All Pro OT Trent Williams "Silverback",

Originally posted by JTB1974:
I don't think they have a problem paying Trent, I think the issue is they want to protect themselves incase he decides to retire in the next year or two. Trent probally wants the guaranteed money whether he retires or not and if that's the case, That's a real problem.

Is there a way to fully guarantee the remainder of his contract without extending him? Not sure why that would be an issue

We need this guy back to sharpen the Bosa blade

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
We need this guy back to sharpen the Bosa blade

looks like Bosa sharpened Trent's offseason contract game

The article at the top of the page says Williams and Aiyuk are both comfortable waiting out the 49ers. That's what happens when you're already so well paid that you can financially afford not to work. It seems like the team is comfortable too. I don't blame the 49ers here. This stuff has to stop. If you're under contract then show up and play. Let the agent and the front office handle any upcoming contracts. If you aren't going to honor your existing contract how does the team know you will honor any future agreements.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The article at the top of the page says Williams and Aiyuk are both comfortable waiting out the 49ers. That's what happens when you're already so well paid that you can financially afford not to work. It seems like the team is comfortable too. I don't blame the 49ers here. This stuff has to stop. If you're under contract then show up and play. Let the agent and the front office handle any upcoming contracts. If you aren't going to honor your existing contract how does the team know you will honor any future agreements.

Should the 49ers also not have to "honor the contract" when they decide to cut a player they no longer deem is worthy of the contract they agreed to?

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The article at the top of the page says Williams and Aiyuk are both comfortable waiting out the 49ers. That's what happens when you're already so well paid that you can financially afford not to work. It seems like the team is comfortable too. I don't blame the 49ers here. This stuff has to stop. If you're under contract then show up and play. Let the agent and the front office handle any upcoming contracts. If you aren't going to honor your existing contract how does the team know you will honor any future agreements.

Should the 49ers also not have to "honor the contract" when they decide to cut a player they no longer deem is worthy of the contract they agreed to?

That's why all the talk about APY is dumb. It's always about hype GTD cash. I'd be pumping up APY's with void yrs all the damn time if that's all players cared about

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The article at the top of the page says Williams and Aiyuk are both comfortable waiting out the 49ers. That's what happens when you're already so well paid that you can financially afford not to work. It seems like the team is comfortable too. I don't blame the 49ers here. This stuff has to stop. If you're under contract then show up and play. Let the agent and the front office handle any upcoming contracts. If you aren't going to honor your existing contract how does the team know you will honor any future agreements.

Should the 49ers also not have to "honor the contract" when they decide to cut a player they no longer deem is worthy of the contract they agreed to?

I totally get Trent's position. His career could literally end in the first practice with no guaranteed money. I wish they got on this similar to CMC. As for the Aiyuk situation, they backed themselves into a corner on that one. With so many receiver deals coming up, I'd think it's to your benefit to get your guy signed early.

Bad teams and teams with less mouths to feed can afford to overpay guys. That only hurts a team like us. While I think Deebo is a goner, there's a chance you can try to keep him past 2025. You give Aiyuk 30 million APY and Deebo is absolutely gone because if Aiyuk gets that, Deebo's next contract puts him around 32-33, even if the numbers are fluffed.

TW is only 3 years into his 6 year contract. Come on. He's 36 years old, and Bill Walsh told us 40 years ago that older players get injured more often and for longer than younger players. He was always one to move on from his elder stars before any of us thought wise, but dang, nobody he moved on from Ever played as well for his next team than he had with his career with us.

Hard facts folks, we can't keep paying all our stars a market set by low talent teams. TW will be 39 by the end of his obligations with us. What's the chances that happens without injury or performance drop off? Look at the film. He's already slowed down a bunch. Still very effective, but we're trying to win some Super Bowls here. We can't pay him more when he has three years more on his contract, when pretty much everybody else doesn't. His yearly pay is guaranteed from day one for each season. That has Us hung out enough.

Nobody Ever thinks a star's replacement will match the guy you move on from, and he probably won't, but you have more than 22 starters you have to worry about. It worked for Walsh.

Trent, I hope you play out your contact. If not, I'm sure you will understand we have people to hang on to that have more years to give us.

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The article at the top of the page says Williams and Aiyuk are both comfortable waiting out the 49ers. That's what happens when you're already so well paid that you can financially afford not to work. It seems like the team is comfortable too. I don't blame the 49ers here. This stuff has to stop. If you're under contract then show up and play. Let the agent and the front office handle any upcoming contracts. If you aren't going to honor your existing contract how does the team know you will honor any future agreements.

Should the 49ers also not have to "honor the contract" when they decide to cut a player they no longer deem is worthy of the contract they agreed to?

No, it's whatever is in the contract. The player agrees to the deal, if he want more guarantees in it, he should ask for. Otherwise, he should honor the commitment he made when he signed.
When it comes to Trent, I see no issue with them structuring his contract where year to year it becomes guaranteed. He doesnt miss time, so his year pay should be guaranteed without issue.

Originally posted by steiber:
No, it's whatever is in the contract. The player agrees to the deal, if he want more guarantees in it, he should ask for. Otherwise, he should honor the commitment he made when he signed.
When it comes to Trent, I see no issue with them structuring his contract where year to year it becomes guaranteed. He doesnt miss time, so his year pay should be guaranteed without issue.

The annual contracts of veterans vested with 4 or more years become guaranteed if they are on the 53 on game day week 1.

Originally posted by BOI49er:
TW is only 3 years into his 6 year contract. Come on. He's 36 years old, and Bill Walsh told us 40 years ago that older players get injured more often and for longer than younger players. He was always one to move on from his elder stars before any of us thought wise, but dang, nobody he moved on from Ever played as well for his next team than he had with his career with us.

Hard facts folks, we can't keep paying all our stars a market set by low talent teams. TW will be 39 by the end of his obligations with us. What's the chances that happens without injury or performance drop off? Look at the film. He's already slowed down a bunch. Still very effective, but we're trying to win some Super Bowls here. We can't pay him more when he has three years more on his contract, when pretty much everybody else doesn't. His yearly pay is guaranteed from day one for each season. That has Us hung out enough.

Nobody Ever thinks a star's replacement will match the guy you move on from, and he probably won't, but you have more than 22 starters you have to worry about. It worked for Walsh.

Trent, I hope you play out your contact. If not, I'm sure you will understand we have people to hang on to that have more years to give us.

Agree that Trent is old, but he's still good. I understand that you want ShanaLynch to do the Bill Walsh thing and trade/cut stars before they get old. It's too late with Trent, he's old already. On top of that, the cap has really reduced talent everywhere - and as much as I like the idea of getting rid of a player before he gets old, actually *if* you can retain an older player on the downside of his career - the cap can actually help because free agency is a much bigger factor nowadays vs back in the old non-cap dynasty days.

Foerster likes Burford and Banks, and that surprises me considering Burford's performance in the Super Bowl last year. Puni looks like a keeper too. This is a good OLine this year - with Trent and Feliciano. This is an average OLine without Trent. Ben Bartch and Brandon Parker are my projected surprise Dark Horse candidates on the OLine this year.

I don't think the Niners would be against paying Trent 30M+…if they knew he'd guarantee to play for next 2-3 years, allowing them to place a big signing bonus to stretch out over 5yrs, lowering the cap hit.

If they pay him that and he retires, everything accelerates and a huge chunk of cap gets taken out, hurting us for years after. Just have to find a balance to get his ego fed (which he justly deserves for what he's done with the 49ers) but help cover Niners if he decides to retire after a year.

Does anyone believe the rumor that he was waiting to see if Sewell and Wirfs would crack over 30M so he could get 32M?

Originally posted by Crazy49er1313:
I don't think the Niners would be against paying Trent 30M+…if they knew he'd guarantee to play for next 2-3 years, allowing them to place a big signing bonus to stretch out over 5yrs, lowering the cap hit.

If they pay him that and he retires, everything accelerates and a huge chunk of cap gets taken out, hurting us for years after. Just have to find a balance to get his ego fed (which he justly deserves for what he's done with the 49ers) but help cover Niners if he decides to retire after a year.

Does anyone believe the rumor that he was waiting to see if Sewell and Wirfs would crack over 30M so he could get 32M?

I do. Trent is the best left tackle in football. He's waiting for those other lesser left tackle deals to get done to see his market value - since he's the best. His deal will get done pretty much dead last. Aiyuk same also, he's a good WR. He's waiting for the other WR's deals to get done to squeeze the most he can get from the 49ers. But, I'm confident both deals will get done. 49ers are too desperate to win the super bowl this year - they will pay them.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
TW is only 3 years into his 6 year contract. Come on. He's 36 years old, and Bill Walsh told us 40 years ago that older players get injured more often and for longer than younger players. He was always one to move on from his elder stars before any of us thought wise, but dang, nobody he moved on from Ever played as well for his next team than he had with his career with us.

Hard facts folks, we can't keep paying all our stars a market set by low talent teams. TW will be 39 by the end of his obligations with us. What's the chances that happens without injury or performance drop off? Look at the film. He's already slowed down a bunch. Still very effective, but we're trying to win some Super Bowls here. We can't pay him more when he has three years more on his contract, when pretty much everybody else doesn't. His yearly pay is guaranteed from day one for each season. That has Us hung out enough.

Nobody Ever thinks a star's replacement will match the guy you move on from, and he probably won't, but you have more than 22 starters you have to worry about. It worked for Walsh.

Trent, I hope you play out your contact. If not, I'm sure you will understand we have people to hang on to that have more years to give us.

Agree that Trent is old, but he's still good. I understand that you want ShanaLynch to do the Bill Walsh thing and trade/cut stars before they get old. It's too late with Trent, he's old already. On top of that, the cap has really reduced talent everywhere - and as much as I like the idea of getting rid of a player before he gets old, actually *if* you can retain an older player on the downside of his career - the cap can actually help because free agency is a much bigger factor nowadays vs back in the old non-cap dynasty days.

Foerster likes Burford and Banks, and that surprises me considering Burford's performance in the Super Bowl last year. Puni looks like a keeper too. This is a good OLine this year - with Trent and Feliciano. This is an average OLine without Trent. Ben Bartch and Brandon Parker are my projected surprise Dark Horse candidates on the OLine this year.

I don't want to trade or cut Trent. That's putting words in my mouth. I think I made it clear I want him to play out his contract, and I want us to likewise honor that contract. I don't want to pay him extra to do that, and I wouldn't write him a new one at age 39, and I don't think Walsh would either.

Originally posted by frenchmov:
Should the 49ers also not have to "honor the contract" when they decide to cut a player they no longer deem is worthy of the contract they agreed to?

Both the team and the players honor the contract one could say because as it is written, the team can cut you according to contract whenever they choose and the player can hold out and choose not to be paid according to contract. What we are advocating for is that teams need to do just as we are doing and call these player's bluff and let them sit out and not be paid and play the folk that are here and let the chips fall where they may so that the next player that gets this idea knows that with us you either play or sit but we won't budge.

All of these guys know we have a talented team with a salary cap and that Brock has to be paid because he has been playing at no cost to the salary cap for 3 years now. They want to be paid as if we are Minnesota or the Cardinals because there are no other players playing well there but this is the 49ers. Aiyuk said we can't have a Lambo if we can't afford it and he was rather blunt about it. Well then we need to let him see that we have other guys and we will win with them with or without him as these players need that NFL check more than the NFL needs any individual players.