Kwon Alexander vs Dre Greenlaw

Originally posted by fan49:
Once again I'll make the statement He's like the Draymond Green of this defense. Worth more from stats you will never see. If the guy can stay healthy he's way better than greenlaw. I guess everybody here forgot the statement John Lynch and Kyle Shannon had about him when they signed him. 49ers biggest weaknesses were turnovers and sacks. Why do you think they brought in Alexander and deford. I understand the health concerns, but his impact is more than just what he is capable of doing physically. But again I noticed the defense fall off a little bit after he got injured

49ers defense also played better teams after Kwon was injured. Kwon when healthy can make bigger plays against the pass, but he's also a below average tackler. Since he's been like that since he played in Tampa, don't know if he'll get better.
Kwon doesn't make defensive adjustments. I believe that's Warner's job.

Both start. Kwon at Will, Dre at Sam.

Kwon stays on in nickle since he's better in coverage imo and more experienced. Work Dre into some nickle packages to both take some of the load off Kwon and get him some more game reps.

Can't we just be happy that right now we have both?

Originally posted by Lott94:

Originally posted by fan49:
Once again I'll make the statement He's like the Draymond Green of this defense. Worth more from stats you will never see. If the guy can stay healthy he's way better than greenlaw. I guess everybody here forgot the statement John Lynch and Kyle Shannon had about him when they signed him. 49ers biggest weaknesses were turnovers and sacks. Why do you think they brought in Alexander and deford. I understand the health concerns, but his impact is more than just what he is capable of doing physically. But again I noticed the defense fall off a little bit after he got injured

49ers defense also played better teams after Kwon was injured. Kwon when healthy can make bigger plays against the pass, but he's also a below average tackler. Since he's been like that since he played in Tampa, don't know if he'll get better.
Kwon doesn't make defensive adjustments. I believe that's Warner's job.

Kwon had 78 missed tackles over his four seasons with Tampa Bay. Greenlaw only had 4 missed tackles last season.

Originally posted by SFrush:

Kwon had 78 missed tackles over his four seasons with Tampa Bay. Greenlaw only had 4 missed tackles last season.

Like I said, below average tackler.

Originally posted by oregonniner:
Dre was a rookie last year. Aren't players supposed to have their biggest jump from year one to year two? I can only imagine the game will slow down for him and some leadership skills will rise. I like both players, but I think Greenlaw will surprise some people.

Originally posted by NCommand:
If the Bucs game last year is any indication, it seems like Saleh wants to run his base A TON (even in obvious passing situations), meaning all 3 LB's are on the field with Tartt often times lining up right next to them. And that was against a pass happy team too. He's got the speed and athleticism at the LB position and the rotating DL for immediate pressure to do it too.

Greenlaw as a big surprise to me, specially how he played up in Seadderall land. I agree with OregonNiner that Dre will show improvement in his second year, and I think it will be a huge improvement. I think he might even become as good in coverage as Kwon. NC, I view our LB's are oversized safties or undersized linebackers. Small and fast and I think the difference here would be tackling. I think the Wide 9 puts a premium on tackling because if base defense is in Wide 9, those Defensive Line splits are so wide the RB will have huge lanes to run through if he gets past the DLine. Hence, the speed and tackling would be a premium for me in base defense. That means I'm putting my chips on Dre with regards to base defense. As for pass defense, if you are in Nickle, I'd rather have the linebacker be looking to defend the run (vs a Linebacker covering a WR or TE), and sub in a extra DB for the Linebacker to have a better matchup against a receiving threat. To me, again, in nickel defense that would be Dre because in my Nickel scheme - the Linebacker is tasked to tackle the running back on draws or blow up screens, and that means he better be a great tackler.

Originally posted by SFrush:

Originally posted by fan49:

Originally posted by SFrush:

Greenlaw. Easy choice for me. I think he's more instinctive and a better tackler. Greenlaw has a very high football IQ. The only edge I give Kwon is in coverage but Greenlaw could very easily close the gap there.

Once again I'll make the statement He's like the Draymond Green of this defense. Worth more from stats you will never see. If the guy can stay healthy he's way better than greenlaw. I guess everybody here forgot the statement John Lynch and Kyle Shannon had about him when they signed him. 49ers biggest weaknesses were turnovers and sacks. Why do you think they brought in Alexander and deford. I understand the health concerns, but his impact is more than just what he is capable of doing physically. But again I noticed the defense fall off a little bit after he got injured

I think that's far fetched. If anything I would argue that comparison better describes Warner. Warner plays a much bigger hand in our communication on defense than Kwon. One of the flaws (PFF) on Kwon in Tampa Bay was too many missed tackles. I don't have those concerns with Greenlaw. The moment Greenlaw stepped in to replace Kwon he never looked overwhelmed on the field.

Is it really that far-fetched. Kwon's energy is more than obvious. I guess you forgot while he was injured he was still getting the whole team pumped up

Originally posted by fan49:

Originally posted by SFrush:

Originally posted by fan49:

Originally posted by SFrush:
Greenlaw. Easy choice for me. I think he's more instinctive and a better tackler. Greenlaw has a very high football IQ. The only edge I give Kwon is in coverage but Greenlaw could very easily close the gap there.

Once again I'll make the statement He's like the Draymond Green of this defense. Worth more from stats you will never see. If the guy can stay healthy he's way better than greenlaw. I guess everybody here forgot the statement John Lynch and Kyle Shannon had about him when they signed him. 49ers biggest weaknesses were turnovers and sacks. Why do you think they brought in Alexander and deford. I understand the health concerns, but his impact is more than just what he is capable of doing physically. But again I noticed the defense fall off a little bit after he got injured

I think that's far fetched. If anything I would argue that comparison better describes Warner. Warner plays a much bigger hand in our communication on defense than Kwon. One of the flaws (PFF) on Kwon in Tampa Bay was too many missed tackles. I don't have those concerns with Greenlaw. The moment Greenlaw stepped in to replace Kwon he never looked overwhelmed on the field.

Is it really that far-fetched. Kwon's energy is more than obvious. I guess you forgot while he was injured he was still getting the whole team pumped up

Kwon seemed to be superior in pass defense as well.

Originally posted by fan49:

Originally posted by SFrush:

Originally posted by fan49:

Originally posted by SFrush:
Greenlaw. Easy choice for me. I think he's more instinctive and a better tackler. Greenlaw has a very high football IQ. The only edge I give Kwon is in coverage but Greenlaw could very easily close the gap there.

Once again I'll make the statement He's like the Draymond Green of this defense. Worth more from stats you will never see. If the guy can stay healthy he's way better than greenlaw. I guess everybody here forgot the statement John Lynch and Kyle Shannon had about him when they signed him. 49ers biggest weaknesses were turnovers and sacks. Why do you think they brought in Alexander and deford. I understand the health concerns, but his impact is more than just what he is capable of doing physically. But again I noticed the defense fall off a little bit after he got injured

I think that's far fetched. If anything I would argue that comparison better describes Warner. Warner plays a much bigger hand in our communication on defense than Kwon. One of the flaws (PFF) on Kwon in Tampa Bay was too many missed tackles. I don't have those concerns with Greenlaw. The moment Greenlaw stepped in to replace Kwon he never looked overwhelmed on the field.

Is it really that far-fetched. Kwon's energy is more than obvious. I guess you forgot while he was injured he was still getting the whole team pumped up

Yeah it's far fetched. Pumping the team up? That lasts a few seconds then you play on.

While I love Kwons energy, I feel it's being a bit overrated impact wise. Our defense fell off because of a bunch of injuries all in the same period. DJ Jones and Taylor in and out of games, No Blair, No Moore, No Ford. Tartt got hurt. Aziz was also terrible and not ready to play, i think getting a competent LB Back was important, but that reflects more on a bad replacement than Kwom or Greenlaw. Hopefully we have 3 stud LBs playing, whoever wins the WLB spot

Originally posted by S41MAN:
While I love Kwons energy, I feel it's being a bit overrated impact wise. Our defense fell off because of a bunch of injuries all in the same period. DJ Jones and Taylor in and out of games, No Blair, No Moore, No Ford. Tartt got hurt. Aziz was also terrible and not ready to play, i think getting a competent LB Back was important, but that reflects more on a bad replacement than Kwom or Greenlaw. Hopefully we have 3 stud LBs playing, whoever wins the WLB spot

Personally, for an undrafted, I thought Azeez did a pretty good job. That linebacker squad looks pretty strong with Fred, Kwon, Dre, and Azeez. I got to hand that to Saleh and Demeco. They have become really good coaches.

Aziz was awful.

Originally posted by Heroism:
Aziz was awful.

I don't' remember him making many mistakes when he was on the field. For an undrafted, I thought he did well as a rotational player when he played. Finally, I didn't see any 49ers denials when Kwon was reportedly on a trade list with DeeFord, Brieda and Goodwin. I don't think they'd put Kwon on any trade block if Azeez was as awful as you said he was.

Originally posted by Giedi:

I don't' remember him making many mistakes when he was on the field. For an undrafted, I thought he did well as a rotational player when he played. Finally, I didn't see any 49ers denials when Kwon was reportedly on a trade list with DeeFord, Brieda and Goodwin. I don't think they'd put Kwon on any trade block if Azeez was as awful as you said he was.

No he was awful when he had to take on more responsibility...he was also like you said a UDFA coming off a torn ACL. Kid was a tackling machine in college, he can only get better but is nothing more than a depth guy STer at this pt which is fine.

Kwon being on the block (supposedly) is more about Dre than Azeez.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Giedi:
I don't' remember him making many mistakes when he was on the field. For an undrafted, I thought he did well as a rotational player when he played. Finally, I didn't see any 49ers denials when Kwon was reportedly on a trade list with DeeFord, Brieda and Goodwin. I don't think they'd put Kwon on any trade block if Azeez was as awful as you said he was.

No he was awful when he had to take on more responsibility...he was also like you said a UDFA coming off a torn ACL. Kid was a tackling machine in college, he can only get better but is nothing more than a depth guy STer at this pt which is fine.

Kwon being on the block (supposedly) is more about Dre than Azeez.

Maybe I need to rewatch the games he played in, because my impression was he didn't shine, but he didn't make any terrible errors either. That's what you want in an undrafted free agent. As for being terrible, he was (I think) on the practice squad or on special teams exclusively before being rotating in due to Kwon's injury.

Also, agree that one reason that Kwon was placed on the trade block was because of Dre. But, I dunno, to me Azeez looked good last year while Kwon was out. Now, he's in his second year and I hope he makes a jump in his performance and hopefully convinces the naysayers that he can play in the NFL.