All Pro OT Trent Williams "Silverback",

Originally posted by Mooseman:
This kinda becomes chicken or egg situation.

If Trent gets extended Dashaun Watson becomes more viable in a trade. He has a no - trade clause in his contract. He would look at the Niners more favorably for a trade. If TW leaves I don't think the trade will happen.

This will be very interesting how it plays out. Stay tuned.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by Mooseman:
You can definitely do both.

I've mentioned this before. We are about 22 million under the cap right now. By Making Dee Ford and Weston Richnurg June 1 cuts we will gave around 47 million in cap space. Also, It's hard to believe but Watsons contract is very resonable.

By releasing Jimmy saves about 23 million. Watsons contract for 2021 calls for his salary to be around 11 million. Houston eats the signing bonus.

That's another big savings to the cap. This is a no brainer if we can get Watson in trade.

22M under cap with a ton of FA. Trent will take up most of the 22 under the cap. Cutting D Ford and Richburg as June 1 cuts will save 47M??? That doesn't sound right bud. How are you coming up with that number?

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by Mooseman:
You can definitely do both.

I've mentioned this before. We are about 22 million under the cap right now. By Making Dee Ford and Weston Richnurg June 1 cuts we will gave around 47 million in cap space. Also, It's hard to believe but Watsons contract is very resonable.

By releasing Jimmy saves about 23 million. Watsons contract for 2021 calls for his salary to be around 11 million. Houston eats the signing bonus.

That's another big savings to the cap. This is a no brainer if we can get Watson in trade.

22M under cap with a ton of FA. Trent will take up most of the 22 under the cap. Cutting D Ford and Richburg as June 1 cuts will save 47M??? That doesn't sound right bud. How are you coming up with that number?

1. He's adding the June 1 cuts to the $22M, 2. we don't have $22M, we have about $14.7M after top 51, and 3. Trent won't take up $22M in cap room, he'll have a low cap number for 2021 and 2022 IMO, he'll get a big signing bonus, and likely an option bonus in 2022.

Originally posted by richterkbelmont:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by Mooseman:
You can definitely do both.

I've mentioned this before. We are about 22 million under the cap right now. By Making Dee Ford and Weston Richnurg June 1 cuts we will gave around 47 million in cap space. Also, It's hard to believe but Watsons contract is very resonable.

By releasing Jimmy saves about 23 million. Watsons contract for 2021 calls for his salary to be around 11 million. Houston eats the signing bonus.

That's another big savings to the cap. This is a no brainer if we can get Watson in trade.

22M under cap with a ton of FA. Trent will take up most of the 22 under the cap. Cutting D Ford and Richburg as June 1 cuts will save 47M??? That doesn't sound right bud. How are you coming up with that number?

1. He's adding the June 1 cuts to the $22M, 2. we don't have $22M, we have about $14.7M after top 51, and 3. Trent won't take up $22M in cap room, he'll have a low cap number for 2021 and 2022 IMO, he'll get a big signing bonus, and likely an option bonus in 2022.

Correct. Lets say he takes the PFF deal which is 4 years 80M deal, 20M per year.
You can give him 17M year 1, 21M the rest of the years. The guaranteed money is what these guys care more than anything else.
And indeed it's up to 71M by dumping Jimmy and post june 1 cuts of Ford and Richburg, which may not be immediately available for the first waves of FA.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by richterkbelmont:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by Mooseman:
You can definitely do both.

I've mentioned this before. We are about 22 million under the cap right now. By Making Dee Ford and Weston Richnurg June 1 cuts we will gave around 47 million in cap space. Also, It's hard to believe but Watsons contract is very resonable.

By releasing Jimmy saves about 23 million. Watsons contract for 2021 calls for his salary to be around 11 million. Houston eats the signing bonus.

That's another big savings to the cap. This is a no brainer if we can get Watson in trade.

22M under cap with a ton of FA. Trent will take up most of the 22 under the cap. Cutting D Ford and Richburg as June 1 cuts will save 47M??? That doesn't sound right bud. How are you coming up with that number?

1. He's adding the June 1 cuts to the $22M, 2. we don't have $22M, we have about $14.7M after top 51, and 3. Trent won't take up $22M in cap room, he'll have a low cap number for 2021 and 2022 IMO, he'll get a big signing bonus, and likely an option bonus in 2022.

Correct. Lets say he takes the PFF deal which is 4 years 80M deal, 20M per year.
You can give him 17M year 1, 21M the rest of the years. The guaranteed money is what these guys care more than anything else.
And indeed it's up to 71M by dumping Jimmy and post june 1 cuts of Ford and Richburg, which may not be immediately available for the first waves of FA.

Any deal for Trent will have a low, and I mean LOW year 1 cap hit, like $5.5M like Kittle's. In fact I think any multi year deal signed by the 49ers will have a super low 2021 cap number.

Originally posted by Mooseman:

I would definitely do a 2021, 2022, and a 2023 first.

Imagine Watson with Debo, Kittle, Aiuyuk, and Mosert. We would automatically be a Super Bowl favorite for the NFC next year.

Keep in mind Dashaun is like a 2021 first round pick.
We would just be giving up 2 1st rounders.

We must re-sign TW for him to want to come here.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Some of the replies in here.

"The OL is already bad so it's okay if we lose Trent Williams"

Some people have said he didn't play at an elite level this year. I have to wonder what an elite level looks like to those who don't think Trent played at an elite level

He played at an elite level? Really? He got creamed. What games were you watching? They must not have been the same games I was looking at.

The games I watched featured our first and second string quarterbacks getting hammered so hard, both were lost to injury. It was the same story with our first, second and third string running backs.

If those injuries are your example of "elite play," I guess we will agree to disagree.

And your blaming Trent who in 14 games only gave up 4 sacks for the QBs being creamed. In no way am I saying our pass protection was good this year. But Trent is part of the solution to fixing that issue. You don't let him go and then risk having 2 McGlinchey level tackles out there.

McGlinchey had an off year. I think we can agree on that point. Part of it was his fault. Part of it wasn't.

Shanny and Lynch have built this team through the draft and a few low-profile (cheap) free agent finds. They should not abandon this philosophy.

So you're making an excuse for McGlinchey but hands down our best offensive player this year needs to GTFO. I can't

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Heroism:
Some of the replies in here.

"The OL is already bad so it's okay if we lose Trent Williams"

Some people have said he didn't play at an elite level this year. I have to wonder what an elite level looks like to those who don't think Trent played at an elite level

He played at an elite level? Really? He got creamed. What games were you watching? They must not have been the same games I was looking at.

The games I watched featured our first and second string quarterbacks getting hammered so hard, both were lost to injury. It was the same story with our first, second and third string running backs.

If those injuries are your example of "elite play," I guess we will agree to disagree.

And your blaming Trent who in 14 games only gave up 4 sacks for the QBs being creamed. In no way am I saying our pass protection was good this year. But Trent is part of the solution to fixing that issue. You don't let him go and then risk having 2 McGlinchey level tackles out there.

McGlinchey had an off year. I think we can agree on that point. Part of it was his fault. Part of it wasn't.

Shanny and Lynch have built this team through the draft and a few low-profile (cheap) free agent finds. They should not abandon this philosophy.

So you're making an excuse for McGlinchey but hands down our best offensive player this year needs to GTFO. I can't

Yes, keep McGlinchey and let some other chump team sign Trent Williams for $20 million. Why is this so hard for anyone to understand?

McGlinchey is a BARGAIN. He's much younger. Health is not an issue. Good linemen can be found in the draft, just as the 49ers found Joe Staley years ago.

Draft the best tackle available to replace TW and use the cap money elsewhere. Why would anyone be opposed to this plan? I don't understand it.

Originally posted by crusher49er:

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Some of the replies in here.

"The OL is already bad so it's okay if we lose Trent Williams"

Some people have said he didn't play at an elite level this year. I have to wonder what an elite level looks like to those who don't think Trent played at an elite level

He played at an elite level? Really? He got creamed. What games were you watching? They must not have been the same games I was looking at.

The games I watched featured our first and second string quarterbacks getting hammered so hard, both were lost to injury. It was the same story with our first, second and third string running backs.

If those injuries are your example of "elite play," I guess we will agree to disagree.

And your blaming Trent who in 14 games only gave up 4 sacks for the QBs being creamed. In no way am I saying our pass protection was good this year. But Trent is part of the solution to fixing that issue. You don't let him go and then risk having 2 McGlinchey level tackles out there.

McGlinchey had an off year. I think we can agree on that point. Part of it was his fault. Part of it wasn't.

Shanny and Lynch have built this team through the draft and a few low-profile (cheap) free agent finds. They should not abandon this philosophy.

So you're making an excuse for McGlinchey but hands down our best offensive player this year needs to GTFO. I can't

Yes, keep McGlinchey and let some other chump team sign Trent Williams for $20 million. Why is this so hard for anyone to understand?

McGlinchey is a BARGAIN. He's much younger. Health is not an issue. Good linemen can be found in the draft, just as the 49ers found Joe Staley years ago.

Draft the best tackle available to replace TW and use the cap money elsewhere. Why would anyone be opposed to this plan? I don't understand it.

You are seriously underrating having Twill, basically the best LT in the game.

Originally posted by billbird2111:
Yes, keep McGlinchey and let some other chump team sign Trent Williams for $20 million. Why is this so hard for anyone to understand?

McGlinchey is a BARGAIN. He's much younger. Health is not an issue. Good linemen can be found in the draft, just as the 49ers found Joe Staley years ago.

Draft the best tackle available to replace TW and use the cap money elsewhere. Why would anyone be opposed to this plan? I don't understand it.

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by crusher49er:

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Some of the replies in here.

"The OL is already bad so it's okay if we lose Trent Williams"

Some people have said he didn't play at an elite level this year. I have to wonder what an elite level looks like to those who don't think Trent played at an elite level

He played at an elite level? Really? He got creamed. What games were you watching? They must not have been the same games I was looking at.

The games I watched featured our first and second string quarterbacks getting hammered so hard, both were lost to injury. It was the same story with our first, second and third string running backs.

If those injuries are your example of "elite play," I guess we will agree to disagree.

And your blaming Trent who in 14 games only gave up 4 sacks for the QBs being creamed. In no way am I saying our pass protection was good this year. But Trent is part of the solution to fixing that issue. You don't let him go and then risk having 2 McGlinchey level tackles out there.

McGlinchey had an off year. I think we can agree on that point. Part of it was his fault. Part of it wasn't.

Shanny and Lynch have built this team through the draft and a few low-profile (cheap) free agent finds. They should not abandon this philosophy.

So you're making an excuse for McGlinchey but hands down our best offensive player this year needs to GTFO. I can't

Yes, keep McGlinchey and let some other chump team sign Trent Williams for $20 million. Why is this so hard for anyone to understand?

McGlinchey is a BARGAIN. He's much younger. Health is not an issue. Good linemen can be found in the draft, just as the 49ers found Joe Staley years ago.

Draft the best tackle available to replace TW and use the cap money elsewhere. Why would anyone be opposed to this plan? I don't understand it.

You are seriously underrating having Twill, basically the best LT in the game.

The best LT in the game? Really? Usually, the best LT's "in the game" are in the playoffs. What game is TW playing in this weekend? Go ahead, take your time. I'm waiting...

The fact of the matter is this. The loss of Joe Staley allowed our QB's to get HAMMERED onto IR. And this type of play is acceptable to you? Crushed bones and battered heads is your example of the "best LT in the game?"

I want no part of "your game."

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by crusher49er:

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Heroism:
Some of the replies in here.

"The OL is already bad so it's okay if we lose Trent Williams"

Some people have said he didn't play at an elite level this year. I have to wonder what an elite level looks like to those who don't think Trent played at an elite level

He played at an elite level? Really? He got creamed. What games were you watching? They must not have been the same games I was looking at.

The games I watched featured our first and second string quarterbacks getting hammered so hard, both were lost to injury. It was the same story with our first, second and third string running backs.

If those injuries are your example of "elite play," I guess we will agree to disagree.

And your blaming Trent who in 14 games only gave up 4 sacks for the QBs being creamed. In no way am I saying our pass protection was good this year. But Trent is part of the solution to fixing that issue. You don't let him go and then risk having 2 McGlinchey level tackles out there.

McGlinchey had an off year. I think we can agree on that point. Part of it was his fault. Part of it wasn't.

Shanny and Lynch have built this team through the draft and a few low-profile (cheap) free agent finds. They should not abandon this philosophy.

So you're making an excuse for McGlinchey but hands down our best offensive player this year needs to GTFO. I can't

Yes, keep McGlinchey and let some other chump team sign Trent Williams for $20 million. Why is this so hard for anyone to understand?

McGlinchey is a BARGAIN. He's much younger. Health is not an issue. Good linemen can be found in the draft, just as the 49ers found Joe Staley years ago.

Draft the best tackle available to replace TW and use the cap money elsewhere. Why would anyone be opposed to this plan? I don't understand it.

You are seriously underrating having Twill, basically the best LT in the game.

The best LT in the game? Really? Usually, the best LT's "in the game" are in the playoffs. What game is TW playing in this weekend? Go ahead, take your time. I'm waiting...

The fact of the matter is this. The loss of Joe Staley allowed our QB's to get HAMMERED onto IR. And this type of play is acceptable to you? Crushed bones and battered heads is your example of the "best LT in the game?"

I want no part of "your game."