All Pro OT Trent Williams "Silverback",

Originally posted by NCommand:

Which unfortunately means squat once someone offers him $20M APY. Getting out of the FT gives him the bidding war option.

Sure, like Emmanuel Sanders, he'd love to play here but if we ain't paying 'their' idea of worth, they're outta here.

You don't think Minn was already offering him a multi yr deal with some big numbers? I'll bet money they did. Yates in his tweet said the goal is for BOTH sides to get a LT deal done.

Sanders wasn't drafted by Kyle. He didn't play with kyle prior to this yr. He's a couple yrs older and guess what, they had a plan at that position along with having young talent there. Outside of the mid season trade for Sanders they've given contracts to all their other traded players.

What position does kyle and his dad value a f**k ton? Tackle...if Trent does well this yr they will do everything in their power to make sure he ends his career in SF. So far they've taken steps to make that happen imo.

We must extend Kittle obviously but if we also extend TW I think we won´t have cap space to extend valuable young guys like Warner, K´Waun and maybe McGlinchey because giving 20 or almost 20M per year to Kittle + TW is going to leave us out of ammo for the other guys.

Also Tartt and Sherman are gonna be FA´s.

I know Kittle is gonna get signed sooner or later but Kyle, Lynch and Paraag will have t think if TW worths more to the team than the other guys that will need contracts soon.

Just imagine that Warner plays at an All-Pro level this season (if there is a season) and wants to be the best paid MLB of the league making around 19 or 20M per year and TW also plays at an All-Pro level and wants the same money than Tunsil is making or even more. What should we do?

I know that the tackle position is highly valued by Kyle and basically all the teams but again I don´t know if keeping TW for a long time is better for the team than keeping Warner and the other players.

They want the money make no mistake. However, sometimes a player may take less than they could get if, in Trent's case, he was on a losing organization that treated him badly. If he goes to a winning organization that he also has fun with. How a team makes up for it is the key, that being the guaranteed money.

He and Kittle are on different trajectories, Kittle is young and has been having fun with a good organization. He may look at it as he will make money and get as much as he can cause he may feel/assume anywhere he chooses, he will go to an organization that is like the niners and have the same level of everything. If he is lucky he will, if not, they realize what a mistake it was to have left-at the end of their career. Tom Brady was winning and making money-but it got to the point where he was not having fun.

Just like those who win or been to the superbowl, don't realize how hard it is to get back there even though they heard the stories, naw not going to happen to me/us.

You hear it many times when they have those stories on NFL network.

Of course you have those that only want the money and attention - but really are not committed to winning as they claim to be.

If TW has a great year he isn´t going to ask anything less than 20M per year bucause at 31 yrs old he is relatively young for the position.

Not all the players are gonna sign team-friendly deals.

Originally posted by Monsterniner:

We must extend Kittle obviously but if we also extend TW I think we won´t have cap space to extend valuable young guys like Warner, K´Waun and maybe McGlinchey because giving 20 or almost 20M per year to Kittle + TW is going to leave us out of ammo for the other guys.

Also Tartt and Sherman are gonna be FA´s.

I know Kittle is gonna get signed sooner or later but Kyle, Lynch and Paraag will have t think if TW worths more to the team than the other guys that will need contracts soon.

Just imagine that Warner plays at an All-Pro level this season (if there is a season) and wants to be the best paid MLB of the league making around 19 or 20M per year and TW also plays at an All-Pro level and wants the same money than Tunsil is making or even more. What should we do?

I know that the tackle position is highly valued by Kyle and basically all the teams but again I don´t know if keeping TW for a long time is better for the team than keeping Warner and the other players.

They can pay Kittle, TW, Warner etc...that might mean Kwon and Ford have to go. Toss in restructuring Jimmy G (save a s**t ton).

All the other names you brought up shouldn't take precedent over a Top LT.

Originally posted by Monsterniner:

If TW has a great year he isn´t going to ask anything less than 20M per year bucause at 31 yrs old he is relatively young for the position.

Not all the players are gonna sign team-friendly deals.

There's only one LT touching anything close to a $20M per and Tunsil is 26. He actually will only start to have a $20M+ cap hit in 2022 and at that point Houston can cut him if they want.

I can see TW getting a 3 yr deal that's around $15M per.

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
We must extend Kittle obviously but if we also extend TW I think we won´t have cap space to extend valuable young guys like Warner, K´Waun and maybe McGlinchey because giving 20 or almost 20M per year to Kittle + TW is going to leave us out of ammo for the other guys.

Also Tartt and Sherman are gonna be FA´s.

I know Kittle is gonna get signed sooner or later but Kyle, Lynch and Paraag will have t think if TW worths more to the team than the other guys that will need contracts soon.

Just imagine that Warner plays at an All-Pro level this season (if there is a season) and wants to be the best paid MLB of the league making around 19 or 20M per year and TW also plays at an All-Pro level and wants the same money than Tunsil is making or even more. What should we do?

I know that the tackle position is highly valued by Kyle and basically all the teams but again I don´t know if keeping TW for a long time is better for the team than keeping Warner and the other players.

1. This is why Joey Bosa in 2021 is unrealistic.

2. I have no doubt the 49ers will retain their core players(Kittle, TW, KW, Sherm, Juice) after 2020, Warner won't be due till 2021, McGlinchey still has his 5th yr option for 2022.

3. They can create cap room by cutting or redoing deals like Jimmy, Kwon, and Dee. Also they could redo AA if need be.

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
If TW has a great year he isn´t going to ask anything less than 20M per year bucause at 31 yrs old he is relatively young for the position.

Not all the players are gonna sign team-friendly deals.

History shows players will sign team friendly deals if they want to be here, Sherm, Quaski, and many others who are FAs in years to come have signed team friendly deals.

Originally posted by WildBill:

They want the money make no mistake. However, sometimes a player may take less than they could get if, in Trent's case, he was on a losing organization that treated him badly. If he goes to a winning organization that he also has fun with. How a team makes up for it is the key, that being the guaranteed money.

He and Kittle are on different trajectories, Kittle is young and has been having fun with a good organization. He may look at it as he will make money and get as much as he can cause he may feel/assume anywhere he chooses, he will go to an organization that is like the niners and have the same level of everything. If he is lucky he will, if not, they realize what a mistake it was to have left-at the end of their career. Tom Brady was winning and making money-but it got to the point where he was not having fun.

Just like those who win or been to the superbowl, don't realize how hard it is to get back there even though they heard the stories, naw not going to happen to me/us.

You hear it many times when they have those stories on NFL network.

Of course you have those that only want the money and attention - but really are not committed to winning as they claim to be.

Nice post WildBill

Didn´t they trade Buckner because they couldn´t afford him and they had to choose between Buck and Arik?

Paraag is very good but he´s not a magician to keep every good player we have. Good teams have to choose between good players because they can´t afford everyone.

Belichik has traded his best pass-rushers like Seymour, Jones and let Flowers walk because he wants an elite secondary and they can´t have en elite pass-rush with an elite secondary at the same time.

We can assume that all our players are very nice and want to wear red and gold for the rest of their careers and they´ll sign team-friendly deals all the time because they love Kyle and the Bay Area but reality is different because players are on this for the money and their careers are so short that they have to make all the money they can when they are on their prime.

I´d love seeing all our good players wearing red and gold forever but that´s not a realistic scenario because as we just saw, Buckner got traded because he was gonna be too expensive and we have to sign other players.

Get a good coach, pay good money to SOME players and draft well.

Keeping this roster intact for the next 5 years is a wishful thinking.

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Originally posted by Monsterniner:
Didn´t they trade Buckner because they couldn´t afford him and they had to choose between Buck and Arik?

Paraag is very good but he´s not a magician to keep every good player we have. Good teams have to choose between good players because they can´t afford everyone.

Belichik has traded his best pass-rushers like Seymour, Jones and let Flowers walk because he wants an elite secondary and they can´t have en elite pass-rush with an elite secondary at the same time.

We can assume that all our players are very nice and want to wear red and gold for the rest of their careers and they´ll sign team-friendly deals all the time because they love Kyle and the Bay Area but reality is different because players are on this for the money and their careers are so short that they have to make all the money they can when they are on their prime.

I´d love seeing all our good players wearing red and gold forever but that´s not a realistic scenario because as we just saw, Buckner got traded because he was gonna be too expensive and we have to sign other players.

Get a good coach, pay good money to SOME players and draft well.

Keeping this roster intact for the next 5 years is a wishful thinking.

Could you imagine Buckner and Kinlaw together?

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by Monsterniner:

If TW has a great year he isn´t going to ask anything less than 20M per year bucause at 31 yrs old he is relatively young for the position.

Not all the players are gonna sign team-friendly deals.

History shows players will sign team friendly deals if they want to be here, Sherm, Quaski, and many others who are FAs in years to come have signed team friendly deals.

Ward this off season...

Originally posted by Monsterniner:

Didn´t they trade Buckner because they couldn´t afford him and they had to choose between Buck and Arik?

Paraag is very good but he´s not a magician to keep every good player we have. Good teams have to choose between good players because they can´t afford everyone.

Belichik has traded his best pass-rushers like Seymour, Jones and let Flowers walk because he wants an elite secondary and they can´t have en elite pass-rush with an elite secondary at the same time.

We can assume that all our players are very nice and want to wear red and gold for the rest of their careers and they´ll sign team-friendly deals all the time because they love Kyle and the Bay Area but reality is different because players are on this for the money and their careers are so short that they have to make all the money they can when they are on their prime.

I´d love seeing all our good players wearing red and gold forever but that´s not a realistic scenario because as we just saw, Buckner got traded because he was gonna be too expensive and we have to sign other players.

Get a good coach, pay good money to SOME players and draft well.

Keeping this roster intact for the next 5 years is a wishful thinking.

They spent a yr trying to extend Buck, they chose AA over Buck because AA was less fully GTD cash and is under contract for 6 yrs. They could have taken Buck over AA, BUT they didn't feel he was worth that cash and like you said have other good young players to pay. Buck's a better player but IMO AA has shown he can play at a high level. Kinlaw/AA > Buck (and I love Buck).

Seymour played in NE for 8 yrs (in his prime) BB paid him, not sure why you're bringing up that? Flowers was overrated. C Jones is a stud but that D didn't skip a beat... Like you said they simply value secondary to DL, same with Kyle he values great tackles, guards not so much.

Now COVID f**ked some s**t up, BUT they will get TV rights figured out, gambling and streaming rights as well. There is more ways to bring in revenue then ever. That is supposedly going to bump up the cap by $40M, it will be delayed by a yr or so IMO.

Not sure why you think they can't trade/cut/restructure some players to pay some other guys? Paraag has rip cords in a lot of his deals.

Kwon is gone in 2021 IMO (post june 1st cut/trade) saves $13.4M in 2021.That cash goes to Warner.
Gould is gone in 2021 save like $3.75
IF JG plays well, why not restructure him? Looks like something around $12M in cap savings
IF Ford can't get on the field they can save $12.8M

The cap is projected to be at $215M in 2021 (for the sake of argument we will leave it at that). With no changes they already have $50M in space. Toss in the names I brought up and that number goes up to, over $90M in cap space. That's some cash to work with.

I believe they will keep their core guys on this roster for the next 3-5 yrs. They don't have a reason why they can't.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
Didn´t they trade Buckner because they couldn´t afford him and they had to choose between Buck and Arik?

Paraag is very good but he´s not a magician to keep every good player we have. Good teams have to choose between good players because they can´t afford everyone.

Belichik has traded his best pass-rushers like Seymour, Jones and let Flowers walk because he wants an elite secondary and they can´t have en elite pass-rush with an elite secondary at the same time.

We can assume that all our players are very nice and want to wear red and gold for the rest of their careers and they´ll sign team-friendly deals all the time because they love Kyle and the Bay Area but reality is different because players are on this for the money and their careers are so short that they have to make all the money they can when they are on their prime.

I´d love seeing all our good players wearing red and gold forever but that´s not a realistic scenario because as we just saw, Buckner got traded because he was gonna be too expensive and we have to sign other players.

Get a good coach, pay good money to SOME players and draft well.

Keeping this roster intact for the next 5 years is a wishful thinking.

They spent a yr trying to extend Buck, they chose AA over Buck because AA was less fully GTD cash and is under contract for 6 yrs. They could have taken Buck over AA, BUT they didn't feel he was worth that cash and like you said have other good young players to pay. Buck's a better player but IMO AA has shown he can play at a high level. Kinlaw/AA > Buck (and I love Buck).

Seymour played in NE for 8 yrs (in his prime) BB paid him, not sure why you're bringing up that? Flowers was overrated. C Jones is a stud but that D didn't skip a beat... Like you said they simply value secondary to DL, same with Kyle he values great tackles, guards not so much.

Now COVID f**ked some s**t up, BUT they will get TV rights figured out, gambling and streaming rights as well. There is more ways to bring in revenue then ever. That is supposedly going to bump up the cap by $40M, it will be delayed by a yr or so IMO.

Not sure why you think they can't trade/cut/restructure some players to pay some other guys? Paraag has rip cords in a lot of his deals.

Kwon is gone in 2021 IMO (post june 1st cut/trade) saves $13.4M in 2021.That cash goes to Warner.
Gould is gone in 2021 save like $3.75
IF JG plays well, why not restructure him? Looks like something around $12M in cap savings
IF Ford can't get on the field they can save $12.8M

The cap is projected to be at $215M in 2021 (for the sake of argument we will leave it at that). With no changes they already have $50M in space. Toss in the names I brought up and that number goes up to, over $90M in cap space. That's some cash to work with.

I believe they will keep their core guys on this roster for the next 3-5 yrs. They don't have a reason why they can't.

I don't think they're gonna cut Kwon yet, he'll get restructured again, if the cap goes way down, they're gonna need to redo as many deals as possible, cause June 1 cuts won't help till June 2nd way after FA is over.

I think Gould stays if he plays well. Extend JG and lower his salary in 2021.