could the 49ers have acquired a veteran of trent williams' caliber at another position of need with the same assets? DT? WR? CB? with staley, buckner, and sanders gone, it seems to me like if we're choosing one spot to plug in a veteran replacement it would be at LT. drafting wirfs and finding a DT and WR later on is another possibility. but that's three rookies with two of them in key roles.
williams' familiarity and fit makes this course of action a no brainer for me.
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Apr 25, 2020 at 11:32 AM
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Apr 25, 2020 at 11:34 AM
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Originally posted by susweel:He'll be 32 by the time the season starts and you'll have to pay him.
What are the chances wirf is going to 7 probowls.
Don't act like these are equal players.
Apr 25, 2020 at 11:35 AM
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Originally posted by Oilcan:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by stefano89:
You can only trade away your future for so long before that method comes to a halt
If a 3rd round pick next year is your future then you have bigger problems. Truth is. the future is almost always now in the NFL. There are teams that have been 'building for the future' like Detroit, Chicago and the Bengals but the future never gets here. Players leave thru free agency or retirement. Injuries change the complexion of a team in a heartbeat. Only about 60% of 3rd rounders are still on the team that drafted them by year 3. By year 4 it's down to 37%. So all this drafting for the future is really a mirage. It's not like the old days when you could draft a player and there was no salary cap and the player couldn't leave thru free agency.
Actually it's pretty simple They need to stop targeting "their" guy in the draft and start working the draft board. Next year they need to trade back with there first and recoup that third.
Trying to unpack this... So targeting actual humans you think will make and help the team is a worse strategy than focusing on making sure you have picks in each round?
I get concern over "overpaying" (though I don't personally see it as something that is happening) but am mystified by the frequent follow-on insistence on maintaining a distribution of draft picks as if picks=players.
Apr 25, 2020 at 11:35 AM
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One more time so it is clear,...If Washington, San Fran, or Staley, or Trent had let this out of the bag,...we probably don't get Aiyuk.
Apr 25, 2020 at 11:36 AM
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Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
I love ya NC, but c'mon man, they just got the 2nd best DT and a 7 time pro bowl LT, and getting WIrfs would be redundant IMO, he's a RT and RG, we're fine at those, Brunskill is a good player, they know more than we do, people always overreact, no need to do this. We have a great OL IMO, and Kinlaw is a better DT than Taylor or any of the other IDL we have, so I'm happy with this draft/offseason.
If you think an AAF talent in Brunskill is in the same talent level as Wirfs, I'm going to have to slightly disagree with you. Wirfs also gives you the added benefit of keeping top talent at T should McGlinchey go down (he goes down every year with injury).
What does AAF have to do with anything?
Talent level.
Referencing AAF just seems to be a way to try and denigrate the guy. Not all good players are division 1 1st round picks....not even kind of. He proved last year he could play at a high level, so him coming from AAF means absolutely nothing .
Niners just drafted an OT in 5th btw. Not too familiar with him.
We should have drafted a number 1 TE with our 1st round pick. George Kittle is only a 5th round talent.
Apr 25, 2020 at 11:36 AM
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:Originally posted by NCommand:
Why would you go DT at 31? Aiyuk still at 25. IDT are a dime a dozen. We already have a dozen.
Because the front four is what got this team to the SB and you're not replacing Buckner with some 5th round lineman.
Also if you take Wirfs, you don't have that tradedown from Tampa, thus you have no extra pick to allow you to acquire Aiyuk so you're settling for someone at both WR and DT. All for a guy that a lot of people feel is much better suited for guard than tackle, myself included.
Kyle said he was only worried about the Dolphins at 30. You wouldn't need an extra 4th.
We gave up 1,800 yards and 4.5 yards a carry the past 2 years and it had 0 effect on W-L's. 3T was not why we got to the Superbowl. The addition of an actual pass rush in AA, Bosa and Ford was.
Replacing Buckner's run defense was always going to be about rotation...an experienced rotation. You add a pass rushing only IDT later or pick one up on cut downs.
Apr 25, 2020 at 11:38 AM
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Because they knew before the draft and there was no guarantee they'd get Trent Williams and they STILL went 3T.
I believe the deal was done but not announced. I cannot accept the idea that they knew Staley was retiring and passed on Wirfs.
They knew they had Williams so they could feel safe to move back a spot and still get Kinlaw. Further, the 4th they got in the move allowed them to get Aiyuk. I do not believe that was all just luck. It all spun off the assurance the LT spot was secure.
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Originally posted by random49er:
One more time so it is clear,...If Washington, San Fran, or Staley, or Trent had let this out of the bag,...we probably don't get Aiyuk.
This! Over and over and over!
Washington picked an OT in the 4th. Did the Williams announcement come after their pick?
Silence helped everyone involved!!!
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Originally posted by random49er:One more time so it is clear,...If Washington, San Fran, or Staley, or Trent had let this out of the bag,...we probably don't get Aiyuk.
Don't even bother. Some are so contrary they are contradicting previous arguments they made. Somehow a rookie Wirfs is better than multi-time pro bowler Trent Williams, but Kinlaw and Aiyuk are downgrades from Buckner and Sanders. They can't have it both ways.
Apr 25, 2020 at 11:39 AM
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by susweel:
Should have just drafted Tristan wirffs a far younger player and cheaper. Williams is a short term solution at a vital position
You can't even spell his name right, stop acting like you have any idea who you're even talking about here.
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Not to worry Susweel !! You would have gotten the same treatment had we drafted any OT in the 1st round and POSTED .. WE SHOULDA TRADED FOR A PROVEN VETERAN EVEN BEING A BIT PRICEY !!
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Apr 25, 2020 at 11:41 AM
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Originally posted by libertyforever:Originally posted by Hoovtrain:Originally posted by NCommand:Originally posted by Hoovtrain:Originally posted by NCommand:Originally posted by AB81Rules:I love ya NC, but c'mon man, they just got the 2nd best DT and a 7 time pro bowl LT, and getting WIrfs would be redundant IMO, he's a RT and RG, we're fine at those, Brunskill is a good player, they know more than we do, people always overreact, no need to do this. We have a great OL IMO, and Kinlaw is a better DT than Taylor or any of the other IDL we have, so I'm happy with this draft/offseason.
If you think an AAF talent in Brunskill is in the same talent level as Wirfs, I'm going to have to slightly disagree with you. Wirfs also gives you the added benefit of keeping top talent at T should McGlinchey go down (he goes down every year with injury).
What does AAF have to do with anything?
Talent level.
Referencing AAF just seems to be a way to try and denigrate the guy. Not all good players are division 1 1st round picks....not even kind of. He proved last year he could play at a high level, so him coming from AAF means absolutely nothing .
Niners just drafted an OT in 5th btw. Not too familiar with him.
We should have drafted a number 1 TE with our 1st round pick. George Kittle is only a 5th round talent.
Lol
Apr 25, 2020 at 11:42 AM
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Is he better than Joe?
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Originally posted by libertyforever:Originally posted by Hoovtrain:Originally posted by NCommand:Originally posted by Hoovtrain:Originally posted by NCommand:Originally posted by AB81Rules:I love ya NC, but c'mon man, they just got the 2nd best DT and a 7 time pro bowl LT, and getting WIrfs would be redundant IMO, he's a RT and RG, we're fine at those, Brunskill is a good player, they know more than we do, people always overreact, no need to do this. We have a great OL IMO, and Kinlaw is a better DT than Taylor or any of the other IDL we have, so I'm happy with this draft/offseason.
If you think an AAF talent in Brunskill is in the same talent level as Wirfs, I'm going to have to slightly disagree with you. Wirfs also gives you the added benefit of keeping top talent at T should McGlinchey go down (he goes down every year with injury).
What does AAF have to do with anything?
Talent level.
Referencing AAF just seems to be a way to try and denigrate the guy. Not all good players are division 1 1st round picks....not even kind of. He proved last year he could play at a high level, so him coming from AAF means absolutely nothing .
Niners just drafted an OT in 5th btw. Not too familiar with him.
We should have drafted a number 1 TE with our 1st round pick. George Kittle is only a 5th round talent.
You are aware there are all levels of talent. Just because he dons a 49er uniform does not mean he has supreme talent. Teams maximize supreme talent to give themselves the best chance to win. Comparing a top 10 talent to Daniel Brunskill is comical...not meant to degrade the player himself. Hard work and dedication will take you far. And he's earned the right to compete against top talent like Wirfs.
Apr 25, 2020 at 11:44 AM
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:Originally posted by susweel:
Should have just drafted Tristan wirffs a far younger player and cheaper. Williams is a short term solution at a vital position
You can't even spell his name right, stop acting like you have any idea who you're even talking about here.
In other words, they love Kinlaw and Aiyuk as replacements. They are far younger and cheaper than Buckner and Samuels.
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Originally posted by NCommand:
If you think an AAF talent in Brunskill is in the same talent level as Wirfs,
In over 400 snaps last season, Brunskill was the best PP among the OL.