Brandon Aiyuk is a 49er! Pick #25, 2020 NFL Draft

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

I need some god damn core muscle repair news

Alright miracle whip calm down

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by da209:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
I need some god damn core muscle repair news

He posted some video on his ig. He was doing core workouts. Looked good to me.

It better not be an issue.

I really can't wait to see Jimmy throw him a deep ball if he really is a 4.3 guy. I'm wondering if Aiyuk's speed was a factor in the Goodwin trade.

Speed/Burst – Aiyuk is a burner. He is a legitimate contender to run a 4.3 40-time and is capable of blowing past defenders in a flash. He will routinely force soft coverage as defenders attempt to prevent him from getting behind them. Recruiting Analytics measured Aiyuk reaching a top speed of 20.9 mph on one touchdown reception against Oregon in 2019.
https://www.sportsmediapass.com/2020/02/13/2020-nfl-draft-scouting-report-arizona-states-brandon-aiyuk/

I can't wait either - I think he can run a 4.3, if he's healthy.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by da209:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
I need some god damn core muscle repair news

He posted some video on his ig. He was doing core workouts. Looked good to me.

It better not be an issue.

I really can't wait to see Jimmy throw him a deep ball if he really is a 4.3 guy. I'm wondering if Aiyuk's speed was a factor in the Goodwin trade.

Speed/Burst – Aiyuk is a burner. He is a legitimate contender to run a 4.3 40-time and is capable of blowing past defenders in a flash. He will routinely force soft coverage as defenders attempt to prevent him from getting behind them. Recruiting Analytics measured Aiyuk reaching a top speed of 20.9 mph on one touchdown reception against Oregon in 2019.
https://www.sportsmediapass.com/2020/02/13/2020-nfl-draft-scouting-report-arizona-states-brandon-aiyuk/

I can't wait either - I think he can run a 4.3, if he's healthy.

IF Kyle has found his Julio Jones 2.0, watch out!

Originally posted by okdkid:
He was always WR1 in this draft. Elite separation. Elite off the line. Elite speed.

Glad people are waking up.

Nah he wasn't WR1, good WR prospect that can be very good if everything clicks.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by da209:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

I need some god damn core muscle repair news

He posted some video on his ig. He was doing core workouts. Looked good to me.

It better not be an issue.

I really can't wait to see Jimmy throw him a deep ball if he really is a 4.3 guy. I'm wondering if Aiyuk's speed was a factor in the Goodwin trade.

Speed/Burst – Aiyuk is a burner. He is a legitimate contender to run a 4.3 40-time and is capable of blowing past defenders in a flash. He will routinely force soft coverage as defenders attempt to prevent him from getting behind them. Recruiting Analytics measured Aiyuk reaching a top speed of 20.9 mph on one touchdown reception against Oregon in 2019.
https://www.sportsmediapass.com/2020/02/13/2020-nfl-draft-scouting-report-arizona-states-brandon-aiyuk/

I can't wait either - I think he can run a 4.3, if he's healthy.

IF Kyle has found his Julio Jones 2.0, watch out!

Lamb went to Dallas. Sorry.

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

My concern with Shanahan sometimes is that I think he focuses too much on schematic fit on offense. You need guys that can go beyond the scheme so that in the case that a team finds a way to beat your concepts, your guys can still line up and simply win the one on one battle through their sheer edge in talent/natural abilities. Too big, too fast, too quick, too strong, and/or too smart for the opponent.

Kittle is one of those guys. Can Aiyuk be that guy in some way? We'll see. If he can consistently use that elite wingspan to his advantage, he certainly could. My hope is that Hurd and maybe even Jennings can also be players like that at WR. Hurd and Jennings both have the size and raw strength to be considered open even when covered.

Ultimately, while I know Shanahan's offense should rarely struggle to move the ball, I just don't want teams to be able to clamp down on short-to-intermediate "designed for RAC" stuff. Our offense could truly be a dominant and balanced force if guys like Aiyuk, Hurd, and Jennings pan out, paired with Deebo and Kittle.

Tell that to Belichick.

I think even Belicheck hasn't gotten by on scheme alone on offense or defense. He has had one of the greatest QBs in NFL History leading the offense for roughly two decades. He's had one of the greatest TEs and slot receivers in Gronk and Wes Welker. He's had and still has Julian Edelman. He has had, more often than not, one of the best OLs in the game. He's had Randy Moss, Darrell Revis, Chandler Jones, Richard Seymour, Donta Hightower, Aqib Talib, Vince Wilfork, etc. among a slew of other star names that could simply line up and win 1 on 1 based on pure talent.

Ultimately, while I think *sometimes* Kyle might add a little more value to "schematic fit" than I might, I don't question at all that he has a plan and I don't disagree that he knows what a good player looks like. I just wonder sometimes if we truly get the best value in the end by going with the "good player + great scheme fit" vs. "outstanding player + solid scheme fit" is all.

AJ Brown is an example. Jury is definitely still out of course, but I thought he was the better player in the end, overall. He was known for being a very good RAC guy as well, and I don't see any reason why we couldn't have used him the same way as Deebo either. Again though, to be fair, it's only been a year. We'll see how things shake out going forward.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
My concern with Shanahan sometimes is that I think he focuses too much on schematic fit on offense. You need guys that can go beyond the scheme so that in the case that a team finds a way to beat your concepts, your guys can still line up and simply win the one on one battle through their sheer edge in talent/natural abilities. Too big, too fast, too quick, too strong, and/or too smart for the opponent.

Kittle is one of those guys. Can Aiyuk be that guy in some way? We'll see. If he can consistently use that elite wingspan to his advantage, he certainly could. My hope is that Hurd and maybe even Jennings can also be players like that at WR. Hurd and Jennings both have the size and raw strength to be considered open even when covered.

Ultimately, while I know Shanahan's offense should rarely struggle to move the ball, I just don't want teams to be able to clamp down on short-to-intermediate "designed for RAC" stuff. Our offense could truly be a dominant and balanced force if guys like Aiyuk, Hurd, and Jennings pan out, paired with Deebo and Kittle.

Tell that to Belichick.

I think even Belicheck hasn't gotten by on scheme alone on offense or defense. He has had one of the greatest QBs in NFL History leading the offense for roughly two decades. He's had one of the greatest TEs and slot receivers in Gronk and Wes Welker. He's had and still has Julian Edelman. He has had, more often than not, one of the best OLs in the game. He's had Randy Moss, Darrell Revis, Chandler Jones, Richard Seymour, Donta Hightower, Aqib Talib, Vince Wilfork, etc. among a slew of other star names that could simply line up and win 1 on 1 based on pure talent.

Ultimately, while I think *sometimes* Kyle might add a little more value to "schematic fit" than I might, I don't question at all that he has a plan and I don't disagree that he knows what a good player looks like. I just wonder sometimes if we truly get the best value in the end by going with the "good player + great scheme fit" vs. "outstanding player + solid scheme fit" is all.

AJ Brown is an example. Jury is definitely still out of course, but I thought he was the better player in the end, overall. He was known for being a very good RAC guy as well, and I don't see any reason why we couldn't have used him the same way as Deebo either. Again though, to be fair, it's only been a year. We'll see how things shake out going forward.

I think the difference between AJ Brown and the other WR's Kyle has drafted is that Brown isn't a WR that can play RB.

Deebo, Hurd, and Aiyuk can play anywhere on the field. Also, what I noticed that separates them from Pettis as that they seem to run strong off cuts and off contact.
Mostert is similar to this as well. Kyle's emo seems to be players who run strong off cuts and continue forward progress when they cut instead of stopping their foward progress or hopping around. Breida is fast, but his forward progress stops when he makes cuts. Kittle runs downhill as well and doesn't lose much speed on his cuts.
Best example of the worst player that fits this emo is Vernon Davis. One of the fastest players in the league who's speed does not translate when defenders are in front of him.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by okdkid:
He was always WR1 in this draft. Elite separation. Elite off the line. Elite speed.

Glad people are waking up.

Nah he wasn't WR1, good WR prospect that can be very good if everything clicks.

Yea, he was WR1 in terms of who our head coach wanted,...Lamb was WR2 and you two are kind of out of sync with the 411. Virtually every prospect can be very good if everything clicks,...placing early limitations on a position that's just about the biggest gamble simply because you're not a big fan of him is kind of silly. Give us some football reasons for why his potential is limited, on the other hand, and we're all listening.

Too difficult to judge WRs in college. It seems as though the only thing that can be seen that translates to NFL is route running and speed.

For WRs, there's too many variables. Did they have a bad game vs a good CB because the entire defense was probably better which affected the QB?

The OL and the QB play and possibly the opponent LB and FS play too large of a role on WR production.

Originally posted by random49er:

Yea, he was WR1 in terms of who our head coach wanted,...Lamb was WR2 and you two are kind of out of sync with the 411. Virtually every prospect can be very good if everything clicks,...placing early limitations on a position that's just about the biggest gamble simply because you're not a big fan of him is kind of silly. Give us some football reasons for why his potential is limited, on the other hand, and we're all listening.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Brian Peacock had a real nice objective podcast breakdown of Aiyuk's strengths and weaknesses.

It covered many of the same concerns I had for Pettis coming out of the PAC12 with one major difference; drive.

I wanted to list those "concerns" here so fans can keep an eye out for growth in these areas as well as develop realistic expectations for him. Again, these are just "concerns"...common to any rookie coming into the NFL:

1. Arms the length of a 6'7" player but doesn't play like that and in fact, let's a lot of balls come into the body; needs to become more of a hands catcher to utilize that big advantage including 40" vertical leaping.
2. One real year of production including as a kick returner. Raw but not a project.
3. Teams scouted him to be a CB. Went to Arizona State so he could play WR.
4. Core muscle surgery after the combine.
5. Limited experience in the slot.
6. PAC12 competition and DB's were garbage. Best competition he had was against Utah (CB drafted) and he had 1 catch for 7 yards.
7. Poor contested catches, only caught 3 of 14 in his career.
8. Some false steps like Pettis throwing off timing.
9. Did not see much press coverage and when he did, it wasn't good.
10. WCO terminology is going to be a huge learning curve for him.

We already know all his strengths!

Not answering for NY, but I thought these weaknesses were pretty accurate with emphasis on #9. I've watched most of his games on the Pac NETWORK and he RARELY didn't have free releases from the LOS. When he was pressed and CBs got physical with him at the LOS, it was UGLY. He got handled easily. This will be his biggest challenge in the NFL in my opinion. I do agree with NY in that he wasn't/isn't WR 1 in this class, I still think that title belongs to Lamb and Jeudy as 1a and 1b and unfortunately I think both will be better than Aiyuk in the NFL. Doesn't mean that Aiyuk can't be damn good especially considering Shanny as his coach

Originally posted by 49ers808:
I do agree with NY in that he wasn't/isn't WR 1 in this class, I still think that title belongs to Lamb and Jeudy as 1a and 1b and unfortunately I think both will be better than Aiyuk in the NFL. Doesn't mean that Aiyuk can't be damn good especially considering Shanny as his coach

The thing is, you cant force words into a box and declare it only has 1 meaning and not anything else. It's pretty much an admitted fact from Shanahan (and those that know him) that Aiyuk was WR1 on our board.

If you don't think he'll ever develop into ______ or play very much at position _____ ,....then,...well, that's another take that you can certainly take the opportunity to say. Nothing wrong with having a different opinion than our HC in terms of his ability.

Take #3 is if you simply dont think he was the best WR in the draft,...therefore,...he's not YOUR WR1. But he was still Shanahan's WR1 either way.

You can play with the term all sorts of ways but he was the top GET on our board. The way Shanahan runs his offenses is a clue as to why you shouldn't overly-emphasize any one position like it's still 1980's football. He succeeds at moving guys around interchangeably more than anything else. He doesn't want any certain WR stuck in 1 spot play after play for the entire game.

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Not answering for NY, but I thought these weaknesses were pretty accurate with emphasis on #9. I've watched most of his games on the Pac NETWORK and he RARELY didn't have free releases from the LOS. When he was pressed and CBs got physical with him at the LOS, it was UGLY. He got handled easily. This will be his biggest challenge in the NFL in my opinion. I do agree with NY in that he wasn't/isn't WR 1 in this class, I still think that title belongs to Lamb and Jeudy as 1a and 1b and unfortunately I think both will be better than Aiyuk in the NFL. Doesn't mean that Aiyuk can't be damn good especially considering Shanny as his coach

Yup agreed, I mean every player has some sort of weakness. Lamb also had a ton of free releases BUT he's so damn physical and when pressed it wasn't that huge of an issue.

Jeudy just has amazing releases of the LOS. He's not gonna have a problem getting open at the next level.

I like Ayiuk don't think he was WR1 in this draft class and I don't think he was worth moving up to get either. Is what it is, he's still talented and can be great in this system.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

I do agree with NY in that he wasn't/isn't WR 1 in this class, I still think that title belongs to Lamb and Jeudy as 1a and 1b and unfortunately I think both will be better than Aiyuk in the NFL. Doesn't mean that Aiyuk can't be damn good especially considering Shanny as his coach

The thing is, you cant force words into a box and declare it only has 1 meaning and not anything else. It's pretty much an admitted fact from Shanahan (and those that know him) that Aiyuk was WR1 on our board.

If you don't think he'll ever develop into ______ or play very much at position _____ ,....then,...well, that's another take that you can certainly take the opportunity to say. Nothing wrong with having a different opinion than our HC in terms of his ability.

Take #3 is if you simply dont think he was the best WR in the draft,...therefore,...he's not YOUR WR1. But he was still Shanahan's WR1 either way.

You can play with the term all sorts of ways but he was the top GET on our board. The way Shanahan runs his offenses is a clue as to why you shouldn't overly-emphasize any one position like it's still 1980's football. He succeeds at moving guys around interchangeably more than anything else. He doesn't want any certain WR stuck in 1 spot play after play for the entire game.

I usually means me when I said that I think Lamb and Jeudy was tops and will be better. I know Shanny had Aiyuk #1, he also had Pettis rated higher than everyone else and we all know how that's looking. Point being nobody's right all the time and only time will tell if Aiyuk is and will be better than Lamb and Jeudy

Originally posted by random49er:
Yea, he was WR1 in terms of who our head coach wanted,...Lamb was WR2 and you two are kind of out of sync with the 411. Virtually every prospect can be very good if everything clicks,...placing early limitations on a position that's just about the biggest gamble simply because you're not a big fan of him is kind of silly. Give us some football reasons for why his potential is limited, on the other hand, and we're all listening.

Nah our HC had Lamb and Aiyuk as the top WRs, they had Kinlaw over all of them...if Dallas took Aiyuk at 17, I bet SF moves up for Lamb as well.

I never said he won't be good. I think he's got a good chance to be, especially in this scheme. I never said his potential is limited either. He's simply not better at this point than a couple WRs that went before him (two of which they could have taken).

Originally posted by 49ers808:
I usually means me when I said that I think Lamb and Jeudy was tops and will be better. I know Shanny had Aiyuk #1, he also had Pettis rated higher than everyone else and we all know how that's looking. Point being nobody's right all the time and only time will tell if Aiyuk is and will be better than Lamb and Jeudy

From what I remember he had Lamb and Aiyuk pretty much even? End of the day he had Kinlaw higher than any of them. He probably tries to move up for Lamb if Dallas takes Aiyuk