What's Kittles Value?

Originally posted by Bobdawg78:
K. Williams is gonna be gone after this season, and T. Williams might be as well. Still upset we restructured Kwons deal, to basically make him un-cuttable for 2 more seasons. Had we not done that, we could have easily moved off of him after the 2020 season, and let Greenlaw take over his spot. Richburg is almost in the same boat, but we don't have someone capable of producing at a similar level right now, but we should draft someone in the 2021 draft to back up all 3 interior spots, and also battle for either of the Guard spots.

They still save $10M if they cut him after 2020. They can make it a post June 1st cut which spreads out that dead money.

If they feel JG is the LT guy, they can restructure his contract and save a s**t ton of cash...They're actually pretty flexible after this season with the cap, the big issue is what the cap will actually be

Originally posted by jersey49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jersey49er:
5 years 80 million, 16 annually, blows away the TE market by almost 5 million, gets paid more then Devante Adams and almost the same as Mike Evans, back load the deal where he could be restructured at the end or extended, problem solved. Might have to cut Dee Ford of Kwon next year to help, see who is more injured and that's the 1, Ford would be harder to replace bc Greenlaw looks like future star.

A former GM brought up McCaffrey's deal and said that's something realistic for Kittle.

Yeah, I think Mccaffeys deal is about the same I said offer right ? And as for the others coming up for new deals I truly believe in Paraag, I understand some can't get signed but the deals that will be signed will benefit the team financially

Yeah his contract is setup kinda weird...They say 4yrs $64M BUT it looks like they just extended him (playing out his 4th yr contract price), gave him basically the same GTD cash as if they were gonna give him the 5th yr option next yr anyway, and threw in a "dummy yr" in 2025. He basically got $25.8M in "new" money and get's cash now.

https://overthecap.com/player/christian-mccaffrey/5592/

If Kittle did something like this is would be great lol. SF probably wants a 5 yr deal and his agent wants 4 yrs.

Originally posted by NinerLegionnaire:
6 year extension for $99 mil. That's 16.5 per year.

I don't really care about the specific position. To me it's out of the skill position players who is the go to guy for each team? For the 49ers that's the Kittle Monster.

Even guys that aren't your typical AP or PB talent that are go to guys for their teams start at $14 mil per year on extensions.

Kittle is not only the #1 go to guy though. He is also arguably the 3rd best run blocker on the team. Which brings more value than your typical #1 WR who doesn't block LB's and DE's.

He is easily worth $18-21 mil per year.

But at $16.5 per year he gets to play in the best system for his skill set. I doubt the 49ers can go over this without letting go of significant talent.

The contract would work out to 7 years and around $100 million with his final year on his rookie deal. Which is something his Agent can tell everyone who will listen. "My guy is the first TE to sign a contract worth $100 million." "Yay me."

He could be 32 with a year left and get another 4 year extension and finish his career as a 49er. Or hit the market for the last one at 33.

First off, fire your agent if you sign a 6-7 yr deal players want short-term deals with MORE GTD cash, so they can get to FA again.

I'm glad you don't care about positional value in regards to payment BUT FOs across the league care. You set a president that can start a ripple affect.

So he's a great run-blocker, cool. A WR blocks but not to his level, we all get it. DOES kittle lineup on the outside? Does he get shadowed by a teams #1CB all game? Is he asked to block a teams best edge rusher all game? There's debate to be had on both sides.

He is NOT easily worth $18-$21M. If you told me I got to take Kelec or Ertz at $9 or Kittle at $18M I'm taking the other two, sorry fanhood aside most would as well. Hell Gronk never got more than $10.8M in a single season. There isn't a single team in the NFL that's gonna sign a TE to a "$100M dollar" deal.

There has to be somewhere to meet in the middle....Lynch already said they're gonna to reset the TE market, end of the day he IS a TE, not a WR, not a OT.

Originally posted by tjd808185:
AB ended the thread. The cap is going to shrink so you really have to hold firm at 11-12 mil a year. If that virus never hit and the cap was still going to explode I can easily see him making 16 a year.

Yup, end of the day he's either gonna play out that 5th yr contract (risk serious injury and not have "real cash") and get tagged in 2021 because of the virus...or sign a TE contract that will give him life change cash and reset the market at TE, but not in a way that is absurd.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Yup, end of the day he's either gonna play out that 5th yr contract (risk serious injury and not have "real cash") and get tagged in 2021 because of the virus...or sign a TE contract that will give him life change cash and reset the market at TE, but not in a way that is absurd.

Isn't he only on a 4 year deal though? Only 1st rounders have the 5th year option. He'll make 2.2 this year then he gets tagged at 10 mil next year with 20% raises on each additional tag.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Yup, end of the day he's either gonna play out that 5th yr contract (risk serious injury and not have "real cash") and get tagged in 2021 because of the virus...or sign a TE contract that will give him life change cash and reset the market at TE, but not in a way that is absurd.

Isn't he only on a 4 year deal though? Only 1st rounders have the 5th year option. He'll make 2.2 this year then he gets tagged at 10 mil next year with 20% raises on each additional tag.

sorry that was suppose to say 5th rd contract.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
First off, fire your agent if you sign a 6-7 yr deal players want short-term deals with MORE GTD cash, so they can get to FA again.

I'm glad you don't care about positional value in regards to payment BUT FOs across the league care. You set a president that can start a ripple affect.

So he's a great run-blocker, cool. A WR blocks but not to his level, we all get it. DOES kittle lineup on the outside? Does he get shadowed by a teams #1CB all game? Is he asked to block a teams best edge rusher all game? There's debate to be had on both sides.

He is NOT easily worth $18-$21M. If you told me I got to take Kelec or Ertz at $9 or Kittle at $18M I'm taking the other two, sorry fanhood aside most would as well. Hell Gronk never got more than $10.8M in a single season. There isn't a single team in the NFL that's gonna sign a TE to a "$100M dollar" deal.

There has to be somewhere to meet in the middle....Lynch already said they're gonna to reset the TE market, end of the day he IS a TE, not a WR, not a OT.

This!

Originally posted by tjd808185:
Isn't he only on a 4 year deal though? Only 1st rounders have the 5th year option. He'll make 2.2 this year then he gets tagged at 10 mil next year with 20% raises on each additional tag.

If he gets tagged a 3rd year it's 144% which would put him at around the 15.5M amount. He should go for 14M now and call it a day.

5 years 80 million. Get it done!!

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NinerLegionnaire:
6 year extension for $99 mil. That's 16.5 per year.

I don't really care about the specific position. To me it's out of the skill position players who is the go to guy for each team? For the 49ers that's the Kittle Monster.

Even guys that aren't your typical AP or PB talent that are go to guys for their teams start at $14 mil per year on extensions.

Kittle is not only the #1 go to guy though. He is also arguably the 3rd best run blocker on the team. Which brings more value than your typical #1 WR who doesn't block LB's and DE's.

He is easily worth $18-21 mil per year.

But at $16.5 per year he gets to play in the best system for his skill set. I doubt the 49ers can go over this without letting go of significant talent.

The contract would work out to 7 years and around $100 million with his final year on his rookie deal. Which is something his Agent can tell everyone who will listen. "My guy is the first TE to sign a contract worth $100 million." "Yay me."

He could be 32 with a year left and get another 4 year extension and finish his career as a 49er. Or hit the market for the last one at 33.

First off, fire your agent if you sign a 6-7 yr deal players want short-term deals with MORE GTD cash, so they can get to FA again.

I'm glad you don't care about positional value in regards to payment BUT FOs across the league care. You set a president that can start a ripple affect.

So he's a great run-blocker, cool. A WR blocks but not to his level, we all get it. DOES kittle lineup on the outside? Does he get shadowed by a teams #1CB all game? Is he asked to block a teams best edge rusher all game? There's debate to be had on both sides.

He is NOT easily worth $18-$21M. If you told me I got to take Kelec or Ertz at $9 or Kittle at $18M I'm taking the other two, sorry fanhood aside most would as well. Hell Gronk never got more than $10.8M in a single season. There isn't a single team in the NFL that's gonna sign a TE to a "$100M dollar" deal.

There has to be somewhere to meet in the middle....Lynch already said they're gonna to reset the TE market, end of the day he IS a TE, not a WR, not a OT.

Exactly, what's being said about him getting a "kittle" contract is just an attempt to gain leverage. It's not happening, the top paid TE is getting around 11 mil. Give him 12-14, in the end this is going to be a paraag contact which are always team friendly

5 YEAR 75M PLUS BONUSES SHOULD DO IT

5 yrs $70M with around $30M FGTD (total GTD a little more) this would be more than fair deal IMO. That's a s**t TON of cash for a TE.

He would be getting $11M more in FGTD money than the highest TE contract, He would be making like $4M more per yr than any TE (which is a lot considering the highest paid TE on a LT contract is getting like $10.5 on avg).

If they want to bring up WR...That would make Kittle the 8th highest paid WR in FGTD $, that puts him right around Diggs and Arob as far as per yr go, total money would be 9th highest among WRs as well.

The last 4 posts are awesome 5 years 80, 5 years 75, 5 years 70

I think we should get him for 5 years 65 mill

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
The last 4 posts are awesome 5 years 80, 5 years 75, 5 years 70

I think we should get him for 5 years 65 mill

Even at that # he would be crushing the TE market lol.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
The last 4 posts are awesome 5 years 80, 5 years 75, 5 years 70

I think we should get him for 5 years 65 mill

Even at that # he would be crushing the TE market lol.

This

IMO, 14 M + Bonuses would seal the deal