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Kwon Alexander vs Dre Greenlaw

  • thl408
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Originally posted by Heroism:
This is a great problem to have.

The way I see it is Dre needs to prove he can maintain last year's level of play, so you start Kwon at Will and Dre goes back to SAM. If Dre can repeat his level of play, Kwon, unfortunately, has gotta go or take a big pay cut. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Saleh plays more base in nickel situations against certain teams(ie Seattle) with those 3 since Kwon and Fred are so good in coverage.

Dre seems like a better fit at SAM than Kwon, although that shouldn't be THE deciding factor. If they are neck and neck, I think Kwon gets the nod because Dre can stay humble and continue to work. Whereas if Dre wins out and Kwon is playing 33% of the snaps, that can effect Kwon's ability to be a leader since he's not on the field as much.

If the front 4 can be dominating, then it does allow for Saleh to stay in base versus 3WR sets in run/pass neutral downs since they won't have to cover as long. That would be a nice option although KWaun Williams deserves to get his share of snaps.
Fair enough, and that is the right approach. That being said, my money is on Greenlaw improving over last year.
Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by oregonniner:
Dre was a rookie last year. Aren't players supposed to have their biggest jump from year one to year two?

Good players, yes.

The bad players sink. That's why it's important for Dre Greenlaw to prove his rookie season wasn't a fluke.
Originally posted by thl408:
When Kwon got injured, it was viewed as a huge loss for the 2019 defense. Unexpectedly, Dre stepped in to admirably fill Kwon's shoes to close the regular season, and even had his own epic highlight moment to help the 49ers clinch the #1 seed.

Since the 3rd LB is considered a role player nowadays with defense in nickel so often, one of these players will be on the sideline 67% of the time. I think there's a valid discussion to be had regarding which player should be playing alongside Warner in 2020.

This is my rough breakdown of which player excels in which area when compared to one another:
Coverage: Kwon
Run defense: Dre
Tackling: Dre
Blitzing: Kwon
Ball skills: Tie
Leadership: Kwon

The categories should be weighted differently so it's not as simple as saying, "Kwon is better at three things, Dre is better at two, so Kwon is better".

Who do you think will be the starting weakside backer in 2020?
Who do you think should be the starting weakside backer in 2020?

I think the above is very fair and accurate. I also remember the yr before Kwon arrived, we had a hole...a big, huge , massive hole. And it was the hole right across the middle which in previous few yrs just killed us. Need 5 yds on 3rd down? 4 yards on 3rd down? How about 7 yards?. Throw it right across our middle and i don't recall ONE TIME we stopped it.

Enter Kwon. That b.s. stopped and i mean like NOW. It just stopped. Finally we had somebody who could stop that infernal dam pass across the middle. One game, it could have been anybody because anybody could pass all day on us across the middle on 3rd down, we didn't stop one 3rd down attempt. Our opponents were perfect. It was when CJ was QB and we had that long losing string. Every single pass was completed on 3rd down, and you could literally map out where the ball was going. It was the most grotesque thing i recall about that first yr. But once Kwon arrived...it just flat out stopped.

So we can compare ball skills between the two, tackling, blitzing, run D...anything. But the one thing that Kwon brot us was no mas across the dang middle.

Dre is fantastic on Run D and yes, better than Kwon. And Dre isn't bad at coverage, it is just that teams don't pass on Kwon across the middle. Oh, they may try but he is pretty much money on anything thrown across the middle.....$$$ discrepancy , sure is a consideration. But occasionally i see a post that says we should go with Dre full time, and dont need Kwon. To those fans all one can say is remember BEFORE Kwon got here what it was like to watch SEA , LA, AZ , heck anybody, just go to the pass across the gut and it was a gimme for them. So here is one vote for Kwon as THE man to keep that middle clean and clear. Please , never let us get in a situation again where every opponent's " must have" 3rd down pass play goes across the middle and we couldn't stop it. Kwon can and did.

Thl, your 2 questions are good ones and IDK the answer. But on 3rd and 4 to 3rd and 8, i feel a lot more comfortable wiht Kwon in there than anyone else. He will prevent that 3rd down completion. Dre may also, but Kwon is the guy i want keeping that middle clean.
I think we should just go with Kwon Greenlaw.
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Originally posted by bzborow1:
Kwon is better but injury prone and expensive. In a perfect world, we could trade Kwon for cap space and draft picks and go with Greenlaw.

+1
Both were kind of mediocre in the playoffs. It felt like Greenlaw hit a wall in the playoffs and wasn't quite as impactful as he was at the end of the regular season. Kwon was definitely rusty. He didn't really do crap after coming back besides the rah rah stuff.

Heading into next year id give Greenlaw more playing time to see if we even need to keep Kwon around after this season. Greenlaw might already be as good for much cheaper.
Originally posted by Niners99:
Both were kind of mediocre in the playoffs. It felt like Greenlaw hit a wall in the playoffs and wasn't quite as impactful as he was at the end of the regular season. Kwon was definitely rusty. He didn't really do crap after coming back besides the rah rah stuff.

Heading into next year id give Greenlaw more playing time to see if we even need to keep Kwon around after this season. Greenlaw might already be as good for much cheaper.

I don't remember that
I find this thread very interesting and reminding of how short term memory works with football.

Dre stepped up big time. Truly, big time. But Kwon was playing at a Pro Bowl level before his injury. Greenlaw started the year out rough and played better every game, balling out for a 5th rd. pick but IMO, never reached the peak levels Kwon was playing at consistently to start the season. Kwon's speed & burst showed up on tape prior to his injury.

Regardless, this debate doesn't make much sense based on the criteria. All 3 LBs play in base / run situations. When it's a nickel scenario - you go with the guy who's better in coverage aka Kwon. No reason to overthink this.
Funny enough - I say this thread doesn't make sense but it's been the back of my head for a bit now as well. Once we start thinking about paying Fred, we're going to have to figure out the Kwon situation..
[ Edited by Wewillwin on May 12, 2020 at 6:18 AM ]
If the Bucs game last year is any indication, it seems like Saleh wants to run his base A TON (even in obvious passing situations), meaning all 3 LB's are on the field with Tartt often times lining up right next to them. And that was against a pass happy team too. He's got the speed and athleticism at the LB position and the rotating DL for immediate pressure to do it too.
[ Edited by NCommand on May 12, 2020 at 7:05 AM ]
Originally posted by Heroism:
This is a great problem to have.

The way I see it is Dre needs to prove he can maintain last year's level of play, so you start Kwon at Will and Dre goes back to SAM. If Dre can repeat his level of play, Kwon, unfortunately, has gotta go or take a big pay cut. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Saleh plays more base in nickel situations against certain teams(ie Seattle) with those 3 since Kwon and Fred are so good in coverage.

My man!
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by bzborow1:
Kwon is better but injury prone and expensive. In a perfect world, we could trade Kwon for cap space and draft picks and go with Greenlaw.

+1

Give it a year and that will probably be what happens, granted Kwon's deal isn't prohibitive in a trade.
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Originally posted by illinois9er:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Both were kind of mediocre in the playoffs. It felt like Greenlaw hit a wall in the playoffs and wasn't quite as impactful as he was at the end of the regular season. Kwon was definitely rusty. He didn't really do crap after coming back besides the rah rah stuff.

Heading into next year id give Greenlaw more playing time to see if we even need to keep Kwon around after this season. Greenlaw might already be as good for much cheaper.

I don't remember that

Me neither.
Originally posted by illinois9er:
I don't remember that

The wall I remember was the goal line stop against Seattle but he was the wall.
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