2020 49ers Draft Grade & Analysis

Originally posted by NCommand:

A pre draft trade has nothing to do with the draft grade (the thread) itself unless you count the draft capital given up for him.

Only it wasn't a pre-draft trade, it happened on day 3 of the draft they used draft capital from this draft, how you can't use that in this thread is beyond me.

BEFORE the draft the team KNEW Joe was gone. At the start of the draft their starter at LT was Skule or Coleman based on the current roster, no?

So in reality....

Trent Williams >>>>>>>>>>Skule/Coleman, which anyone in their right minds would say that's a massive upgrade.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

A pre draft trade has nothing to do with the draft grade (the thread) itself unless you count the draft capital given up for him.

Only it wasn't a pre-draft trade, it happened on day 3 of the draft they used draft capital from this draft, how you can't use that in this thread is beyond me.

BEFORE the draft the team KNEW Joe was gone. At the start of the draft their starter at LT was Skule or Coleman based on the current roster, no?

So in reality....

Trent Williams >>>>>>>>>>Skule/Coleman, which anyone in their right minds would say that's a massive upgrade.

That's an acquisition for draft capital. Nothing to do with the players drafted and grades. That's why I suggesting there needs to be a full Acquisition thread. Cover every acquisition from free agency, trades, trades for draft capital, trades to alleviate cap space, drafted players, UDFA's, etc. Lots of lumping everything together in here for a draft grade thread.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

I'm looking for upgrades over starters. Not Tom Compton. The depth is good. Nothing wrong with adding depth...that's what the 5th round is for.

So yes then, the only player that can actually be an upgrade was ONE person via the draft in Ruiz? Is that what you're saying?

No one cares about Compton, he's a backup who knows to offense making next too nothing. I actually think it's pretty fair to say Brunskill is better than Person.

Or Wirfs. If we acquired some 2-4th round picks and that player is pegged to be a starter (usually picked 1-3 rounds), absolutely. A 4th-7th is not expected to start unless you're insanely thin.

Originally posted by NCommand:

That's an acquisition for draft capital. Nothing to do with the players drafted and grades. That's why I suggesting there needs to be a full Acquisition thread. Cover every acquisition from free agency, trades, trades for draft capital, trades to alleviate cap space, drafted players, UDFA's, etc. Lots of lumping everything together in here for a draft grade thread.

When you use draft picks from this draft on draft day, I don't see how you can't "lump" that into a draft breakdown? Nothing about it was pre-draft.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Or Wirfs. If we acquired some 2-4th round picks and that player is pegged to be a starter (usually picked 1-3 rounds), absolutely. A 4th-7th is not expected to start unless you're insanely thin.

Williams >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Wirfs as a LT and it's not even close.

They're never ever gonna draft a guard in the top 13, nor should they. There's a reason Wirfs was the last "OT" tackle he's more of a projection and I know how much you love PP, he simply wasn't even close to consistent there.

So gain Ruiz or bust for a guard given the picks they had...

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by evil:

Does McKivitz not count as pass pro then ?

no.

So what does he count as?

I guess it only counts if Ur a first round pick

I think Kinlaw will struggle early in his career since hes not a technician and he's basically like Armstead when he was coming out as far as being raw

Aiyuk, like Deebo, will not dominate right away since this offense is hard to pick up. I can see him dominating in the later half of the year.

Colton, good OL depth. Hopefully another gem in the making.

Charlie Woerner. This is the pick I am least excited about. I hope he does give us more in the passing game

Jauan Jennings. Love his attitude and physicality. Want him to make the roster badly. But I can see Pettis making the roster over him . This move was probably made just in case Hurd is put on IR again, unfortunately. I see his roster making chances as slim

Overall: B+

Restocked the roster with the same talent at a cheaper cost, giving us another shot at a Superbowl. But ultimately, I didn't think we improved in areas where we were deficient that can get us over the hump. Though I understand if the refs were less biased in the SB, we may have had a chance to win, you probably can't count on that

Originally posted by NYniner85:
When you use draft picks from this draft on draft day, I don't see how you can't "lump" that into a draft breakdown? Nothing about it was pre-draft.

I agree. They gave up a 5th this year and a 3rd next year. If they would have given the same picks to move into the 2nd round and drafted someone then nobody would question that it was a draft day move. Because they got an established player shouldn't make a difference. If you don't think that it should count as part of the draft then I guess getting the 13th pick for Buckner shouldn't count either.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Do you think he's starting over Brunskill? If not, he is the new Brunskill as potential depth. Hopefully he's better than Compton.

I'm sure we're both hoping he becomes the 5th round Kittle version at G!

So in your world the only person they could have drafted was Ruiz (and they would have had to move up for him just the same )...Outside of that, no one would have been an upgrade to the IOL based on the picks they had to work with?

I'm looking for upgrades over starters. Not Tom Compton. The depth is good. Nothing wrong with adding depth...that's what the 5th round is for.

But any draft pick is only an upgrade over our starters in terms of potential. Until they prove it on Sundays, you haven't actually upgraded the position.

The 49ers drafted a player who can play both inside and outside on the line. In an of itself, drafting a developmental player like CM is addressing an area of need. We didn't use high capital on it like you would like, I get that, but they didn't ignore the need of we are being completely honest.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

That's an acquisition for draft capital. Nothing to do with the players drafted and grades. That's why I suggesting there needs to be a full Acquisition thread. Cover every acquisition from free agency, trades, trades for draft capital, trades to alleviate cap space, drafted players, UDFA's, etc. Lots of lumping everything together in here for a draft grade thread.

When you use draft picks from this draft on draft day, I don't see how you can't "lump" that into a draft breakdown? Nothing about it was pre-draft.

Does Dee Ford count for you too?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Or Wirfs. If we acquired some 2-4th round picks and that player is pegged to be a starter (usually picked 1-3 rounds), absolutely. A 4th-7th is not expected to start unless you're insanely thin.

Williams >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Wirfs as a LT and it's not even close.

They're never ever gonna draft a guard in the top 13, nor should they. There's a reason Wirfs was the last "OT" tackle he's more of a projection and I know how much you love PP, he simply wasn't even close to consistent there.

So gain Ruiz or bust for a guard given the picks they had...

Kyle almost had LT Williams and RG Wirfs. Epic.

But Kinlaw should be nice too. Go Brunskill!

Originally posted by evil:

But any draft pick is only an upgrade over our starters in terms of potential. Until they prove it on Sundays, you haven't actually upgraded the position.

The 49ers drafted a player who can play both inside and outside on the line. In an of itself, drafting a developmental player like CM is addressing an area of need. We didn't use high capital on it like you would like, I get that, but they didn't ignore the need of we are being completely honest.

Right. We don't even know if Lenny Kravitz is as good a backup as Brunskill was for us last year.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

When you use draft picks from this draft on draft day, I don't see how you can't "lump" that into a draft breakdown? Nothing about it was pre-draft.

I agree. They gave up a 5th this year and a 3rd next year. If they would have given the same picks to move into the 2nd round and drafted someone then nobody would question that it was a draft day move. Because they got an established player shouldn't make a difference. If you don't think that it should count as part of the draft then I guess getting the 13th pick for Buckner shouldn't count either.

That's cool. It's all for fun. Usually I just do draft grades on the actual players picked, their quality and quantity of players picked and how they fit the systems and team needs. But if you want to bring in traded for veterans like TW and Ford, etc. nothing wrong with that!

Originally posted by FL9er:
The fact that the 49ers passed on their pick of the WRs with their 1st pick speaks volumes to what they thought of Kinlaw as a prospect. It also speaks volumes to what they think of the guys already on the roster. Remember Thomas and Jones are in contract years (I'd imagine they will NOT pick up Solly's option) and Taylor may be nothing more than a bottom of the rotation role player. With Armstead and Bosa entrenched as the starting DEs for the next few years, I don't agree with spending a 1st on a #3 DE, regardless of how you feel about Ford's/Blair's future with the team. Beyond that, the alternate draft looks just as good.

Yeah, I have to agree with this. Alot of people mentioned that Kinlaw will be no where near a one for one replacement for DeFo, and that we have gotten weaker at that position, but then I look at Bosa last year. As a rookie, he was just as good as any of the other QB rushers we have. And Kinlaw does not have the injury history of Bosa either. I don't see why he is not going to make a big impact for us. If he was the only stud we depended on, then it might be hard for him, but he is complementing an already strong D Line.

Niners just killed it. Seemingly. We never know what draftees will actually do. But the plan and execution - flawless. Got a probowl LT by highway robbery. Got the nearest possible replacement for Defo at 1/8 of the salary and much younger, with similar upside when Defo came out. Got their guy at WR, knowing the Eagles and then the Packers might go WR, using draft capital they had just acquired. These were arguably the three biggest areas of need, outside RG, which you don't want to use a first round pick on generally. Kinlaw and Aiyuk were also BPA on their board when the picks were made. Value and need. To complain about this draft is nitpicking. I think Kinlaw will be the better pro than Derrick Brown. Love his character, just from listening to him. Sitting out a year probably will add to Trent's longevity. By December, he will be back to form, ready for playoff run.