What's Kittles Value?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
$100M or more?!

He's not a QB.

Yeah, that's way too much for a TE.

Love me some Kittle, he's the face of the franchise...he is also a TE. There's gotta be a meet in the middle contract. If not then he's gonna ride out his 5th rd contract and multiple tags.

I also think Kittle has more value in SF then most teams in the NFL...I can't see him making Julio Jones cash in FA.

Both sides understand this. Anything more than his current 5th year plus multiple tags in a long term deal is a gift from the 49ers. Kittle knows this. He can say he's "more than a TE" all he wants (he is by the way) but that's not how contracts in the NFL work. This is all for show by his agent to squeeze a little more out of the Niners.

I need some goddamn George Kittle re-signing news.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
$100M or more?!

He's not a QB.

Yeah, that's way too much for a TE.

Love me some Kittle, he's the face of the franchise...he is also a TE. There's gotta be a meet in the middle contract. If not then he's gonna ride out his 5th rd contract and multiple tags.

I also think Kittle has more value in SF then most teams in the NFL...I can't see him making Julio Jones cash in FA.

Both sides understand this. Anything more than his current 5th year plus multiple tags in a long term deal is a gift from the 49ers. Kittle knows this. He can say he's "more than a TE" all he wants (he is by the way) but that's not how contracts in the NFL work. This is all for show by his agent to squeeze a little more out of the Niners.

Yeah there's got to be some middle ground. You can smash the TE market and still not be paid like a top 5 WR (because end of he day he isn't).

I've been throwing out something like 5yrs $70M with something like $30M FGTD. That crushes any FGTD $ given to a TE and is a s**t ton of cash...it put's him in the top 10 among WRs in FGTD $ and right around Diggs/Arob in APY $ Toss in getting advertising dollars being the face of a franchise etc...

It gives SF a little wiggle room to help pay other guys and figure how to maneuver within the cap as well. I'd like to know what SF thinks he's worth and what Kittle's agent thinks.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
$100M or more?!

He's not a QB.

Yeah, that's way too much for a TE.

Love me some Kittle, he's the face of the franchise...he is also a TE. There's gotta be a meet in the middle contract. If not then he's gonna ride out his 5th rd contract and multiple tags.

I also think Kittle has more value in SF then most teams in the NFL...I can't see him making Julio Jones cash in FA.

Both sides understand this. Anything more than his current 5th year plus multiple tags in a long term deal is a gift from the 49ers. Kittle knows this. He can say he's "more than a TE" all he wants (he is by the way) but that's not how contracts in the NFL work. This is all for show by his agent to squeeze a little more out of the Niners.

Yeah there's got to be some middle ground. You can smash the TE market and still not be paid like a top 5 WR (because end of he day he isn't).

I've been throwing out something like 5yrs $70M with something like $30M FGTD. That crushes any FGTD $ given to a TE and is a s**t ton of cash...it put's him in the top 10 among WRs in FGTD $ and right around Diggs/Arob in APY $ Toss in getting advertising dollars being the face of a franchise etc...

It gives SF a little wiggle room to help pay other guys and figure how to maneuver within the cap as well. I'd like to know what SF thinks he's worth and what Kittle's agent thinks.

I'd imagine that SF is thinking he's worth a little less than that and Kittle's agent is asking for top 5 WR money. I'm sure his agent is bringing Kittle's blocking into this, would should be a part of the equation. He's not JUST a TE. Everyone gets that. He should be far and away the top paid TE.

I think your deal is more than fair and Kittle would be stupid to not take that. And if he didn't, then trade him for a 1st and 3rd or something like that. Shanahan's system would be just fine without him.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Yeah there's got to be some middle ground. You can smash the TE market and still not be paid like a top 5 WR (because end of he day he isn't).

I've been throwing out something like 5yrs $70M with something like $30M FGTD. That crushes any FGTD $ given to a TE and is a s**t ton of cash...it put's him in the top 10 among WRs in FGTD $ and right around Diggs/Arob in APY $ Toss in getting advertising dollars being the face of a franchise etc...

It gives SF a little wiggle room to help pay other guys and figure how to maneuver within the cap as well. I'd like to know what SF thinks he's worth and what Kittle's agent thinks.

I think the annual dollar figure is right and the guarantee too. I have a hunch that Kittle will want a shorter deal in order to hit free agency again younger rather than older. Probably prefers a 3 year deal but will settle for 4 year deal.

Originally posted by mayo49:

I need some goddamn George Kittle re-signing news.

I think we'll get some when training camp gets closer.

Originally posted by Furlow:
I'd imagine that SF is thinking he's worth a little less than that and Kittle's agent is asking for top 5 WR money. I'm sure his agent is bringing Kittle's blocking into this, would should be a part of the equation. He's not JUST a TE. Everyone gets that. He should be far and away the top paid TE.

I think Kittle's blocking is valuable, but generally speaking, unless you are an elite OT-type blocker, the market values outside receiving more based upon WR pay. Every play that Kittle is going out for receptions, he is providing less value. Of course, there is absolutely added value in that versatility that I'm not accounting for in that analysis. I know you didn't really talk about his receiving, but imo, Kittle's receiving, while valuable, also doesn't come from the outside which makes it less valuable. Compare the pay of outside WRs versus slot WRs.

Kittle wants to be paid like an elite outside WR or an elite OT, but he's not even close to as good as either in terms of his skillset. He is still a TE. He's the best TE in the game and the TE marker is currently undervalued. So, he's definitely right to want a massive payday that smashes the current TE market. I just don't think his skillset somehow makes him more than a TE.

Originally posted by dhp318:

Originally posted by Furlow:
I'd imagine that SF is thinking he's worth a little less than that and Kittle's agent is asking for top 5 WR money. I'm sure his agent is bringing Kittle's blocking into this, would should be a part of the equation. He's not JUST a TE. Everyone gets that. He should be far and away the top paid TE.

I think Kittle's blocking is valuable, but generally speaking, unless you are an elite OT-type blocker, the market values outside receiving more based upon WR pay. Every play that Kittle is going out for receptions, he is providing less value. Of course, there is absolutely added value in that versatility that I'm not accounting for in that analysis. I know you didn't really talk about his receiving, but imo, Kittle's receiving, while valuable, also doesn't come from the outside which makes it less valuable. Compare the pay of outside WRs versus slot WRs.

Kittle wants to be paid like an elite outside WR or an elite OT, but he's not even close to as good as either in terms of his skillset. He is still a TE. He's the best TE in the game and the TE marker is currently undervalued. So, he's definitely right to want a massive payday that smashes the current TE market. I just don't think his skillset somehow makes him more than a TE.

The Niners average 2 yards more per carry when he's in the game. That is elite OT-type blocking.

I agree, he's still a TE. But to dismiss him as "just" a TE does his play a disservice. He deserves to be the highest paid TE and I don't mean just barely where the next guy the year after catches him. His contract should keep him the highest paid TE for at least a couple of years.

Wouldn't be surprised if he got a Cousins-like very short contract with high guarantees.

He'll make more money by retiring and going into Pro Wrestling.

Originally posted by All22:
Wouldn't be surprised if he got a Cousins-like very short contract with high guarantees.

He'll make more money by retiring and going into Pro Wrestling.

LOL he honestly might have more post-career options than Gronk by the time he's 30 the rate he's going, could totally see him doing something with Barstool Sports. I agree that he would want a deal moreso in the 3-4 year range rather than longer as the current TV rights expire after that time, and assuming these get raised, the salary cap and in turn contracts will likely rise. Also, Kittle would be in line essentially for the last big contract assuming health around this point in his career, but as the team guy while still being so immensely valuable, the potential scenario I could see is a three year deal around 45 million deal with a 20 mil team option for the fourth year. With his play style, hope Kittle secures the bag ASAP. No one for the immediate future currently on the roster is going to get a big deal besides Kittle, besides maybe Trent Williams, so we have room to reward arguably our most valuable asset.

Originally posted by Furlow:
The Niners average 2 yards more per carry when he's in the game. That is elite OT-type blocking.

I agree, he's still a TE. But to dismiss him as "just" a TE does his play a disservice. He deserves to be the highest paid TE and I don't mean just barely where the next guy the year after catches him. His contract should keep him the highest paid TE for at least a couple of years.

Not going to happen. His price would have to be so inflated no other team would consider it, and the obviously bad consequences of so doing need not be laid out here. His contract, like other contracts at other positions, will be surpassed in short order. Hence why it makes little sense to offer him so much more than the next guy. You're just painting yourself in a corner, and Paraag knows better than that.

Why not 15 plus incentives? All pro playoffs super bowl? Etc. Upto say 17. Why not.

Perhaps we should offer him what he would get if we were to tag him for 3 years, and make it all guaranteed. Basically offer him a 3 year extension at around 36-39 million, make it fully guaranteed, and then have it in there where we can not tag him when the deal is up. This way he locks in his guarantees, while also breaking the TE record of AAV, and still controls when he becomes a FA.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Why not 15 plus incentives? All pro playoffs super bowl? Etc. Upto say 17. Why not.

Because that's 150%+ more than the next guy. It's not realistic. You may start at extreme values, but you certainly don't settle on them.

And a fully guaranteed contract isn't likely either, because it's not in the interest of the team. And that's what matters most.

3 years 40M w/25M guaranteed or 4 years 52M w/ 35M guaranteed.

first off I'm happy for him not matter how much he get. As for what he is worth well that's what ever he can get. I do not see any NFL team paying 20 mil. !!!!!! A bunch of the same things that are being said about Kittle where being said about Jimmy Graham in 2014 2015. In 2013 and 2014 I think Graham was a better WR then Kittle. He was a monster and lined up in the slot allot. 16 and 10 TD years. Kittle is better blocker then Graham. Graham wanted WR money and the Saints didn't want to pay him. He was trade to Seahawks he played 3 yr and made 27 mil. I'm trying to say this is not the first time this has happen. I liked Graham and when the Seahawks trade for him it sucked but he never was the same after he left the Saints. TD went to 2, 6,back to 10, then 2 and 3. In 2019 his cap number with the Packers was 12.7 mil. Kittle should be some where around 11 to 13 cap number, counting base and bonus money. Again if there is a team that want to pay him more great for him. That is just not the market is for a TE. FYI Jimmy Graham trade was Jimmy and a fourth-round pick to the Seahawks for center Max Unger and first-round pick.