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Originally posted by lamontb:
Moore has been average at best. Ppl around here tend to call everybody great after a few games. Then the next year when they stink you guys wonder what happened. See Brendal, Burford, and Banks. Moore is not the answer. We need real talent to win a SB especially at LT.
Originally posted by lamontb:Talented LTs are as easy to find as elite QBs and pass rushers
Moore has been average at best. Ppl around here tend to call everybody great after a few games. Then the next year when they stink you guys wonder what happened. See Brendal, Burford, and Banks. Moore is not the answer. We need real talent to win a SB especially at LT.
Originally posted by justjim77:
I didn't see him in Brock's Toyota "commercial". Is he not with the team or too cool to be in the video? Either way it seems he's done.
Originally posted by FlayvaMeister:
Here's what I noticed:
In the video's final frame, it shows Brock with his O-linemen, and a truck with a red bow on top of it.
Excluding Brock, 8 players were shown - yet Brock clearly states there are 5 Sequoia's and 5 Tundra's,
totalling 10 trucks.
So aside from Trent, who else was missing?
Originally posted by 4thandlong:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by billbird2111:Not sure how it's the worst in all of sports
Originally posted by billbird2111:
This will go down as the worst contract in all of sports history.
Told ya
Some might say Deshaun Watson was the worst. But the best LT in the NFL missing the last few games in a lost season makes his contract the worst in all sports I guess. Webzone logic
If he doesn't play again he's missed 7 games which is more than 40% of the season.
he's has leg injuries for the last 2 seasons so at 37yo next season how does it get any better?
Originally posted by billbird2111:Let McGlinch slip away and worst contract in sports history? you're just trolling now
If he doesn't play again he's missed 7 games which is more than 40% of the season.
Correct, but there's another aspect. He was not effective when he was in the lineup. Maybe in the first few games, but his play declined. Rapidly.
he's has leg injuries for the last 2 seasons so at 37yo next season how does it get any better?
No
49ers have not drafted a tackle in the first round since Glinch (2018). They let him slip away in FA. Puni was selected in the third. He's been fine. But, it's not enough. 49ers have ignored this area in the draft since Shanahan arrived. Purdy is getting killed this season because of it. Smaller tackles might do well in the type of running attack the 49ers employ, but they get the QB killed because they cannot pass block.
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by billbird2111:Let McGlinch slip away and worst contract in sports history? you're just trolling now
If he doesn't play again he's missed 7 games which is more than 40% of the season.
Correct, but there's another aspect. He was not effective when he was in the lineup. Maybe in the first few games, but his play declined. Rapidly.
he's has leg injuries for the last 2 seasons so at 37yo next season how does it get any better?
No
49ers have not drafted a tackle in the first round since Glinch (2018). They let him slip away in FA. Puni was selected in the third. He's been fine. But, it's not enough. 49ers have ignored this area in the draft since Shanahan arrived. Purdy is getting killed this season because of it. Smaller tackles might do well in the type of running attack the 49ers employ, but they get the QB killed because they cannot pass block.
Last years line towards the end of the season was playing pretty well, until Feliciano injured his pec at the worst possible time. Feli did boot this OL. Fast forward to camp, Feli moved Center and we drafted a stud at Guard. The line would have been Trent - Banks - Feli - Puni - Mck.
Holdouts and injuries before the season started decimated any chance of having one of our best OL in the KS era. Brendal falling off the earth compromised everyone in the offense.
We've been drafting/signing OL every year. I had a count of close to 70 guys that we've brought in the KS era. To say we just ignored it, is false.
Originally posted by TD49ers:I never said it has been enough, i'm saying it hasn't been ignored like some like to pretend. You think every team's OL is filled with first rounders. Picking OL in the first round and hitting on that pick isn't easy.
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by billbird2111:Let McGlinch slip away and worst contract in sports history? you're just trolling now
If he doesn't play again he's missed 7 games which is more than 40% of the season.
Correct, but there's another aspect. He was not effective when he was in the lineup. Maybe in the first few games, but his play declined. Rapidly.
he's has leg injuries for the last 2 seasons so at 37yo next season how does it get any better?
No
49ers have not drafted a tackle in the first round since Glinch (2018). They let him slip away in FA. Puni was selected in the third. He's been fine. But, it's not enough. 49ers have ignored this area in the draft since Shanahan arrived. Purdy is getting killed this season because of it. Smaller tackles might do well in the type of running attack the 49ers employ, but they get the QB killed because they cannot pass block.
Last years line towards the end of the season was playing pretty well, until Feliciano injured his pec at the worst possible time. Feli did boot this OL. Fast forward to camp, Feli moved Center and we drafted a stud at Guard. The line would have been Trent - Banks - Feli - Puni - Mck.
Holdouts and injuries before the season started decimated any chance of having one of our best OL in the KS era. Brendal falling off the earth compromised everyone in the offense.
We've been drafting/signing OL every year. I had a count of close to 70 guys that we've brought in the KS era. To say we just ignored it, is false.
Whether you think the OL has been resourced enough or not is a secondary arguement anyways. It still stinks.
70.....from the XFL. So out of the 70, how many were 1-3 rds and high profile FAs. It funny, Forrester said out loud that the draft philosophy by 49ers management should be hands on balls when asked about the lack of valued pics and resources on the OL.
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by TD49ers:I never said it has been enough, i'm saying it hasn't been ignored like some like to pretend. You think every team's OL is filled with first rounders. Picking OL in the first round and hitting on that pick isn't easy.
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by billbird2111:Let McGlinch slip away and worst contract in sports history? you're just trolling now
If he doesn't play again he's missed 7 games which is more than 40% of the season.
Correct, but there's another aspect. He was not effective when he was in the lineup. Maybe in the first few games, but his play declined. Rapidly.
he's has leg injuries for the last 2 seasons so at 37yo next season how does it get any better?
No
49ers have not drafted a tackle in the first round since Glinch (2018). They let him slip away in FA. Puni was selected in the third. He's been fine. But, it's not enough. 49ers have ignored this area in the draft since Shanahan arrived. Purdy is getting killed this season because of it. Smaller tackles might do well in the type of running attack the 49ers employ, but they get the QB killed because they cannot pass block.
Last years line towards the end of the season was playing pretty well, until Feliciano injured his pec at the worst possible time. Feli did boot this OL. Fast forward to camp, Feli moved Center and we drafted a stud at Guard. The line would have been Trent - Banks - Feli - Puni - Mck.
Holdouts and injuries before the season started decimated any chance of having one of our best OL in the KS era. Brendal falling off the earth compromised everyone in the offense.
We've been drafting/signing OL every year. I had a count of close to 70 guys that we've brought in the KS era. To say we just ignored it, is false.
Whether you think the OL has been resourced enough or not is a secondary arguement anyways. It still stinks.
70.....from the XFL. So out of the 70, how many were 1-3 rds and high profile FAs. It funny, Forrester said out loud that the draft philosophy by 49ers management should be hands on balls when asked about the lack of valued pics and resources on the OL.
I think you have to have a top 5 pick to get a guaranteed stud at OL, after that is a crapshoot. With that, i rather go DL or skill players. I don't remember reading that Forester saying it's a draft philosophy, but it is their philosophy. But that Philosophy isn't set in stone as we have gone OL in the first, 2nd and 3rd rounds.
The last couple of years we have been drafting more OL as we have taken care of other areas and OL has moved up the list. If we can't get any starting OL through FA, we should draft more OL again.
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
I never said it has been enough, i'm saying it hasn't been ignored like some like to pretend. You think every team's OL is filled with first rounders. Picking OL in the first round and hitting on that pick isn't easy.
I think you have to have a top 5 pick to get a guaranteed stud at OL, after that is a crapshoot. With that, i rather go DL or skill players. I don't remember reading that Forester saying it's a draft philosophy, but it is their philosophy. But that Philosophy isn't set in stone as we have gone OL in the first, 2nd and 3rd rounds.
The last couple of years we have been drafting more OL as we have taken care of other areas and OL has moved up the list. If we can't get any starting OL through FA, we should draft more OL again.
Originally posted by billbird2111:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
I never said it has been enough, i'm saying it hasn't been ignored like some like to pretend. You think every team's OL is filled with first rounders. Picking OL in the first round and hitting on that pick isn't easy.
I think you have to have a top 5 pick to get a guaranteed stud at OL, after that is a crapshoot. With that, i rather go DL or skill players. I don't remember reading that Forester saying it's a draft philosophy, but it is their philosophy. But that Philosophy isn't set in stone as we have gone OL in the first, 2nd and 3rd rounds.
The last couple of years we have been drafting more OL as we have taken care of other areas and OL has moved up the list. If we can't get any starting OL through FA, we should draft more OL again.
Let me rephrase. When I made the statement that the 49ers had invested little in the offensive line, I meant draft picks. Shanahan and Lynch have only invested ONE 1st round pick in a lineman and that was Glinch. He was a tremendous run blocker, but very average in pass protection. Thus, the team made a financial decision to let him walk.
You have made the claim that the 49ers have signed "dozens of guys at OL," and I will not dispute that. But these are not draft picks. These are guys who just were not good enough to be taken in a 7 round draft.
What I do dispute is your assertion that quality tackles must be taken with the first five picks in the draft. Really? That must be a joke. Joe Staley was taken with the 28th pick in the 1st round of the 2007 draft. Not the Top 5. Not the Top 10. 28th. He held down that LT spot for 13 seasons. There are more examples, but I just gave you the most recent.
Horrible line play isn't the only reason the 49ers have stumbled this season. But it IS one of the reasons. The running game hasn't been consistent. Nor has the passing game. When both phases of an offense stumble, it is a direct indictment of the OL. There has not been ONE draft where Shanahan has taken a tackle with the 1st round pick and another tackle with the 2nd round pick. Over his tenure he has invested high picks on RB's, receivers, DL, etc.
Shanahan is still a master of this game. But his creative offenses will go nowhere until he starts investing high picks in the OL.
Originally posted by billbird2111:McGlinch was the zone's whipping boy and well deserved. He was bad until his contract year. No way would you extend a guy like that
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
I never said it has been enough, i'm saying it hasn't been ignored like some like to pretend. You think every team's OL is filled with first rounders. Picking OL in the first round and hitting on that pick isn't easy.
I think you have to have a top 5 pick to get a guaranteed stud at OL, after that is a crapshoot. With that, i rather go DL or skill players. I don't remember reading that Forester saying it's a draft philosophy, but it is their philosophy. But that Philosophy isn't set in stone as we have gone OL in the first, 2nd and 3rd rounds.
The last couple of years we have been drafting more OL as we have taken care of other areas and OL has moved up the list. If we can't get any starting OL through FA, we should draft more OL again.
Let me rephrase. When I made the statement that the 49ers had invested little in the offensive line, I meant draft picks. Shanahan and Lynch have only invested ONE 1st round pick in a lineman and that was Glinch. He was a tremendous run blocker, but very average in pass protection. Thus, the team made a financial decision to let him walk.
You have made the claim that the 49ers have signed "dozens of guys at OL," and I will not dispute that. But these are not draft picks. These are guys who just were not good enough to be taken in a 7 round draft.
What I do dispute is your assertion that quality tackles must be taken with the first five picks in the draft. Really? That must be a joke. Joe Staley was taken with the 28th pick in the 1st round of the 2007 draft. Not the Top 5. Not the Top 10. 28th. He held down that LT spot for 13 seasons. There are more examples, but I just gave you the most recent.
Horrible line play isn't the only reason the 49ers have stumbled this season. But it IS one of the reasons. The running game hasn't been consistent. Nor has the passing game. When both phases of an offense stumble, it is a direct indictment of the OL. There has not been ONE draft where Shanahan has taken a tackle with the 1st round pick and another tackle with the 2nd round pick. Over his tenure he has invested high picks on RB's, receivers, DL, etc.
Shanahan is still a master of this game. But his creative offenses will go nowhere until he starts investing high picks in the OL.
Originally posted by billbird2111:
If he doesn't play again he's missed 7 games which is more than 40% of the season.
Correct, but there's another aspect. He was not effective when he was in the lineup. Maybe in the first few games, but his play declined. Rapidly.
he's has leg injuries for the last 2 seasons so at 37yo next season how does it get any better?
No
49ers have not drafted a tackle in the first round since Glinch (2018). They let him slip away in FA. Puni was selected in the third. He's been fine. But, it's not enough. 49ers have ignored this area in the draft since Shanahan arrived. Purdy is getting killed this season because of it. Smaller tackles might do well in the type of running attack the 49ers employ, but they get the QB killed because they cannot pass block.