 yard split as well (which Aiyuk could probably be a little better at when healthy).

I wish he would have done the 3-cone/shuttle, just so we could see the change of direction/quick feet. OBJ is a stud there. Brandon seems like a very fluid WR as well though.

I think he's got OBJ upside. My realistic comp is DJ Moore though. I'd say they're pretty identical as far as athletic traits and route-running go...both are YAC guys too.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

agree. 4.4 or 4.5 is the same thing basically. it comes down to your technique during the 40 yard dash. It's not like a WR starts his stance with his hand in the ground then starts running lol. 4.3 is where you really see a difference in speed though.

a 4.4 and a 4.5 are not the same thing lol.

Ayiuk's 40 time put him in the 55th percentile, a 4.4 flat puts you in the 87th percentile among NFL WRs.

If you're gonna bring up technique and how to properly run a 40, then we shouldn't be talking about a football players 40 time to begin with

It's clear that a core injury hurt his 40 time. He's fast.

Would like to know what he runs now that he's healthy. I think he's a 4.3 guy.

It's nice to have the combine numbers to make projections based on others but it is what it is.

OBJ is one of the best deep ball guys in the NFL when healthy. He ran 4.43 healthy. Aiyuk ran 4.5 with a core injury(and 7 lbs heavier). Can't say they're the same speed given the discrepancy there as we can't say 100% Aiyuk matches or tops OBJ had he been healthy and then there's game speed.

On tape Aiyuk is fast enough. We'll see how he does but if Kyle likes what he sees, I'm good with it. And if he comes anywhere close to Odell's production minus the headaches...we've got ourselves a steal.

He's got the speed - I'm not worried about that, I think he'll match OBJ's production, no doubt.

You talking current OBJ production right? Cause first couple seasons OBJ production was NFL history good, highly doubt he matches that. In fact I guarantee he won't match that lol.

Originally posted by Joecool:
I think a 4.5 and a 4.4 are the same thing relative to actual effectiveness on the field. Olympic tracks stars can run a tenth or two tenths of a second on different days or different heats.

We make too much a big deal on 40 times. TE's that run 4.6 catch a ball on stride and in space can take it to the house. Watching the tape on Aiyuk, he is extremely fluid and explosive with the ball in his hands.

Most certainly. Keep in mind this mini-convo all started with a poster making a distinction between a kid running a 4.50 and in the low 4.4s (like a 4.44),....not 4.4 flat as is being said now. 6/100th's of a second is really, really pushing it. Lol the guy could change cleats and easily run in the low 4.4s after a douse of Gatorade, in all likelihood.

And we aren't discussing "legit 4.4 guys" or "legit 4.5 guys",...we're literally talking about 2 runs on 1 day @ a combine. Context means everything,...let's not try to change it mid-sentence.

One more important thing,.... none of this stuff is happening in full gear,....yet people are suggesting these minuscule time differences certainly show up on the field. NOT!! Football gear is heavier and more uncomfortable than a few on here seem to believe. Some people run like they were born with it on them,...others, not so much.

Posts like these are worthwhile because people really do get carried away with the time hyperbole.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
agree. 4.4 or 4.5 is the same thing basically. it comes down to your technique during the 40 yard dash. It's not like a WR starts his stance with his hand in the ground then starts running lol. 4.3 is where you really see a difference in speed though.

a 4.4 and a 4.5 are not the same thing lol.

Ayiuk's 40 time put him in the 55th percentile, a 4.4 flat puts you in the 87th percentile among NFL WRs.

If you're gonna bring up technique and how to properly run a 40, then we shouldn't be talking about a football players 40 time to begin with

It's clear that a core injury hurt his 40 time. He's fast.

Would like to know what he runs now that he's healthy. I think he's a 4.3 guy.

It's nice to have the combine numbers to make projections based on others but it is what it is.

OBJ is one of the best deep ball guys in the NFL when healthy. He ran 4.43 healthy. Aiyuk ran 4.5 with a core injury(and 7 lbs heavier). Can't say they're the same speed given the discrepancy there as we can't say 100% Aiyuk matches or tops OBJ had he been healthy and then there's game speed.

On tape Aiyuk is fast enough. We'll see how he does but if Kyle likes what he sees, I'm good with it. And if he comes anywhere close to Odell's production minus the headaches...we've got ourselves a steal.

He's got the speed - I'm not worried about that, I think he'll match OBJ's production, no doubt.

You talking current OBJ production right? Cause first couple seasons OBJ production was NFL history good, highly doubt he matches that. In fact I guarantee he won't match that lol.

even if hes as good as OBJ early on of course he wont match those numbers. Kyle likes to run the ball and his system wont be easy to get right off the bat

This loser.

Originally posted by pdizo916:

This loser.

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FWIW,...Ruggs vs. Ross is a good simulcam to watch to get just how small the difference is between what a 4.44 and 4.50 would be.

One is ahead of the other towards the end but they're almost side-by-side.

Originally posted by pdizo916:
This loser.

Don't be so hard on yourself...

Originally posted by pdizo916:

This loser.

Originally posted by pdizo916:

This loser.

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
agree. 4.4 or 4.5 is the same thing basically. it comes down to your technique during the 40 yard dash. It's not like a WR starts his stance with his hand in the ground then starts running lol. 4.3 is where you really see a difference in speed though.

a 4.4 and a 4.5 are not the same thing lol.

Ayiuk's 40 time put him in the 55th percentile, a 4.4 flat puts you in the 87th percentile among NFL WRs.

If you're gonna bring up technique and how to properly run a 40, then we shouldn't be talking about a football players 40 time to begin with

It's clear that a core injury hurt his 40 time. He's fast.

Would like to know what he runs now that he's healthy. I think he's a 4.3 guy.

It's nice to have the combine numbers to make projections based on others but it is what it is.

OBJ is one of the best deep ball guys in the NFL when healthy. He ran 4.43 healthy. Aiyuk ran 4.5 with a core injury(and 7 lbs heavier). Can't say they're the same speed given the discrepancy there as we can't say 100% Aiyuk matches or tops OBJ had he been healthy and then there's game speed.

On tape Aiyuk is fast enough. We'll see how he does but if Kyle likes what he sees, I'm good with it. And if he comes anywhere close to Odell's production minus the headaches...we've got ourselves a steal.

He's got the speed - I'm not worried about that, I think he'll match OBJ's production, no doubt.

You talking current OBJ production right? Cause first couple seasons OBJ production was NFL history good, highly doubt he matches that. In fact I guarantee he won't match that lol.

even if hes as good as OBJ early on of course he wont match those numbers. Kyle likes to run the ball and his system wont be easy to get right off the bat

Yeah, your probably right. He simply won't get enough balls thrown his way. I guess there goes the ROY award.