What's Kittles Value?

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by English:
In an effort to inflate Kittle's perceived value his agent is twitting that he is unique, one of a kind, a unicorn. I am beginning to think that this will not end well.

Unfortunately, he's pretty much right.

And is anyone else in football gonna play what this "unicorn" wants? I mean, I think it's debatable.

I do wonder what other teams would pay.

Not just salary but what would someone be willing to trade for Kittle and then pick up some really high salary?

Kittle is obviously great, but I think I would rather have Hooper at $10.5 million/yr than Kittle at $16-17

Originally posted by jdzimme3:
I think 5 years - 75 million with 45 guaranteed is a nice deal for both player and team. Kittle is certainly worth significantly more than what the top TE contract is now and this would be about a 50% bump over hunter henry who is the current top paid te. 15 per puts him just outta the top 10 wrs paid. Years 4 and 5 are nice team options at 15 per and could be a deal at that point.

The team should just get this done, he is the face of our team in many ways. George should get it done to avoid the distraction and sign before covid potentially messes with his earning potential.

Jimmy G got like $48M FGTD...no way they give Kittle that much FGTD $ nor should they. The only WR that has more FGTD cash is Julio...

The highest FGTD cash for a TE is Hooper (signed contract, not draft position cash) is like $18.5M lol. You basically want to give him 2.5 times more cash then the highest paid TE in football currently.

s**t that's like saying Mahomes should get $236.25M in fully guaranteed cash

Originally posted by Midbay:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by English:
In an effort to inflate Kittle's perceived value his agent is twitting that he is unique, one of a kind, a unicorn. I am beginning to think that this will not end well.

Unfortunately, he's pretty much right.

And is anyone else in football gonna play what this "unicorn" wants? I mean, I think it's debatable.

I do wonder what other teams would pay.

Not just salary but what would someone be willing to trade for Kittle and then pick up some really high salary?

Kittle is obviously great, but I think I would rather have Hooper at $10.5 million/yr than Kittle at $16-17

Yeah and not every team uses their TE like we do.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Midbay:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by English:
In an effort to inflate Kittle's perceived value his agent is twitting that he is unique, one of a kind, a unicorn. I am beginning to think that this will not end well.

Unfortunately, he's pretty much right.

And is anyone else in football gonna play what this "unicorn" wants? I mean, I think it's debatable.

I do wonder what other teams would pay.

Not just salary but what would someone be willing to trade for Kittle and then pick up some really high salary?

Kittle is obviously great, but I think I would rather have Hooper at $10.5 million/yr than Kittle at $16-17

Yeah and not every team uses their TE like we do.

Interesting that this great system which contributes to many offensive players successes also makes them more replaceable.

Juszczyk is kind of unicornish for a FB these days, but he only makes $5 million this year. Him going down really hurts the offense, but he still only gets paid that much.

It seems to me Kyle is loathe to have offensive players take up large chunks of the salary cap. He might pay real money for a LT or QB, but not so much elsewhere. "Overpaying" for someone like Juszczyk isn't a big deal in the big picture, and that is part of what makes the beast work. Paying low real rates for orphan players who produce results like players getting paid far more in other systems.

Originally posted by English:

In an effort to inflate Kittle's perceived value his agent is twitting that he is unique, one of a kind, a unicorn. I am beginning to think that this will not end well.

I'm sure kittle wants to get paid, but I'm hoping he also has some common sense in these negotiations.
I think $13 million/year is fair for both sides.

It'd be very disappointing if Kittle is the one telling his agent to come out with these outrageous comments.

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:
I'm sure kittle wants to get paid, but I'm hoping he also has some common sense in these negotiations.
I think $13 million/year is fair for both sides.

Per SI:

"Instead of paying Kittle $18 million in 2020, they can pay him $2.1 million -- that's what he's under contract for. Then in 2021, when he's an unrestricted free agent, the 49ers can give him the franchise tag, which pays tight ends roughly $10.6 million.

In 2022, the 49ers can give Kittle the franchise tag again. That would give him a 120-percent raise, and pay him $12.7 million.

And in 2023, the 49ers can give Kittle the franchise tag a third and final time. He would receive another 120-percent raise and earn $15.3 million. Then in 2024, when Kittle is 30, he can be a free agent. But the 49ers would have paid him only $39 million from 2020 to 2023, as opposed to $90 million for five years."

Per these #s, that averages out to about $10.18 Million over 4,.... and $12.87 Million the last 3.

Perhaps Kittle going this route is a risk, but if we're talking $13 Million a year to guarantee his services, where is the reward???

This is alot more interesting than any other deal there is for the 49ers to make, IMO. Because if you aren't going to pay a guy like Kittle,...then just who exactly are you willing to pay?

Like the article says,...the agent's just doing his job,....shouldn't be any cause for alarm aside from that. But the pressure is certainly on the 49ers to "do the right thing" if Kittle hasn't lost a step after being woefully underpaid the past couple of years.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:
I'm sure kittle wants to get paid, but I'm hoping he also has some common sense in these negotiations.
I think $13 million/year is fair for both sides.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Midbay:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by English:

In an effort to inflate Kittle's perceived value his agent is twitting that he is unique, one of a kind, a unicorn. I am beginning to think that this will not end well.

Unfortunately, he's pretty much right.

And is anyone else in football gonna play what this "unicorn" wants? I mean, I think it's debatable.

I do wonder what other teams would pay.

Not just salary but what would someone be willing to trade for Kittle and then pick up some really high salary?

Kittle is obviously great, but I think I would rather have Hooper at $10.5 million/yr than Kittle at $16-17

Yeah and not every team uses their TE like we do.

That's because nobody else has a Kittle as much as anything.

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by English:
In an effort to inflate Kittle's perceived value his agent is twitting that he is unique, one of a kind, a unicorn. I am beginning to think that this will not end well.

I'm sure kittle wants to get paid, but I'm hoping he also has some common sense in these negotiations.
I think $13 million/year is fair for both sides.

Agreed, somewhere in this range. Up the guaranteed dollars to make it more lucrative.

A player like Kittle highlights the amazingly bad deals that the players sign off on with these franchise tag tender values. The list of TEs that I guess is supposed to set Kittle's worth simply don't bring to their teams anything near what Kittle does. Yet a rookie contract can easily tie a player down for essentially the entire span of his career,...or at least his prime years.

7 years with no opt-out clause or anything simply because you were overlooked as a prospect,....which is why we're seeing more and more players simply sit out the year, as it's their only recourse. Not talking about Kittle personally,...just the s***ty situation the players collectively put themselves in in a rush to get deals done.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

I'm sure kittle wants to get paid, but I'm hoping he also has some common sense in these negotiations.
I think $13 million/year is fair for both sides.

Yea I guess $13 mill is definitely to high

Since no one has ever seen anyone like George, IDK if $13 mil is fair. He is golden in the locker room, is obviously a team leader, is the best blocking TE in hx, and oh, yeah, catches a hell of a ball. Had 15 straight catches last yr at one point. # of drops is... i can remember 2 , maybe 3, both tough with somebody draped on him. And once he catches the ball the guy takes 3 DBs to bring him down with two pulling on his face mask. Surely you didn't forget that one from last yr.

NY made a great case for not even thinking about $20 mil. Agreed. But $15 mil for a guy who is our #1 WR? Yeah, that's what he does when he isn't blocking. The ONE Best player in the NFL last yr (not a QB), who had the highest PFF rating of any player. Buck was fantastic, But George is unbelievable. One thing he allows kyle to do is go wth three #2 WRs. Who knows if Aiyuc is a #1 or not. In fact it doesn't matter because of Kittle. I could see a partial way out by designating kittle a WR/TE . Remember already he is one of Kyle's trifecta guys...WR/TE/RB. I would designate him as such and pay him $15 mil, altho that isn't what I would first offer. That's where i would be comfortable settling. And forget about the #1 WR. We don't need him. Kittle's already playing WR....and TE....and RB.

If somebody else wants that kind of money, first he has to be the best WR, TE, and best blocker in the league. On rare occasions an exceptional player comes along with talents , top of the line talents (better than anyone else at those positions ) , which truly allows us not to need a #1 WR nor pay one, so we make it up on our one exceptional exception. I think $15 mil is fair. GTD you can work out.