2020 49ers Draft Grade & Analysis

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Given that 95% of all draft grades 'really' range from A+, A, A-, B+, B, B-, C+, C, C-, on JUST the players themselves (not including team needs), I'd say B on just talent alone and A- on scheme fit. B+

Volume is low: C+
Top team needs: C+ (no pass rush, pass protection or pass defense)

uhhh Kinlaw and Trent Williams?

nope dont count. pass rush == DE/EDGE and Trent is a breakeven replacement for JOE.

needs of the team were not addressed.

If you think the pass rush only comes from DEs then good for you.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Given that 95% of all draft grades 'really' range from A+, A, A-, B+, B, B-, C+, C, C-, on JUST the players themselves (not including team needs), I'd say B on just talent alone and A- on scheme fit. B+

Volume is low: C+
Top team needs: C+ (no pass rush, pass protection or pass defense)

uhhh Kinlaw and Trent Williams?

nope dont count. pass rush == DE/EDGE and Trent is a breakeven replacement for JOE.

needs of the team were not addressed.

They used the 2nd round pick on Ford you have to count him in the draft grade. Even if you think he will only play 300 snaps what de in the second was going to give you more production? On top of that they signed Hyder and Kongbo to compete. I disagree that they did nothing to upgrade I think they felt that those two were probably better than any of the available de in the draft from rounds 4 on.

A+, getting Kinlaw and Aiyuk was great but the icing on the cake was Trent Williams, I don't care that they passed on a IOL and CB, we can't fill every need in 1 offseason, we got a solid blocking TE, and a developmental OL who can compete at RG, likely is inactive for the season as the 9th OL.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Given that 95% of all draft grades 'really' range from A+, A, A-, B+, B, B-, C+, C, C-, on JUST the players themselves (not including team needs), I'd say B on just talent alone and A- on scheme fit. B+

Volume is low: C+
Top team needs: C+ (no pass rush, pass protection or pass defense)

uhhh Kinlaw and Trent Williams?

nope dont count. pass rush == DE/EDGE and Trent is a breakeven replacement for JOE.

needs of the team were not addressed.

If you think the pass rush only comes from DEs then good for you.

This Kinlaw had 6 sacks in 2019, he'll bring good pass rush from the interior DL.

Trent is a better OT than Joe was, and I love Staley, I mean I am so upset he had to retire, but he had to do what was best for his body and family, so Williams is an upgrade, and younger.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
A+, getting Kinlaw and Aiyuk was great but the icing on the cake was Trent Williams, I don't care that they passed on a IOL and CB, we can't fill every need in 1 offseason, we got a solid blocking TE, and a developmental OL who can compete at RG, likely is inactive for the season as the 9th OL.

AGree, and Arik is also a DE (in Base) so he can bring some heat from that base alignment - probably as good as any DE's we could have chosen in the 2nd through 4th rounds in 2020. I am just preparing myself for not having Dee Ford for at least 50% or more of the season (like the last season) and so I"m not really excited about our DE's outside of Bosa and Arik. Kinlaw will help with the pass rush, as you said, from Buckners position and will help absorb double teams for Bosa. Kongbo and Hyder are interesting Free Agent signings - and I hope Kocurek can coach them up to be adequate back ups to Dee Ford and Bosa.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by evil:

Does McKivitz not count as pass pro then ?

no.

So what does he count as?

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Given that 95% of all draft grades 'really' range from A+, A, A-, B+, B, B-, C+, C, C-, on JUST the players themselves (not including team needs), I'd say B on just talent alone and A- on scheme fit. B+

Volume is low: C+
Top team needs: C+ (no pass rush, pass protection or pass defense)

uhhh Kinlaw and Trent Williams?

nope dont count. pass rush == DE/EDGE and Trent is a breakeven replacement for JOE.

needs of the team were not addressed.

If you think the pass rush only comes from DEs then good for you.

This Kinlaw had 6 sacks in 2019, he'll bring good pass rush from the interior DL.

Trent is a better OT than Joe was, and I love Staley, I mean I am so upset he had to retire, but he had to do what was best for his body and family, so Williams is an upgrade, and younger.

And it's not even about sacks. The better interior pressure is, the less the DE has to do in terms of bending the edge to get to the QB. A good defense pass rushes as a 4 man unit. If Kinlaw can be a force, he and Bosa will wreck shop.

Can't wait to see KInlaw in a Niner uniform.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Given that 95% of all draft grades 'really' range from A+, A, A-, B+, B, B-, C+, C, C-, on JUST the players themselves (not including team needs), I'd say B on just talent alone and A- on scheme fit. B+

Volume is low: C+
Top team needs: C+ (no pass rush, pass protection or pass defense)

uhhh Kinlaw and Trent Williams?

Compared to what we already had last year (Staley and Buckner). Those are parallel 'talent' moves.

Does McKivitz not count as pass pro then ?

Do you think he's starting over Brunskill? If not, he is the new Brunskill as potential depth. Hopefully he's better than Compton.

I'm sure we're both hoping he becomes the 5th round Kittle version at G!

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Given that 95% of all draft grades 'really' range from A+, A, A-, B+, B, B-, C+, C, C-, on JUST the players themselves (not including team needs), I'd say B on just talent alone and A- on scheme fit. B+

Volume is low: C+
Top team needs: C+ (no pass rush, pass protection or pass defense)

uhhh Kinlaw and Trent Williams?

nope dont count. pass rush == DE/EDGE and Trent is a breakeven replacement for JOE.

needs of the team were not addressed.

They used the 2nd round pick on Ford you have to count him in the draft grade. Even if you think he will only play 300 snaps what de in the second was going to give you more production? On top of that they signed Hyder and Kongbo to compete. I disagree that they did nothing to upgrade I think they felt that those two were probably better than any of the available de in the draft from rounds 4 on.

Looks like this has morphed into last season's off season moves, this season's FA and trades, this draft, expected development, replacement talent, etc. Maybe there should just be an Acquisition Grade thread which is all inclusive?

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Given that 95% of all draft grades 'really' range from A+, A, A-, B+, B, B-, C+, C, C-, on JUST the players themselves (not including team needs), I'd say B on just talent alone and A- on scheme fit. B+

Volume is low: C+
Top team needs: C+ (no pass rush, pass protection or pass defense)

uhhh Kinlaw and Trent Williams?

nope dont count. pass rush == DE/EDGE and Trent is a breakeven replacement for JOE.

needs of the team were not addressed.

Huh? SF lost Joe before the draft, SF was at that point starting Coleman or Skule at LT they then traded a 5th and what is more than likely a late 3rd for one of the best LTs in football. That is a MASSIVE upgraded.

So by that thinking Buck isn't a pass rusher either lol you don't think IDL doesn't affect the pass?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Do you think he's starting over Brunskill? If not, he is the new Brunskill as potential depth. Hopefully he's better than Compton.

I'm sure we're both hoping he becomes the 5th round Kittle version at G!

So in your world the only person they could have drafted was Ruiz (and they would have had to move up for him just the same )...Outside of that, no one would have been an upgrade to the IOL based on the picks they had to work with?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Do you think he's starting over Brunskill? If not, he is the new Brunskill as potential depth. Hopefully he's better than Compton.

I'm sure we're both hoping he becomes the 5th round Kittle version at G!

So in your world the only person they could have drafted was Ruiz (and they would have had to move up for him just the same )...Outside of that, no one would have been an upgrade to the IOL based on the picks they had to work with?

I'm looking for upgrades over starters. Not Tom Compton. The depth is good. Nothing wrong with adding depth...that's what the 5th round is for.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Huh? SF lost Joe before the draft, SF was at that point starting Coleman or Skule at LT they then traded a 5th and what is more than likely a late 3rd for one of the best LTs in football. That is a MASSIVE upgraded.

So by that thinking Buck isn't a pass rusher either lol you don't think IDL doesn't affect the pass?

A pre draft trade has nothing to do with the draft grade (the thread) itself unless you count the draft capital given up for him.

Originally posted by NCommand:

I'm looking for upgrades over starters. Not Tom Compton. The depth is good. Nothing wrong with adding depth...that's what the 5th round is for.

So yes then, the only player that can actually be an upgrade was ONE person via the draft in Ruiz? Is that what you're saying?

No one cares about Compton, he's a backup who knows to offense making next too nothing. I actually think it's pretty fair to say Brunskill is better than Person.