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Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Originally posted by 9NERNATE:
Can't franchise tag Trent. Hope we make something work long term.

If the report was true that he came to the team to play for Shanny, then working out a deal certainly makes sense.

Imma be honest, I think this news of us not being able to franchise him means that he's likely gonna be too expensive to work a deal out. This makes me think Trent Williams will be a one year rental. I hope I'm wrong, i have serious doubts a long-term deal getting done. Remember, we still gotta get Kittle's deal done too.
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Originally posted by 9NERNATE:
Can't franchise tag Trent. Hope we make something work long term.

If the report was true that he came to the team to play for Shanny, then working out a deal certainly makes sense.

Imma be honest, I think this news of us not being able to franchise him means that he's likely gonna be too expensive to work a deal out. This makes me think Trent Williams will be a one year rental. I hope I'm wrong, i have serious doubts a long-term deal getting done. Remember, we still gotta get Kittle's deal done too.

Dude is banking on himself. He'll go to the highest bidder next year. Book it.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Originally posted by 9NERNATE:
Can't franchise tag Trent. Hope we make something work long term.

If the report was true that he came to the team to play for Shanny, then working out a deal certainly makes sense.

Imma be honest, I think this news of us not being able to franchise him means that he's likely gonna be too expensive to work a deal out. This makes me think Trent Williams will be a one year rental. I hope I'm wrong, i have serious doubts a long-term deal getting done. Remember, we still gotta get Kittle's deal done too.

Dude is banking on himself. He'll go to the highest bidder next year. Book it.

That makes financial sense but I'm hopeful dudes like Trent will do what they need to to keep playing for Kyle. For Trent that probably means below market value. Maybe he will enjoy winning again and be willing to do something like that. Worse case we get a likely 3rd round comp pick back.
[ Edited by walker807 on Jun 23, 2020 at 10:01 AM ]
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Originally posted by 9NERNATE:
Can't franchise tag Trent. Hope we make something work long term.

If the report was true that he came to the team to play for Shanny, then working out a deal certainly makes sense.

Imma be honest, I think this news of us not being able to franchise him means that he's likely gonna be too expensive to work a deal out. This makes me think Trent Williams will be a one year rental. I hope I'm wrong, i have serious doubts a long-term deal getting done. Remember, we still gotta get Kittle's deal done too.

Dude is banking on himself. He'll go to the highest bidder next year. Book it.

Exactly!! This is why I'm thinking he'll be a one year rental. Him demanding to have a no-tag clause in his re-worked deal indicates to me that he's seeking to break some teams bank, and I just don't see Paraag Marathe negotiating any bank-breaking deal. The only way I see a long-term deal happening is if it's heavily back-loaded so the team can cut him to prevent a balloon payment (which I'm sure is something Williams won't fall for), or Trent Williams gives the 49ers a discount (which is highly unlikely).
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Originally posted by walker807:
That makes financial sense but I'm hopeful dudes like Trent will do what they need to to keep playing for Kyle. For Trent that probably means below market value. Maybe he will enjoy winning again and be willing to do something like that. Worse case we get a likely 3rd round comp pick back.

It would be a 5th round comp pick because TW has 10 years in the NFL. That's the rule.

https://overthecap.com/the-basics-and-methodology-of-projecting-the-nfls-compensatory-draft-picks/
Players who have ten or more accrued seasons may only yield a maximum of a 5th round compensatory pick, even if their actual value would otherwise be assigned higher. See Alan Faneca in 2009, who only awarded Pittsburgh with a 5th round pick instead of a 3rd despite his contract, playing time, and postseason honors.
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Originally posted by 9NERNATE:
Can't franchise tag Trent. Hope we make something work long term.

If the report was true that he came to the team to play for Shanny, then working out a deal certainly makes sense.

Imma be honest, I think this news of us not being able to franchise him means that he's likely gonna be too expensive to work a deal out. This makes me think Trent Williams will be a one year rental. I hope I'm wrong, i have serious doubts a long-term deal getting done. Remember, we still gotta get Kittle's deal done too.

Dude is banking on himself. He'll go to the highest bidder next year. Book it.

Exactly!! This is why I'm thinking he'll be a one year rental. Him demanding to have a no-tag clause in his re-worked deal indicates to me that he's seeking to break some teams bank, and I just don't see Paraag Marathe negotiating any bank-breaking deal. The only way I see a long-term deal happening is if it's heavily back-loaded so the team can cut him to prevent a balloon payment (which I'm sure is something Williams won't fall for), or Trent Williams gives the 49ers a discount (which is highly unlikely).

Hopefully it works out but this was probably just a stop gap deal in the end. But hopefully they can make a deal. But he's got some lost revenue to make up for.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Originally posted by 9NERNATE:
Can't franchise tag Trent. Hope we make something work long term.

If the report was true that he came to the team to play for Shanny, then working out a deal certainly makes sense.

Imma be honest, I think this news of us not being able to franchise him means that he's likely gonna be too expensive to work a deal out. This makes me think Trent Williams will be a one year rental. I hope I'm wrong, i have serious doubts a long-term deal getting done. Remember, we still gotta get Kittle's deal done too.

Dude is banking on himself. He'll go to the highest bidder next year. Book it.

I think I'm being optimistic here and I think we extend him. Two reasons - 1) we front loaded him a lot of money 2) contract says we can't franchise him.

To me that shows the Niners want him here for awhile. If he was here for the rental, why even do those two things stated above. They have no incentives doing that.
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Let's win lots of games and have fun doing it. Hopefully that brings TW's asking price down a tad on an extension. Otherwise left tackle in 2021 is going to be an adventure.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Hopefully it works out but this was probably just a stop gap deal in the end. But hopefully they can make a deal. But he's got some lost revenue to make up for.

I don't buy that at all.

SF has extended multiple olive branches to him now. Kyle and TW have mutual respect for each other and I'll bet he actually wants to win for a change.

As long SF offers him a legit deal, I don't doubt he signs it.
not sure if its' been brought up, but what if this season is cancelled, does that mean we lose out on everything contract wise ? possibly losing TW without even playing one snap ?
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
not sure if its' been brought up, but what if this season is cancelled, does that mean we lose out on everything contract wise ? possibly losing TW without even playing one snap ?

No I don't think so...they have to accrue an actual season to have it count as a yr towards their contract.

If there's no season, there's no accrued yr to their contracts.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
not sure if its' been brought up, but what if this season is cancelled, does that mean we lose out on everything contract wise ? possibly losing TW without even playing one snap ?

No I don't think so...they have to accrue an actual season to have it count as a yr towards their contract.

If there's no season, there's no accrued yr to their contracts.
From a fan POV i thought the same, but these guys don't get paid if they are not playing. I don't think that will go well with the players and NFLPA
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
not sure if its' been brought up, but what if this season is cancelled, does that mean we lose out on everything contract wise ? possibly losing TW without even playing one snap ?

No I don't think so...they have to accrue an actual season to have it count as a yr towards their contract.

If there's no season, there's no accrued yr to their contracts.
From a fan POV i thought the same, but these guys don't get paid if they are not playing. I don't think that will go well with the players and NFLPA

here's an explanation of it

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/this-is-what-happens-if-there-is-no-2020-nfl-season/ar-BB11V21m

PAYMENT. Unless this contract or any collective bargaining agreement in existence during the term of this contract specifically provides otherwise, Player will be paid 100% of his yearly salary under this contract in equal weekly or biweekly installments over the course of a 34- or 36-week period during any of the applicable 2021 through 2029 League Years, commencing with the first regular season game played by Club in each season. In the 2030 League Year, if applicable, Player will be paid 100% of his yearly salary under this contract in equal weekly or biweekly installments over the course of the applicable regular season, commencing with the first regular season game played by Club in such season. Unless this contract specifically provides otherwise, if this contract is executed or Player is activated after the beginning of the regular season, the yearly salary payable to Player will be reduced proportionately and Player will be paid the weekly or biweekly portions of his yearly salary becoming due and payable after he is activated. Unless this contract specifically provides otherwise, if this contract is terminated after the beginning of the regular season, the yearly salary payable to Player will be reduced proportionately and Player will be paid the weekly or bi weekly portions of his yearly salary having become due and payable up to the time of termination.

The short version is that under player contracts teams are only required to beginning paying players once the regular season starts. If the regular season never starts, teams never become obligated to pay the players.

What that means to me is that if there is any indication that the season could be jeopardized by COVID-19 come July when training camps are set to open, the league would probably opt to delay starting the season in order to delay contractual obligations to players kicking in.

I mean that's just how it rolls, like any other job if you're not working you don't get paid
I don't know why fans are surprised anymore when these guys leave for more money. Players with team loyalty like Brady had for years or Staley had are getting rarer all the time. The money that gets thrown around now for free agents makes it really hard to turn down in a sport that has such a short career.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Hopefully it works out but this was probably just a stop gap deal in the end. But hopefully they can make a deal. But he's got some lost revenue to make up for.

I don't buy that at all.

SF has extended multiple olive branches to him now. Kyle and TW have mutual respect for each other and I'll bet he actually wants to win for a change.

As long SF offers him a legit deal, I don't doubt he signs it.

Which unfortunately means squat once someone offers him $20M APY. Getting out of the FT gives him the bidding war option.

Sure, like Emmanuel Sanders, he'd love to play here but if we ain't paying 'their' idea of worth, they're outta here.
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