All Pro OT Trent Williams "Silverback",

Originally posted by NCommand:

I'll just really going to enjoy him this year.

After those comments there's no way you can say he's only gonna be here for a yr

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
I know we don't use 3 LBs a lot, but having 3 studs is worth the money IMO

Gould, has to have his contract option picked up by week 17 this year, or he's a FA, so cutting him doesn't really save much, as he gets a GTD portion of his contract.

I'd much rather give that cash to someone who's gonna play and not waste Dre's cheap rookie yrs.

If they can move Kwon after this yr and use that money for a true starter (or put towards Warner) I'm all for it.

Thanks for the Gould info...I of course don't know half as much as you do about the cap

Just curious why we never had issues with Willis and Bowman? Was it because Willis retired early?

I can see the Oline film breakdowns competing with the All22 gameday breakowns because of Williams lol

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
I know we don't use 3 LBs a lot, but having 3 studs is worth the money IMO

Gould, has to have his contract option picked up by week 17 this year, or he's a FA, so cutting him doesn't really save much, as he gets a GTD portion of his contract.

I'd much rather give that cash to someone who's gonna play and not waste Dre's cheap rookie yrs.

If they can move Kwon after this yr and use that money for a true starter (or put towards Warner) I'm all for it.

Thanks for the Gould info...I of course don't know half as much as you do about the cap

Just curious why we never had issues with Willis and Bowman? Was it because Willis retired early?

NY would cut Willis because Borland played great and would be cheaper

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Just curious why we never had issues with Willis and Bowman? Was it because Willis retired early?

Because they weren't really paying anyone else on the team at that point also I think Willis signed his deal like 3 yrs before Bow did his...

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
NY would cut Willis because Borland played great and would be cheaper

LOL yup cause Kwon is Wills dude couldn't hold Willis' jock strap

Kwon has missed 22 games the past 3 seasons....gross.

Come next yr hope that sentiment remains,

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

i've been telling NY about not cutting Kwon

We don't play 3 LBers enough to pay Kwon the cash he's getting...you want Dre to ride the pine? Let's take advantage of that cheap 5th rd contract.

Much rather invest that money elsewhere or at the very least give it to Warner. They can't pay two LBers top money imo. Not with all the other positions that need cash too

We will need those 3 when playing against Seattle x2, philly, buff, Dallas.

If we didn't have greenlaw last year we would have lost a few more games. that 3rd LB was a blessing and still is

Yessir. We had 4 backups at DT and ended up needing 6. I know Kwon is expensive but once he came that pass across the gut just flat azz stopped. But we gotta have backups or we are deaaad. OL...holy cow. DBs...yikes...dL already noted...RBs...glad we had multiples, TEs...thank God for Dwelley and Tololo. LBs couldn't escape the injury issue, and didn't. Can't make the case any better than that.....oh, and we got a guy as QB #2 who can come in and run this O. We are backed up like nobody else i can think of...and still last yr it wasn't enough with Dee, our C, our OTs, our OGs, ,DBs, RBs, WRs all getting dinged. Almost...but not quite. I really like what JL did for the team and backups/rotational players.

Healthy we win last yr.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Yessir. We had 4 backups at DT and ended up needing 6. I know Kwon is expensive but once he came that pass across the gut just flat azz stopped. But we gotta have backups or we are deaaad. OL...holy cow. DBs...yikes...dL already noted...RBs...glad we had multiples, TEs...thank God for Dwelley and Tololo. LBs couldn't escape the injury issue, and didn't. Can't make the case any better than that.....oh, and we got a guy as QB #2 who can come in and run this O. We are backed up like nobody else i can think of...and still last yr it wasn't enough with Dee, our C, our OTs, our OGs, ,DBs, RBs, WRs all getting dinged. Almost...but not quite. I really like what JL did for the team and backups/rotational players.

Healthy we win last yr.

You can't pay a backup $15M, especially when you have so many good young guys looking to get paid. Plus Kwon seems to always be injured you need reliability and he hasn't been that.

Dre showed he can ball and like I said SF played with a slot DB wayyy more than having 3 LBers on the field. After this season he's gotta go, we need to put that cash elsewhere.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
You can't pay a backup $15M, especially when you have so many good young guys looking to get paid. Plus Kwon seems to always be injured you need reliability and he hasn't been that.

Dre showed he can ball and like I said SF played with a slot DB wayyy more than having 3 LBers on the field. After this season he's gotta go, we need to put that cash elsewhere.

NY, getting rid of Kwon's contract will not be an easy task. Cutting him after 2020 will result in a $10.5 dead cap penalty. And no team is trading for an oft-injured LB with a $16 cap hit (2021 cap hit). This is because the 49ers re-structured Kwon's contract before they realized Greenlaw was damn good.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/kwon-alexander-16850/

Originally posted by NYniner85:

You can't pay a backup $15M, especially when you have so many good young guys looking to get paid. Plus Kwon seems to always be injured you need reliability and he hasn't been that.

Dre showed he can ball and like I said SF played with a slot DB wayyy more than having 3 LBers on the field. After this season he's gotta go, we need to put that cash elsewhere.

Note i did acknowledge that Kwon was expensive. And no argument, $15 is big money for a guy who plays little. If we have an heir apparent, fine. But 3 LBs on this team, the next to most injured team the last 6 yrs....would be unwise. Hopefully we have that young man in camp. Thl makes the case above re: kwon's contract, however. So expensive yes, but alternative is even moreso...and Thl mentioned trade downside.

If he plays like himself this year he's a must resign. Put him right below Kittle as must be resigned IMO

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

You can't pay a backup $15M, especially when you have so many good young guys looking to get paid. Plus Kwon seems to always be injured you need reliability and he hasn't been that.

Dre showed he can ball and like I said SF played with a slot DB wayyy more than having 3 LBers on the field. After this season he's gotta go, we need to put that cash elsewhere.

NY, getting rid of Kwon's contract will not be an easy task. Cutting him after 2020 will result in a $10.5 dead cap penalty. And no team is trading for an oft-injured LB with a $16 cap hit (2021 cap hit). This is because the 49ers re-structured Kwon's contract before they realized Greenlaw was damn good.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/kwon-alexander-16850/

Post-June 1st cut is $13.8M in savings.

https://overthecap.com/player/kwon-alexander/3972/

Perfect if we want to extend Warner next off season or if they tag Kittle and want to work on a extension (can do that up until July 15th).

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Note i did acknowledge that Kwon was expensive. And no argument, $15 is big money for a guy who plays little. If we have an heir apparent, fine. But 3 LBs on this team, the next to most injured team the last 6 yrs....would be unwise. Hopefully we have that young man in camp. Thl makes the case above re: kwon's contract, however. So expensive yes, but alternative is even moreso...and Thl mentioned trade downside.

They can make him a post June 1st cut and save over $13M. Imo Dre is that heir, he's already a more complete LBer than Kwon has been. Kwon is a piss poor tackler always has been. Great in coverage, great energy, can't stay healthy.

Let Al-Shaair get more snaps at the SAM position. Kid was recovering from a ACL and MCL, I was actually shocked he played this yr. dude was a tackling machine at FAU.

FWIW i don't want people to think i hate Kwon, i don't wish they could keep everyone...facts are SF is gonna have to cut someone to make room for other dudes. Kwon is that guy imo....if he balls out this yr even better you can hopefully move him for something.