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Originally posted by Hysterikal:Originally posted by susweel:Should have just drafted Tristan wirffs a far younger player and cheaper. Williams is a short term solution at a vital position.
Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
Originally posted by kezar49er:Boy am I glad some of you don't run the team
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Butter:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by okdkid:
STALEY RETIRES
Here's what helped set into motion the Trent Williams' trade: six-time Pro Bowl and All-Decade OT Joe Staley is expected to retire due to health concerns, per league sources. The 35-year-old Staley wanted to inform the 49ers in a timely way to help find a replacement. They have.
— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) April 25, 2020
Great move to get Williams and it looks like Staley actually helped!
Wow, ShanaLynch have stones passing on Wirfs. It doesn't sound like the TW trade was done when they made that pick.
Absolutely stupid.
Originally posted by NCommand:Stupid. They pass on Wirfs, a talented 10 year tackle prospect. If they knew Staley was not coming back there was plenty of defensive tackles in free agency that cost what you're going to pay William's that would've been perfectly fine for the time being. Defensive tackles are a dime a dozen compared to talented offense tackles.
Originally posted by FL9er:
I don't know about you guys but I'd rather have Javon Kinlaw and Trent Williams than Tristan Wirfs (who may or may not be an NFL LT) and whatever DT could've been available to them in the draft, if not Kinlaw.
Wirfs is a RG to RT if needed.
Originally posted by susweel:
Should have just drafted Tristan wirffs a far younger player and cheaper. Williams is a short term solution at a vital position
Originally posted by NCommand:Originally posted by AB81Rules:I love ya NC, but c'mon man, they just got the 2nd best DT and a 7 time pro bowl LT, and getting WIrfs would be redundant IMO, he's a RT and RG, we're fine at those, Brunskill is a good player, they know more than we do, people always overreact, no need to do this. We have a great OL IMO, and Kinlaw is a better DT than Taylor or any of the other IDL we have, so I'm happy with this draft/offseason.
If you think an AAF talent in Brunskill is in the same talent level as Wirfs, I'm going to have to slightly disagree with you. Wirfs also gives you the added benefit of keeping top talent at T should McGlinchey go down (he goes down every year with injury).
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:Originally posted by NYniner85:And draft Wirfs would have been a MASSIVE downgrade
A lot of people see Wirfs more as a guard than a tackle. At best I think he's a right tackle. Not sure where this idea came from that he was this "can't miss" offensive tackle prospect. He's not your typical Iowa lineman where he's come out all polished with top notch technical ability. Despite his freakish athleticism, he didn't show it off consistently out on the field.
So you acquire Wirfs, who is far less than optimal as a tackle prospect. Now you go DT at #31 and get someone this is less than Kinlaw as a DT prospect. Then you go WR in the 5th and you get someone far less optimal than Aiyuk as a WR prospect. You've just shifted your draft class from quality to quantity and mediocrity.
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:Originally posted by stefano89:You can only trade away your future for so long before that method comes to a halt
If a 3rd round pick next year is your future then you have bigger problems. Truth is. the future is almost always now in the NFL. There are teams that have been 'building for the future' like Detroit, Chicago and the Bengals but the future never gets here. Players leave thru free agency or retirement. Injuries change the complexion of a team in a heartbeat. Only about 60% of 3rd rounders are still on the team that drafted them by year 3. By year 4 it's down to 37%. So all this drafting for the future is really a mirage. It's not like the old days when you could draft a player and there was no salary cap and the player couldn't leave thru free agency.
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Butter:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by okdkid:
STALEY RETIRES
Here's what helped set into motion the Trent Williams' trade: six-time Pro Bowl and All-Decade OT Joe Staley is expected to retire due to health concerns, per league sources. The 35-year-old Staley wanted to inform the 49ers in a timely way to help find a replacement. They have.
— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) April 25, 2020
Great move to get Williams and it looks like Staley actually helped!
Wow, ShanaLynch have stones passing on Wirfs. It doesn't sound like the TW trade was done when they made that pick.
Absolutely stupid.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Sorry, Bash may have been a strong word, as it pertains to your comment, but others are absolutely bashing him. But it seems pretty clear you are not a big Lynch fan
Btw Biadasz is still on the board. Wouldn't mind if they could somehow land him.
Oh. LOL. I didn't see those.
I love the regime...just not their very obvious blind spots and draft strategies/philosophies. That doesn't mean it can't work out. Lots of ways of team building. Look at this regime...massive high end 1st-3rd round fails and still a top 5 talent team!
But my standard is Superbowl. I don't think they've done enough this off season.
Wait a second, Somehow you acknowledge there are lot of different ways to build the team, but you clear said not drafting Wirfs was stupid, as if drafting an OL in the first round is the only way that make sense. These seems to be conflicting statements.
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:Originally posted by NCommand:Originally posted by AB81Rules:I love ya NC, but c'mon man, they just got the 2nd best DT and a 7 time pro bowl LT, and getting WIrfs would be redundant IMO, he's a RT and RG, we're fine at those, Brunskill is a good player, they know more than we do, people always overreact, no need to do this. We have a great OL IMO, and Kinlaw is a better DT than Taylor or any of the other IDL we have, so I'm happy with this draft/offseason.
If you think an AAF talent in Brunskill is in the same talent level as Wirfs, I'm going to have to slightly disagree with you. Wirfs also gives you the added benefit of keeping top talent at T should McGlinchey go down (he goes down every year with injury).
What does AAF have to do with anything?
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:Originally posted by susweel:
Should have just drafted Tristan wirffs a far younger player and cheaper. Williams is a short term solution at a vital position
You can't even spell his name right, stop acting like you have any idea who you're even talking about here.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Why would you go DT at 31? Aiyuk still at 25. IDT are a dime a dozen. We already have a dozen.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
And draft Wirfs would have been a MASSIVE downgrade
A lot of people see Wirfs more as a guard than a tackle. At best I think he's a right tackle. Not sure where this idea came from that he was this "can't miss" offensive tackle prospect. He's not your typical Iowa lineman where he's come out all polished with top notch technical ability. Despite his freakish athleticism, he didn't show it off consistently out on the field.
So you acquire Wirfs, who is far less than optimal as a tackle prospect. Now you go DT at #31 and get someone this is less than Kinlaw as a DT prospect. Then you go WR in the 5th and you get someone far less optimal than Aiyuk as a WR prospect. You've just shifted your draft class from quality to quantity and mediocrity.
Why would you go DT at 31? Aiyuk still at 25. IDT are a dime a dozen. We already have a dozen.
Originally posted by NCommand:Originally posted by Hoovtrain:Originally posted by NCommand:Originally posted by AB81Rules:I love ya NC, but c'mon man, they just got the 2nd best DT and a 7 time pro bowl LT, and getting WIrfs would be redundant IMO, he's a RT and RG, we're fine at those, Brunskill is a good player, they know more than we do, people always overreact, no need to do this. We have a great OL IMO, and Kinlaw is a better DT than Taylor or any of the other IDL we have, so I'm happy with this draft/offseason.
If you think an AAF talent in Brunskill is in the same talent level as Wirfs, I'm going to have to slightly disagree with you. Wirfs also gives you the added benefit of keeping top talent at T should McGlinchey go down (he goes down every year with injury).
What does AAF have to do with anything?
Talent level.
