Would you attend a 49ers game this coming season if you had to sign a waiver taking respo?

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Mooseman:
Fill the stadium, Go at your own risk. This virus is overblown. A few years back we had a heavy flu season with deaths around 60 to 80 thousand with vaccines.

I bet a you our deaths are much less than reported. It's so easy to put covid on the death certificate . Colorado has already admitted that mistakes have been made.

Don't want to minimize death, but destroying a economy is wrong. Just f**king use common sense

Wouldn't the death of employee's and costumers destroy the economy?

Just wondering...?

Bear with me, this is long, but I want to watch football so the math is much more important than say sleeping or something:

I refuse to touch the political (it is an election year), looking at the hard data, if individuals use caution, the risks don't seem to be as great as the original fears.

NYC is the best sample group since they have had by far the most antibody testing or people who have had the virus. So the most recent data I have found from NYC is fairly dated at this point, but 24.7% of people tested positive for the antivirus as of April 27 (previously had the virus per the CDC's site on antibodies)
Here is a link to the report of the number of people tested:
https://www.livescience.com/covid-antibody-test-results-new-york-test.html
Googling NYC, the population of the city itself is around 8,399,000. So 8,399,000 x .247 = 2,047,000 who have had the virus there.
Moving on to the JohnsHopkins data as of today, 28,232 have died in NYC including the people assumed to have died of the virus but were never tested.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Back to the numbers, 28,232 deaths is 1.3791890571568% of 2,047,000 so much lower than originally feared now that we can test more widely. Please consider that the 24.7% of people tested there is a few weeks old and per Governor Cuomomo as of today they are conducting 20,000 tests daily in NYC:
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/new-yorkers-need-to-get-tested-cuomo-says-700-statewide-sites-test-for-covid-19/2420689/
Once that new data comes in the 1.379% mortality rate will come down even further. So it will still be worse than the flu, but again not as bad as originally feared.

Who should avoid the Niner's game in order to prevent becoming a potential statistic? Realistically it is the 'at risk' people as defined here by the CDC:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/need-extra-precautions/people-at-higher-risk.html

The age-based data was available on the CDC website but it looks like they are screwing with it right now so the deaths specific to Covid19 are not posted at this time. I'll check back and update when they are.

Bottom line: If you don't have any pre-existing conditions and are in the under 60 crowd, that mortality rate goes down significantly.

***I am not a doctor, just a guy who is highly incentiveized to do math since football is involved.***

CDCs definition of antibodies:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/testing/serology-overview.html. ;

Originally posted by Niners_D:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Mooseman:
Fill the stadium, Go at your own risk. This virus is overblown. A few years back we had a heavy flu season with deaths around 60 to 80 thousand with vaccines.

I bet a you our deaths are much less than reported. It's so easy to put covid on the death certificate . Colorado has already admitted that mistakes have been made.

Don't want to minimize death, but destroying a economy is wrong. Just f**king use common sense

Wouldn't the death of employee's and costumers destroy the economy?

Just wondering...?

Bear with me, this is long, but I want to watch football so the math is much more important than say sleeping or something:

I refuse to touch the political (it is an election year), looking at the hard data, if individuals use caution, the risks don't seem to be as great as the original fears.

NYC is the best sample group since they have had by far the most antibody testing or people who have had the virus. So the most recent data I have found from NYC is fairly dated at this point, but 24.7% of people tested positive for the antivirus as of April 27 (previously had the virus per the CDC's site on antibodies)
Here is a link to the report of the number of people tested:
https://www.livescience.com/covid-antibody-test-results-new-york-test.html
Googling NYC, the population of the city itself is around 8,399,000. So 8,399,000 x .247 = 2,047,000 who have had the virus there.
Moving on to the JohnsHopkins data as of today, 28,232 have died in NYC including the people assumed to have died of the virus but were never tested.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Back to the numbers, 28,232 deaths is 1.3791890571568% of 2,047,000 so much lower than originally feared now that we can test more widely. Please consider that the 24.7% of people tested there is a few weeks old and per Governor Cuomomo as of today they are conducting 20,000 tests daily in NYC:
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/new-yorkers-need-to-get-tested-cuomo-says-700-statewide-sites-test-for-covid-19/2420689/
Once that new data comes in the 1.379% mortality rate will come down even further. So it will still be worse than the flu, but again not as bad as originally feared.

Who should avoid the Niner's game in order to prevent becoming a potential statistic? Realistically it is the 'at risk' people as defined here by the CDC:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/need-extra-precautions/people-at-higher-risk.html

The age-based data was available on the CDC website but it looks like they are screwing with it right now so the deaths specific to Covid19 are not posted at this time. I'll check back and update when they are.

Bottom line: If you don't have any pre-existing conditions and are in the under 60 crowd, that mortality rate goes down significantly.

***I am not a doctor, just a guy who is highly incentiveized to do math since football is involved.***

CDCs definition of antibodies:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/testing/serology-overview.html. ;

Great post Niners_D,

Looking at the data you provided the one thing that is missing is the fact that the population you mentioned; people under sixty with no pre-existing conditions. This population also interacts with the over 60 crowd and people with pre-existing conditions, most probably live with individuals from these vulnerable populations. With that said what do we do in these situations? Let some people endanger the lives of others?

But I hear you, if our civilization was all grown up and could make the right (informed) decisions simply most of the time, it could all work.

I love football and would go to games or watch games on T.V if given the opportunity. So I hope we have a season, national moral may depend on it.
Thanks for leaving the politics out of this my brother.

I'd go to a game tomorrow. Open up Vegas. I'd go there too because all the numbers are bull$hit. The head of the dept of health in Illinois said out loud what has been happening
All over the country. If you have pre existing conditions and die with Covid in your system you are listed as a Covid death. Here in Sacramento friends at our downtown hospital are being told to list people as Covid deaths, regardless what they died from. It's all crap. If you are still afraid stay home and batten down your hatches while us normal people get on with life. GO NINERS!!

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by pdizo916:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Nearly 100K dead isn't an overreaction, there's a good chance no fans will be allowed this year, this Coronavirus may never go away.

This is what the lefty liberals want you to think.

I'll believe the experts over some guy in the White House who thinks unapproved drugs or bleach, or malaria drugs or being injected with cleaning supplies will cure it.

Or how his idiot son said it's a hoax so he can't hold rallies, and will disappear after the election.

"Pre-existing conditions" is being used to muddy the conversation.
In a vast number of cases, these conditions are totally under control and are no longer life threatening to the individual.
Enter covid.
Person dies, but they have "pre-existing conditions" so not the viruses fault, therefore we should be allowed in nightclubs or whatever.

Also, a lot of people don't know they have one of these "conditions" because it hasn't been diagnosed yet.

Russian roulette anyone?

Originally posted by Who-is-Hayne:

"Pre-existing conditions" is being used to muddy the conversation.
In a vast number of cases, these conditions are totally under control and are no longer life threatening to the individual.
Enter covid.
Person dies, but they have "pre-existing conditions" so not the viruses fault, therefore we should be allowed in nightclubs or whatever.

Also, a lot of people don't know they have one of these "conditions" because it hasn't been diagnosed yet.

Russian roulette anyone?

Yes, makes sense. Just because some people with diabetes don't test for it the entire world should be locked down.

Eat an apple, go for a walk, beath fresh air and sleep enough. If you feel sick, go see a doctor.

I bought tickets for the Packers and saints game these days. Good to go.

I've been paranoid with crowds since forever, the times now make it worse.

There will be no Niner home games in front of fans this year, and possibly no "home" games in California at all this year. There will possibly be no fans at any NFL game all year. There is also a non-zero possibility of no NFL games whatsoever.

It sucks a lot. It hurts a ton of people in lots of different ways. But, better to tell hard truths and for all of us to get used to this early.

My 2 cents.

- Having "pre-existing conditions" and being older simply helps the virus do more damage to a person IMO...Most have worse immune systems, which obviously affects the bodies response to fight the virus...if you have an underlying condition, you may have to change the way you live your life (depending on condition) at this point. Is what it is.

-I do NOT believe the talk about how COVID will never go away. IMO that's a bunch of nonsense.

-This is NOT the flu however. Living in NY (thankfully not in the city), I have friends who work there and in healthcare (some went down to help). At one point there was a person dying every 20 mins in their hospital. One huge issue was the lack of PPE/ventilators and they simply didn't have the space/help to care for everyone. They had people on ventilators getting blood clots and being forced to cut off limbs and such because they couldn't do surgery...that s**t doesn't happen with the flu.

-NYC is filth. It's a breeding ground for bacteria and viruses. It's sad that a good potation of people dying are in low-income areas of the city. IMO going forward people are gonna have to slow down in general. Subways/public transportation closes down for a good cleaning on the reg. public spaces/restaurants do the same. Businesses need to give MORE sick days. If an employee is feeling sick they SHOULD stay home. We need to slow down in general.

-Regardless of the party you support, objectively you can't think this administration has done an amazing job from the start...It's been reactive not proactive from the beginning. It's been a f**k ton of pointing fingers and not truly leading.

-One major thing we've been told nonstop...flatten the curve, flatten the curve. Welp that s**t is flattening and it's time to start moving forward, people overall can't stay inside until there's a vaccine...Like some have said covid isn't gonna kill all of us, but having a massive depression can. That said, People NEED to be more aware/compassionate of others. If you're sick, stay home. If you have serious health issues, at this point you have to change you lifestyle until there's a vaccine. If you're going to see older folks, plan accordingly. Don't go to a concert then see you're grandparents the next day

-As far as football, I think games will be played and stadiums will be empty or half capacity. I think it will depend on the area and their protocols as well. Sucks finally get SF in NY and this s**t happens

As much as i would love to take my kid to a game this year i probably won't. Just to take the extra precaution.

Plus we can always watch it at home.

we'll jus have to wait until the next season to go.

san diego county has 194 covid deaths. Over the weekend the health director said that all but 6 can be directly attributed to dying from cover 19.

in colorodo, a guy who died from alcohol poisoning was listed as dying from covid 19. That case is gonna force the state to adjust their number of people who have died from Covid 19.

The numbers are being padded and our economy devastated over complete horse $hit numbers and the public is just taking them at face value. Sports has been torn away from us for a glorified flu. Hell, the "adjusted" numbers are going to shown to be less than a bad flu season. History is gonna judge you people afraid of your own shadows harshly. If we don't have pro and college football there will be hell to pay!!!!!

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:

san diego county has 194 covid deaths. Over the weekend the health director said that all but 6 can be directly attributed to dying from cover 19.

in colorodo, a guy who died from alcohol poisoning was listed as dying from covid 19. That case is gonna force the state to adjust their number of people who have died from Covid 19.

The numbers are being padded and our economy devastated over complete horse $hit numbers and the public is just taking them at face value. Sports has been torn away from us for a glorified flu. Hell, the "adjusted" numbers are going to shown to be less than a bad flu season. History is gonna judge you people afraid of your own shadows harshly. If we don't have pro and college football there will be hell to pay!!!!!

PREACH!

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:

san diego county has 194 covid deaths. Over the weekend the health director said that all but 6 can be directly attributed to dying from cover 19.

in colorodo, a guy who died from alcohol poisoning was listed as dying from covid 19. That case is gonna force the state to adjust their number of people who have died from Covid 19.

The numbers are being padded and our economy devastated over complete horse $hit numbers and the public is just taking them at face value. Sports has been torn away from us for a glorified flu. Hell, the "adjusted" numbers are going to shown to be less than a bad flu season. History is gonna judge you people afraid of your own shadows harshly.

Sounds like you live in an area that hasn't been affected like other parts of the country. Sounds like the virus hasn't affected you personally, that's awesome for you and I'm glad...that's doesn't mean it's doesn't exist.

Have numbers been padded? I think there's some truth to that.

On a personal level (like I said above) I live in a state that has experience a f**k ton of deaths...I have friends who worked directly in NYC in the hospitals. They're not lying. At one pt one death related to COVID symptoms every 20 minutes. People being put in induced comas (and on ventilators) because of stress on the body, only to wake up missing limbs because of blood clot issues. That's real life my man. Saying it's a glorified flu is a ignorant statement imo...It most certainly is not.

I do agree we've since flattened the curve (where I live) and it's time to start re-opening things it should be looked at based on area IMO...people just need to be considerate of other people around them going forward...Be clean and actually give a s**t about the person next to you.

The poll in this thread is obviously not scientific, but to best keep the integrity of it (avoid being hijacked by someone on the right or left spreading the word to come out and vote for political gain)...the 'in favor' of going to games was hovering around 63-65% last night, and around 60% right now. Any wild swings either direction from this range and it is no longer a loose sample of what actual 49er fans are thinking.

There is also reason to believe that there are cases of COVID deaths that have gone unreported. Nobody knows for sure. This is a really tough time since this virus is new and we don't know if it will die down in the summer or not. Here in Eugene they started reopening last Friday and I saw a lot of cars in the restaurant parking lots. I also saw a fair number of people not wearing masks in the supermarket. It seems like some people have just decided on their own that they've been cautious long enough and it's time to get back to normal. Problem is the virus isn't gone and infections will rise if people don't take precautions.

There are a lot of underlying conditions and they aren't limited to older people. Asthma and type 2 diabetes both are common in younger people and can cause complications if you get COVID-19. Hopefully we will get a vaccine sometime next year but I won't be surprised if we have to get a shot every year to protect against whatever strain is circulating. They already have found 30 different variations of this thing so like the flu there may need to be a different vaccine every year for it to be effective.

I agree that we can't stay quarantined forever but I'm also skeptical of the general public using any kind of common sense. Based on what I saw last Friday with people acting like everything was fine I'll be surprised if we don't see new cases in the next 2 or 3 weeks after going 2 weeks without any new cases. If that happens the stay home orders are probably going to go back in effect. The number of cases in the U.S. are continuing to go up. Texas is starting to see a big spike over the last week. You can't just look at what' going on in your town and make your judgement based on that. If people would use common sense when out then I would feel more confident about reopening but common sense and humans don't seem to mix.