Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by RDB4216:It is all hind sight or all of those OL would have been picked earlier by different teams. OL are crap shoots after the first 15 picks. No way you should draft OL high over skill, when you have free agency as an option also
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by RDB4216:that is all hindsight and use of assets (trade)
No one said they wouild have had to use all their assets on the OL, or that it had to be high picks. But the 49ers have seemed to be locked into a certain type of o-lineman, and won't even look at some that are not perceived to be an ideal scheme fit. Even if that means passing up on more talented players. Just based on players that I liked and picks I wanted us to make, along with some moves we could have easily made - my starting line would have been: Trent Williams (trade) - Trey Smith (6th round pick!) - Landon Dickerson (2nd round) - Robert Hunt (2nd round) - Jordan Mailata (7th round!). Who can argue that isn't massivley better than what we have now? What players would we have lost out on? Jaylon Moore, Aaron Banks (Good player, but Dickerson is better), Trey Sermon (LOL), Julian Taylor, and basically Javon Kinlaw. The move I really wanted us to make that year when Tristan Wirfs was there, would have been trading Mcglinchy while we were on the clock. We could have walked out of there with Wirfs and Robert Hunt, instead of Mcglinchy and Kinlaw.
So yeah, when it comes to drafting GOOD o-linemen, I think the 49ers have missed a lot of easy ones because they were too dead set on zone scheme fit.
Trey - Would lose out on Mitchell who was great before injuries
Dickerson - No chance to draft him unless we trade up (assets)
Hunt - Would lose Aiyuk
Mailata - Possible pick.. but we were also in rebuilding mode
Originally posted by RDB4216:while 6th/7th round pick don't make that much in the beginning, they will cost you more later on if they turn into great players.
6th and 7th round players don't start off making $20 million on rookie contracts. The point is about drafting better talent over scheme fit. It's not just these particular players I've liked in the past. Last year I liked Dawand Jones, he went in the 4th. He would blow open holes in the run game to the right side, and not force all of our big runs to be telegraphed behind Trent. 49ers probably didn't even look at him because of his athletic scores. Although he DOES have the speed to get to the second level, he will struggle sometimes. To me better talent + ok scheme fit > perfect scheme fit.
We didn't even have a 4th round pick to get D Jones unless we trade up (assets)
I'm not saying we don't need to upgrade, but we are not at a total loss at OL. Almost every position is set, so we can focus on more OL in the future (as we should)
No, none of it was hindsight. As I said, all were picks and moves I thought we should make "at the time". And I accounted for the assets we would have lost out on, including trades - and that did not include losing Aiyuk. And no we didn't have a 4th last year. I would have taken Jones at the end of the 3rd instead of Latu. The point is, the 49ers pass on quality linemen based on perceived lack of scheme fit. I'd rather draft someone that may struggle to get to the second level sometimes, but can bulldoze a defender into the dirt - than someone who can get downfield, but struggles everywhere else.
Bny your "logic" of later picks costing more later if they turn into great players, then we should just NEVER draft great players because they will "cost more later on". Man, we REALLY screwed up on drafting Brock Purdy then - because he's about to cost a whole lot pretty soon!!
also, there is not one person who will say we're screwed for paying a top QB picked in the 7th than overpaying above average OL picked in the 7th
You might want to look up the word "hindsight". And your exact quote was "while 6th/7th round pick don't make that much in the beginning, they will cost you more later on if they turn into great players." Purdy was a 7th round pick, in case you forgot.
What you can't do is scheme around a defensive weakness. To a certain extent the 49er defense has been weak at the DB squads - and that's been where Patrick has killed us in the big game. 