53-Man Roster & Depth Chart(2020)

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

I did a workbook to see what the cap room would be with my roster, we'd have about $10M after my cuts, before knowing Staley's injury settlement, Williams's redone contract, and practice squad salaries.

As for 2021, this is what we'd be looking at, based on a few different cap scenarios.

Cap Limit: $215,000,000 $225,000,000 $230,000,000 $240,000,000
Cap Room: $60,946,932 $70,166,932 $75,166,932 $85,166,932

AB, 2021 is going to be horrendous - half the team are FA's.

Not really, 34 signed for 2020 in my roster. Plus only a few starter FAs.

All FAs after 2020:

QB Nick Mullens - RFA Likely gets 1st or 2nd rd tender
QB CJ Beathard - UFA Likely gone, or back on cheap deal, hopefully traded this offseason after cuts
RB Tevin Coleman - UFA Likely replaced with a UDFA or another vet
RB Jerick McKinnon - UFA Could be brought back cheap IMO
RB Jeff Wilson Jr. - RFA Likely not tendered unless the team wants to get a pick for him so 2nd rd tender and trade ala Breida
FB Kyle Juszyzsck - UFA Not going anywhere, Kyle won't allow him to leave, still young, best FB in the NFL
WR Kendrick Bourne - UFA Should extend now IMO
WR Trent Taylor - UFA Don't see him back unless cheap
WR Travis Benjamin - UFA May not make the 53, saves $1.045M
TE George Kittle - UFA Not going anywhere
TE Ross Dwelley - RFA Likely not tendered, but signed to 1yr minimum deal
TE Daniel Helm - ERFA If he makes it he won't be going anywhere, only costs $865K to retain
C Ben Garland - UFA Easy re-signing, knows KS's system, did well in 2019
C Jake Brendel - RFA Doubt he makes the 53
OG Daniel Brunskill - ERFA Not going anywhere, will only cost $865K to tender
OG Tom Compton - UFA May not make the 2020 team, has $750K GTD, saves $1.95M if cut
OT Trent Williams - UFA Not going anywhere, will be tagged if need be
OT Shon Coleman - UFA Easy re-signing as swing Tackle
OT Leonard Wester - RFA Doubt he makes the 53
DE Ronald Blair III - UFA Easy re-signing as EDGE rusher IMO
DE Kerry Hyder Jr. - UFA Another easy re-signing as a 1yr deal
DT Solomon Thomas - UFA Gone IMO unless he has a breakout year, Kinlaw is the man at 3T
DT Willie Henry Jr. - RFA Likely not on the 53
NT D.J. Jones - UFA Should be back, not like he's gonna cost $10M A yr, he's a NT playing less than 30% snaps despite new agent
WLB Joe Walker - UFA Another easy 1yr re-signing
CB Richard Sherman - UFA Not going anywhere, the 49ers won't let Sherman leave
CB K'Waun Williams - UFA Should be paid a good amount as one of the best Slot CBs, hopefully they bring him back
CB Emmanuel Moseley - ERFA Not going anywhere, will only cost $865K to tender
CB Ahkello Witherspoon - UFA Likely replaced with a vet or draft pick
CB Teez Tabor - RFA Doubt he even makes the 53
CB Dontae Johnson - UFA Likely not on the 53
CB Jason Verrett - UFA Likely not on the 53 unless he has a breakout camp/Preseason
FS Derrick Kindred - RFA Doubt he makes the 53
SS Jaquiski Tartt - UFA Could lose via FA if he wants more than what Ward got, but I think the 49ers bring him back if he has a good year, him and Ward are a good Safety tandem
SS Marcell Harris - RFA May not make the 53, wouldn't be tendered high if he makes it, would be original round tender

So most of these FAs are guys who likely won't make the 53, or just won't be back, while the only starters unsigned for 2021 are FB Juice, SWR Bourne, TE Kittle, LT Williams, RG Brunskill(ERFA), NT Jones, CB Sherman, CB Moseley(ERFA), SCB Williams, SS Tartt, you could add in RB Coleman as he will be the other back with Mostert. So 10/11 starters, 2 are ERFAs, we can tag Trent, Kittle won't be gone, neither will be Juice. So I don't see an issue.

Ok, good - I feel a better.

Exactly. And it's not just about cap space but how many players you already have locked up. So our $80M is like the equivalent of $160M because we already have our FQB and every starter locked up minus a couple key ones for 2021 (Kittle/Williams). In short, we're in tremendous cap health and have a lot of flexibility with big contracts like Kwon and Ford.

While our 2020 flexibility isn't that strong, I really really like how things look going forward over the next few years.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

While our 2020 flexibility isn't that strong, I really really like how things look going forward over the next few years.

No question!

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
I did a workbook to see what the cap room would be with my roster, we'd have about $10M after my cuts, before knowing Staley's injury settlement, Williams's redone contract, and practice squad salaries.

As for 2021, this is what we'd be looking at, based on a few different cap scenarios.

Cap Limit: $215,000,000 $225,000,000 $230,000,000 $240,000,000
Cap Room: $60,946,932 $70,166,932 $75,166,932 $85,166,932

AB, 2021 is going to be horrendous - half the team are FA's.

Not really, 34 signed for 2020 in my roster. Plus only a few starter FAs.

All FAs after 2020:

QB Nick Mullens - RFA Likely gets 1st or 2nd rd tender
QB CJ Beathard - UFA Likely gone, or back on cheap deal, hopefully traded this offseason after cuts
RB Tevin Coleman - UFA Likely replaced with a UDFA or another vet
RB Jerick McKinnon - UFA Could be brought back cheap IMO
RB Jeff Wilson Jr. - RFA Likely not tendered unless the team wants to get a pick for him so 2nd rd tender and trade ala Breida
FB Kyle Juszyzsck - UFA Not going anywhere, Kyle won't allow him to leave, still young, best FB in the NFL
WR Kendrick Bourne - UFA Should extend now IMO
WR Trent Taylor - UFA Don't see him back unless cheap
WR Travis Benjamin - UFA May not make the 53, saves $1.045M
TE George Kittle - UFA Not going anywhere
TE Ross Dwelley - RFA Likely not tendered, but signed to 1yr minimum deal
TE Daniel Helm - ERFA If he makes it he won't be going anywhere, only costs $865K to retain
C Ben Garland - UFA Easy re-signing, knows KS's system, did well in 2019
C Jake Brendel - RFA Doubt he makes the 53
OG Daniel Brunskill - ERFA Not going anywhere, will only cost $865K to tender
OG Tom Compton - UFA May not make the 2020 team, has $750K GTD, saves $1.95M if cut
OT Trent Williams - UFA Not going anywhere, will be tagged if need be
OT Shon Coleman - UFA Easy re-signing as swing Tackle
OT Leonard Wester - RFA Doubt he makes the 53
DE Ronald Blair III - UFA Easy re-signing as EDGE rusher IMO
DE Kerry Hyder Jr. - UFA Another easy re-signing as a 1yr deal
DT Solomon Thomas - UFA Gone IMO unless he has a breakout year, Kinlaw is the man at 3T
DT Willie Henry Jr. - RFA Likely not on the 53
NT D.J. Jones - UFA Should be back, not like he's gonna cost $10M A yr, he's a NT playing less than 30% snaps despite new agent
WLB Joe Walker - UFA Another easy 1yr re-signing
CB Richard Sherman - UFA Not going anywhere, the 49ers won't let Sherman leave
CB K'Waun Williams - UFA Should be paid a good amount as one of the best Slot CBs, hopefully they bring him back
CB Emmanuel Moseley - ERFA Not going anywhere, will only cost $865K to tender
CB Ahkello Witherspoon - UFA Likely replaced with a vet or draft pick
CB Teez Tabor - RFA Doubt he even makes the 53
CB Dontae Johnson - UFA Likely not on the 53
CB Jason Verrett - UFA Likely not on the 53 unless he has a breakout camp/Preseason
FS Derrick Kindred - RFA Doubt he makes the 53
SS Jaquiski Tartt - UFA Could lose via FA if he wants more than what Ward got, but I think the 49ers bring him back if he has a good year, him and Ward are a good Safety tandem
SS Marcell Harris - RFA May not make the 53, wouldn't be tendered high if he makes it, would be original round tender

So most of these FAs are guys who likely won't make the 53, or just won't be back, while the only starters unsigned for 2021 are FB Juice, SWR Bourne, TE Kittle, LT Williams, RG Brunskill(ERFA), NT Jones, CB Sherman, CB Moseley(ERFA), SCB Williams, SS Tartt, you could add in RB Coleman as he will be the other back with Mostert. So 10/11 starters, 2 are ERFAs, we can tag Trent, Kittle won't be gone, neither will be Juice. So I don't see an issue.

Ok, good - I feel a better.

Exactly. And it's not just about cap space but how many players you already have locked up. So our $80M is like the equivalent of $160M because we already have our FQB and every starter locked up minus a couple key ones for 2021 (Kittle/Williams). In short, we're in tremendous cap health and have a lot of flexibility with big contracts like Kwon and Ford.

While our 2020 flexibility isn't that strong, I really really like how things look going forward over the next few years.

Agree, can't wait to see how we use that $80M in cap room next year.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
While our 2020 flexibility isn't that strong, I really really like how things look going forward over the next few years.

No question!

I wanted to check on this thread to see if anything new has happened since I last checked it. Whew, AB81 has done Hall of Fame level work on our 2020 and 2021 capanomics. Kudos to AB81. Great info thread!

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
I think either way 2020 is Trent Taylor's last year as a 49er, we have better options in the future like Jennings, and Hurd, plus draft wise we can get a better Slot WR, I think Bourne starts at the Slot in 2020, with Deebo and Aiyuk as the outside WRs. Hopefully we have more than 3 contribute in 2020 like 2019.

If he is healthy and plays well this season, assuming there is one, I imagine he will be back in 2021. Anything is possible I guess but Shanahan really seems to like him and someone would have to REALLY step up and prove that Taylor is expendable if he plays up to expectations this year. There was a report recently that the team thought that Taylor was going to have a "pro bowl" type year in 2019 before he got hurt. If that is the lens through which they are viewing him he would have to really stink it up this year not to get re-signed.

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
I think either way 2020 is Trent Taylor's last year as a 49er, we have better options in the future like Jennings, and Hurd, plus draft wise we can get a better Slot WR, I think Bourne starts at the Slot in 2020, with Deebo and Aiyuk as the outside WRs. Hopefully we have more than 3 contribute in 2020 like 2019.

If he is healthy and plays well this season, assuming there is one, I imagine he will be back in 2021. Anything is possible I guess but Shanahan really seems to like him and someone would have to REALLY step up and prove that Taylor is expendable if he plays up to expectations this year. There was a report recently that the team thought that Taylor was going to have a "pro bowl" type year in 2019 before he got hurt. If that is the lens through which they are viewing him he would have to really stink it up this year not to get re-signed.

Watch out for Finke - he's going to be on Taylor's heel.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
I think either way 2020 is Trent Taylor's last year as a 49er, we have better options in the future like Jennings, and Hurd, plus draft wise we can get a better Slot WR, I think Bourne starts at the Slot in 2020, with Deebo and Aiyuk as the outside WRs. Hopefully we have more than 3 contribute in 2020 like 2019.

If he is healthy and plays well this season, assuming there is one, I imagine he will be back in 2021. Anything is possible I guess but Shanahan really seems to like him and someone would have to REALLY step up and prove that Taylor is expendable if he plays up to expectations this year. There was a report recently that the team thought that Taylor was going to have a "pro bowl" type year in 2019 before he got hurt. If that is the lens through which they are viewing him he would have to really stink it up this year not to get re-signed.

Watch out for Finke - he's going to be on Taylor's heel.

Totally agree!

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
While our 2020 flexibility isn't that strong, I really really like how things look going forward over the next few years.

No question!

I wanted to check on this thread to see if anything new has happened since I last checked it. Whew, AB81 has done Hall of Fame level work on our 2020 and 2021 capanomics. Kudos to AB81. Great info thread!

Doing my best bud,

I get the feeling Tom Compton is close to a lock unless he plays really bad in Preseason and Camp.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
While our 2020 flexibility isn't that strong, I really really like how things look going forward over the next few years.

No question!

I wanted to check on this thread to see if anything new has happened since I last checked it. Whew, AB81 has done Hall of Fame level work on our 2020 and 2021 capanomics. Kudos to AB81. Great info thread!

Doing my best bud,

I get the feeling Tom Compton is close to a lock unless he plays really bad in Preseason and Camp.

I have no reason to disagree about Tom Compton, however, I'm pulling for Ross Reynolds. He's a young scrapper kind of guy and in his 2nd year with the 49ers, after being on last years practice squad - I hope he can beat Tom Compton and make the team. I think Tom's kind of been injury prone, and we know his ceiling. I think Ross' ceiling is still unknown, and possibly could be higher. Also Ray Smith (formerly a college DT, I think) was signed last year to a futures contract but he's been moved, as per the 49ers team roster list guy, to the offense. That, I think, is a Benton move -- I think Benton sees something in Ray Smith, if he really is moving to the OLine. Bottom line, personally -- I am really excited to see the young guys hopefully make the team vs a veteran. Young means no experience and also as unknown ceiling (as well as floor) but I assume if they do make the team -- Benton's decided they can play in the NFL. That also means possibly a future trade (like Breida's trade) for more future draft picks or future starter (Bourne) if they do pan out. All in all, I'm excited to see young OLInemen play moreso than the veterans.

Originally posted by Giedi:
I have no reason to disagree about Tom Compton, however, I'm pulling for Ross Reynolds. He's a young scrapper kind of guy and in his 2nd year with the 49ers, after being on last years practice squad - I hope he can beat Tom Compton and make the team. I think Tom's kind of been injury prone, and we know his ceiling. I think Ross' ceiling is still unknown, and possibly could be higher. Also Ray Smith (formerly a college DT, I think) was signed last year to a futures contract but he's been moved, as per the 49ers team roster list guy, to the offense. That, I think, is a Benton move -- I think Benton sees something in Ray Smith, if he really is moving to the OLine. Bottom line, personally -- I am really excited to see the young guys hopefully make the team vs a veteran. Young means no experience and also as unknown ceiling (as well as floor) but I assume if they do make the team -- Benton's decided they can play in the NFL. That also means possibly a future trade (like Breida's trade) for more future draft picks or future starter (Bourne) if they do pan out. All in all, I'm excited to see young OLInemen play moreso than the veterans.

Can definitely see them keeping 10 OL with Ross Reynolds as the 10th, will be interesting to see who wins the Swing T spot, Coleman or Skule or someone else. Not like Shon is a lock, no GTD money besides his signing bonus($137,500), saves $825K to cut him.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by Giedi:
I have no reason to disagree about Tom Compton, however, I'm pulling for Ross Reynolds. He's a young scrapper kind of guy and in his 2nd year with the 49ers, after being on last years practice squad - I hope he can beat Tom Compton and make the team. I think Tom's kind of been injury prone, and we know his ceiling. I think Ross' ceiling is still unknown, and possibly could be higher. Also Ray Smith (formerly a college DT, I think) was signed last year to a futures contract but he's been moved, as per the 49ers team roster list guy, to the offense. That, I think, is a Benton move -- I think Benton sees something in Ray Smith, if he really is moving to the OLine. Bottom line, personally -- I am really excited to see the young guys hopefully make the team vs a veteran. Young means no experience and also as unknown ceiling (as well as floor) but I assume if they do make the team -- Benton's decided they can play in the NFL. That also means possibly a future trade (like Breida's trade) for more future draft picks or future starter (Bourne) if they do pan out. All in all, I'm excited to see young OLInemen play moreso than the veterans.

Can definitely see them keeping 10 OL with Ross Reynolds as the 10th, will be interesting to see who wins the Swing T spot, Coleman or Skule or someone else. Not like Shon is a lock, no GTD money besides his signing bonus($137,500), saves $825K to cut him.

AGree. I forgot that they can keep additional OLinemen, I think, per the new CBA rules.

As for Kittle's deal, I say front load the hell out of that monster TE deal when it comes around. I kind of like the prove it deals with our DB's. None of them have stepped up and dominated like Sherman, and so they have (I think) prove it year contracts. Those that step up, should be offered - again - heavily front loaded deals. I think the 2021 cap is (possibly) going to shrink and if it does, front loading (vs backloading) those deals will be advantageous. I think a DB's performance is tied to the pass rush, so I can see longer deals for DLinemen and shorter deals working for DB's, from here on in, unless guys like Witherspoon become all pro -- then you have to figure out how to fit them under the cap with longer deals.

The Compton signing to me was kind of weird. He has been pretty bad pretty much his whole career, and Lynch guarantees him 700K? Luckily if we some how traded him, we only take a 200K hit (Signing bonus) the other 500K in guarantees is basically part of his base salary, so if we trade him, we aren't responsible for that.

Lynch has done this over the years with borderline talent, and then lots of times these players never make the roster, yet we're shelling out tons of money for them not to play. In this case, sure we needed guard help, but we still had the draft ahead of us to help address that need. Compton couldn't have been a high priority FA, thus he probably still would have been there after the draft if we needed him, which in this case, we don't. So pretty much 700K thrown away for no reason.

Originally posted by toppdogg32:
QB-Same
RB- Remove Coleman and add UDFA "Baby Juice" Hokit
WR- Auiyuk, Deebo, Hurd, Pettis, Jennings, Taylor
TE- Skittle, FA/Trade NFL Vet, Woerner
OL- Same
ST-Same
DE- Same
DT- Add Taylor, Nix Givens and Street
LB- Same, Nix Ncheoza and add UDFA Griffith
CB- Same, Nix Reed and add either UDFA Acy or NFL FA
S- Same, Nix Harris and add UDFA Mayden

You missing Bourne

Originally posted by jrouter4949:

Originally posted by toppdogg32:
QB-Same
RB- Remove Coleman and add UDFA "Baby Juice" Hokit
WR- Auiyuk, Deebo, Hurd, Pettis, Jennings, Taylor
TE- Skittle, FA/Trade NFL Vet, Woerner
OL- Same
ST-Same
DE- Same
DT- Add Taylor, Nix Givens and Street
LB- Same, Nix Ncheoza and add UDFA Griffith
CB- Same, Nix Reed and add either UDFA Acy or NFL FA
S- Same, Nix Harris and add UDFA Mayden

You missing Bourne

LOL, nope, I think Jennings or Pettis beats him out. And at $3.2M and having to sign him long term next year(when the new guys/incumbent guys ) are cheaper both now and long term,,,,, Hmmm., if you think biz wise, trading Bourne makes more sense. Now, if they traded Pettis,, then MAYBE yeah, b'cuzz again there are cheaper options in-house.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by Giedi:
I have no reason to disagree about Tom Compton, however, I'm pulling for Ross Reynolds. He's a young scrapper kind of guy and in his 2nd year with the 49ers, after being on last years practice squad - I hope he can beat Tom Compton and make the team. I think Tom's kind of been injury prone, and we know his ceiling. I think Ross' ceiling is still unknown, and possibly could be higher. Also Ray Smith (formerly a college DT, I think) was signed last year to a futures contract but he's been moved, as per the 49ers team roster list guy, to the offense. That, I think, is a Benton move -- I think Benton sees something in Ray Smith, if he really is moving to the OLine. Bottom line, personally -- I am really excited to see the young guys hopefully make the team vs a veteran. Young means no experience and also as unknown ceiling (as well as floor) but I assume if they do make the team -- Benton's decided they can play in the NFL. That also means possibly a future trade (like Breida's trade) for more future draft picks or future starter (Bourne) if they do pan out. All in all, I'm excited to see young OLInemen play moreso than the veterans.

Can definitely see them keeping 10 OL with Ross Reynolds as the 10th, will be interesting to see who wins the Swing T spot, Coleman or Skule or someone else. Not like Shon is a lock, no GTD money besides his signing bonus($137,500), saves $825K to cut him.

AGree. I forgot that they can keep additional OLinemen, I think, per the new CBA rules.

As for Kittle's deal, I say front load the hell out of that monster TE deal when it comes around. I kind of like the prove it deals with our DB's. None of them have stepped up and dominated like Sherman, and so they have (I think) prove it year contracts. Those that step up, should be offered - again - heavily front loaded deals. I think the 2021 cap is (possibly) going to shrink and if it does, front loading (vs backloading) those deals will be advantageous. I think a DB's performance is tied to the pass rush, so I can see longer deals for DLinemen and shorter deals working for DB's, from here on in, unless guys like Witherspoon become all pro -- then you have to figure out how to fit them under the cap with longer deals.

Even with additional roster space, I see them keeping 9 OL, not 10. (Williams, Tomlinson, Rich, Brunskill, Mac., Garland, Mc.Kivitz, Coleman, Skule.)