Brandon Aiyuk is a 49er! Pick #25, 2020 NFL Draft

Originally posted by random49er:
I'm sold on this kid having high ability. We will just have to wait and see if the braintrusts were right.

I spent half the day today looking at the Draft thread and the info on this guy, pretty good I might say. I agree with the draft nerds who say Aiyuk's basically Emanuel Sanders 2.0 or another faster DeeBo 2.0. Either way this is a good addition for Jimmy for the deep ball and the short and middle passing game. Very raw kid apparently, so whatever problems he has with press coverage, I think can he can be coached or schemed out of. With Aiyuk, DeeBo, and Hurd, you basically have three running backs playing WR. Any one of them, I think, can take over McKinnon's passing roles in a jiffy on third downs.

Kyle calls him another Issac Bruce, and Issac's yards average per catch (lifetime) was around 15 yards per catch. Bruce had an awesome 1999 year on a rams fast break offense that had Az Hakim, Richy Prohel, Torry Holt and Marshal Faulk. I think if Kittle and DeeBo can draw double coverage, then Bourne and Aiyuk alternately can draw single coverage, Aiyuk with those *long* arms and quick feet, I think he'll develop the skill to beat press coverage in no time at all. The guy is raw, with only two years in division I competition -- so there's a *lot* of room for improvement from a coaching standpoint, in my opinion. I can see this guy beating one on one press coverage consistently eventually, and being the deep threat that Goodwin was supposed to be.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by genus49:
I don't get your take at all.

They had a pretty brutal first round as first time HC/GMs and still added a lot of quality talent in that first draft.

McGlinchey and Fred Warner are great players.
Bosa and Deebo are terrific.

Other guys still have a chance to prove their worth. That includes Spoon and Pettis.

You also have to look at their additions via trade and UDFA. They're part of building a team as well.

Im just talking about drafting part.

About the only people I've seen who have a real problem with the 49ers FO when it comes to drafting are Cohn and other media types who like to throw bombs, and 49ers fans who are pissed that Lynch and company don't validate their player analysis.

The suggestion that there is some common feeling that Lynch and Co. are amateurish and naive in drafting seems kind of like wishful thinking.

Originally posted by Midbay:

About the only people I've seen who have a real problem with the 49ers FO when it comes to drafting are Cohn and other media types who like to throw bombs, and 49ers fans who are pissed that Lynch and company don't validate their player analysis.

The suggestion that there is some common feeling that Lynch and Co. are amateurish and naive in drafting seems kind of like wishful thinking.

We've had some unusual reaches that haven't worked out. We've had selections that dont seem to address positions of need that are consistent with priority of need. It seems like decision makers always speak about their hot take and dont take into account the scouted analysis based on snap by snap all22 screen time.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

When the brain trust says they would take aiyuk 13, it sounds deranged frankly.

What's the purpose of saying stuff like that. IT reinforces the argument other fans have that our FO is disconnected and naive.

Our FO created one of the best rosters in the league after only 3 yrs, we all agree they stepped into a dogs**t roster.

Whether we like certain moves or not, overall they've done a good job.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by Midbay:
About the only people I've seen who have a real problem with the 49ers FO when it comes to drafting are Cohn and other media types who like to throw bombs, and 49ers fans who are pissed that Lynch and company don't validate their player analysis.

The suggestion that there is some common feeling that Lynch and Co. are amateurish and naive in drafting seems kind of like wishful thinking.

We've had some unusual reaches that haven't worked out. We've had selections that dont seem to address positions of need that are consistent with priority of need. It seems like decision makers always speak about their hot take and dont take into account the scouted analysis based on snap by snap all22 screen time.

I get that you look at it that way, but to suggest it is a somewhat common view of Lynch and Co. (particularly outside of upset 49ers fans) strikes me as fantasy.

The idea that Lynch and Co. don't take into account the "scounted analysis based on snap by snap all22 screen time" is ludicrous. They just see things you evidently don't. The rest of your complaints seem like similar disagreements.

Do you think teams across the league who actually watched Aiyuk's film are laughing at the amateurs who took him at 24, or are they nervously saying "Damn, I really hope his college tape doesn't translate"?

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

We draft pretty well in the later rounds. And we didnt blow bosa.

Otherwise...
lynch drafts

I don't get your take at all.

They had a pretty brutal first round as first time HC/GMs and still added a lot of quality talent in that first draft.

McGlinchey and Fred Warner are great players.
Bosa and Deebo are terrific.

Other guys still have a chance to prove their worth. That includes Spoon and Pettis.

You also have to look at their additions via trade and UDFA. They're part of building a team as well.

Yup.

We have like 10+ starters (or major contributors) Throughout the 2017-2019 drafts. Who do we have left on this roster from the Baalke days that start? 2 I think (Tarrt/Ward).

Like you said toss in FAs and trades. I don't see how you can proclaim this FO as being poor at putting a team together.

I also believe they won an award for best draft last yr (given to them at the combine this yr)

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by Midbay:

About the only people I've seen who have a real problem with the 49ers FO when it comes to drafting are Cohn and other media types who like to throw bombs, and 49ers fans who are pissed that Lynch and company don't validate their player analysis.

The suggestion that there is some common feeling that Lynch and Co. are amateurish and naive in drafting seems kind of like wishful thinking.

We've had some unusual reaches that haven't worked out. We've had selections that dont seem to address positions of need that are consistent with priority of need. It seems like decision makers always speak about their hot take and dont take into account the scouted analysis based on snap by snap all22 screen time.

What constitutes an unusual reach?

I'm pretty sure that reaches that don't work out are the only ones anyone has any issues with since if the player plays well nobody cares where most mock drafts had them going in.

However facts are despite that "scouted analysis" you talk about...especially since you're talking about all22 film which I'm pretty sure isn't readily available for most people at the end of the day NFL teams have access we do not have. They have inside sources and have a better idea of who likes whom and where each guy may go since they have access to behind the scenes info, health records and info from their coaches, teammates and etc.

The so called "reaches" have been Beathard, Pettis, Hurd, Wishnowsky and Aiyuk.

Hurd, Wish and Aiyuk are still up in the air.

Beathard has been a failure but he was the QB who Kyle wanted from that class. He was drafted to be the Kirk Cousins, someone who sits and learns and then has a chance to start. He was rushed out there when Hoyer sucked something fierce and got killed before he could develop. We also picked up Mullens as UDFA same class...so is that such a huge miss? Not to mention there was talk other teams liked Beathard and end of the day Kyle's love of Beathard got us George Kittle.

Pettis right now is the biggest question mark because we traded up for him in the 2nd round. Talent is there but his heart may not be in it. It's pretty clear Kyle has altered what he looks for in a WR as far as mental makeup goes after that pick and Dante at least for now is still on the roster and as for him being a reach GB was looking at him with their 2nd round pick and some people had him as the top WR in that class.

So end of the day "reach" is all relative. If they work out nobody cares.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Yup.

We have like 10+ starters (or major contributors) Throughout the 2017-2019 drafts. Who do we have left on this roster from the Baalke days that start? 2 I think (Tarrt/Ward).

Like you said toss in FAs and trades. I don't see how you can't proclaim this FO as being poor at putting a team together.

I also believe they won an award for best draft last yr (given to them at the combine this yr)

Yup indeed.

Forget the names, and just based on last years performances on the field, they drafted one game-wrecker, one game-changer, one gamer, a mere long-term starter, a borderline starter they couldn't keep, and at least one long-term backup.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Yup agreed, I mean every player has some sort of weakness. Lamb also had a ton of free releases BUT he's so damn physical and when pressed it wasn't that huge of an issue.

Jeudy just has amazing releases of the LOS. He's not gonna have a problem getting open at the next level.

I like Ayiuk don't think he was WR1 in this draft class and I don't think he was worth moving up to get either. Is what it is, he's still talented and can be great in this system.

When the brain trust says they would take aiyuk 13, it sounds deranged frankly.

What's the purpose of saying stuff like that. IT reinforces the argument other fans have that our FO is disconnected and naive.

I get that some might not like the pick, but to say the FO, widely recognized as one of the best in the NFL, is disconnected and naive is absolutely f**king hilarious.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
When the brain trust says they would take aiyuk 13, it sounds deranged frankly.

What's the purpose of saying stuff like that. IT reinforces the argument other fans have that our FO is disconnected and naive.

They were in the Super Bowl in their 3rd year. Wtf

Some people's football knowledge is way out of whack.

Ftfy.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Yup agreed, I mean every player has some sort of weakness. Lamb also had a ton of free releases BUT he's so damn physical and when pressed it wasn't that huge of an issue.

Jeudy just has amazing releases of the LOS. He's not gonna have a problem getting open at the next level.

I like Ayiuk don't think he was WR1 in this draft class and I don't think he was worth moving up to get either. Is what it is, he's still talented and can be great in this system.

When the brain trust says they would take aiyuk 13, it sounds deranged frankly.

What's the purpose of saying stuff like that. IT reinforces the argument other fans have that our FO is disconnected and naive.

I get that some might not like the pick, but to say the FO, widely recognized as one of the best in the NFL, is disconnected and naive is absolutely f**king hilarious.

Yeah, brodie - your way off on that.

Originally posted by Midbay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Yup.

We have like 10+ starters (or major contributors) Throughout the 2017-2019 drafts. Who do we have left on this roster from the Baalke days that start? 2 I think (Tarrt/Ward).

Like you said toss in FAs and trades. I don't see how you can proclaim this FO as being poor at putting a team together.

I also believe they won an award for best draft last yr (given to them at the combine this yr)

Yup indeed.

Forget the names, and just based on last years performances on the field, they drafted one game-wrecker, one game-changer, one gamer, a mere long-term starter, a borderline starter they couldn't keep, and at least one long-term backup.

How anyone can call that anything short of a successful draft is beyond me...unless they have unrealistic expectations.

Some people are just never happy. If we would have won the SB they would complain that the score was too close or they would find plays where we could have done better.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Yup.

We have like 10+ starters (or major contributors) Throughout the 2017-2019 drafts. Who do we have left on this roster from the Baalke days that start? 2 I think (Tarrt/Ward).

Like you said toss in FAs and trades. I don't see how you can proclaim this FO as being poor at putting a team together.

I also believe they won an award for best draft last yr (given to them at the combine this yr)

Tartt, Ward, Armstead, and Kyle Nelson if you count him.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Some people are just never happy. If we would have won the SB they would complain that the score was too close or they would find plays where we could have done better.

idk about the rest, but i would take any type of win. Even, if it was help from the Refs like what the ravens and chefs received and not be ashmaed