What's Kittles Value?

If the Niners play the franchise game with George, he will earn less than 30 m over the next 3 season. I would comprise and give him 3 years @ 40m with the guarantee that the Niners can not use the franchise tag at end of 3 years.
George gets an extra 10m and a chance for 1 more huge deal in three years and the Niners get to save the reputation/drama of having one of their most popular players holding out .

Kittle deserves at least the same money Armstead is going to make with his new contract.

Originally posted by matt49er:
So your argument is you can pay him enough to reset the market but not $18....what's the difference $3-4M/year? So a Tevin Coleman type of deal would have to be sacrificed and that would ruin our cap would it?

The Niners aren't paying top dollar for any of their WRs or CBs which many teams are, we would simply be paying a TE top money instead of a WR. The caps going up, we have flexibility in ALL of our current long term deals. We can certainly afford to keep an elite player for what he's worth.

Last point, I do agree contracts are in part based on positional values. Those get blown up, a RB just got $16M/year, the TE market hasn't moved, someone is gonna have to blow it up at some point and the Niners got the right player to do it. He's not a guy who can be replaced

If you pay Kittle 18M annually, you didn't reset the market, you completely blew it up. That's nearly a 175% increase over the current market value. There is no way I am offering a TE that much, even if salaries for TEs haven't increased at the same rate as other positions. There is a reason for that. Personally, I don't think he should get 15M. Offer him 13M or so and be done with it. That's about 20% higher than the next contract, in terms of annual salary. That's a significant bump.

If you pay Kittle 175% current market value, what do you have to offer Trent if he balls out this year? His position is far more valuable (league wide) than Kittle's. The same is true vis-à-vis Bosa. Kittle's contract does not exist in a vacuum. It has a domino effect. So that 3-4M you mention adds up to a lot more than that overall.

Re RBs, annually, McCaffrey is making less than 10% more than Elliott who in turn is making less than 15% more than Bell and Johnson. But the 49ers should pay Kittle almost double what the next highest paid TE is making?

Further, I never said paying Kittle would ruin the 49ers' current cap situation, I said any team paying a TE 18M+ annually won't be able to remain competitive long. And they won't, unless A) you have a bunch of talented players taking team friendly deals and or B) you draft with a success rate far above the historical average. Having A and or B occur is highly unlikely, and it would be foolhardy of the 49ers brass to assume such.

Additionally, just because the 49ers are not paying other positions as much as other teams, does not mean they should pay a TE more than the market demands. If Kittle is only about the money (not saying he is), he isn't going to find a team willing to pay him anywhere near 18M annually. His value is, very likely, highest with the 49ers. Their scheme / coaching makes it so. That isn't to say he can't make more on another team, but he isn't going to make anywhere near 18M annually. And he shouldn't.

Finally, I accept Kittle would be difficult to replace, but no one is irreplaceable. And you have to figure out how to pay / field a competitive team.

Originally posted by Koldo:

Kittle deserves at least the same money Armstead is going to make with his new contract.

Kittle sacking QBs?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Kittle deserves at least the same money Armstead is going to make with his new contract.

Kittle sacking QBs?

Armstead catching touchdowns?

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Kittle deserves at least the same money Armstead is going to make with his new contract.

Kittle sacking QBs?

Armstead catching touchdowns?

Nope, I'm pretty sure kyle is better at scheming TDs than Saleh is with getting sacks, no?

You won't find a single GM that thinks a TE is more important than a DE than can play inside/outside.

If you think Kittle should get top WR money, how much they gonna pay Trent Williams? $25M per? How about Deebo in a couple yrs $20M? Warner gonna get $20M too? You're setting the bar as if positional value/market doesn't matter

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Nope, I'm pretty sure kyle is better at scheming TDs than Saleh is with getting sacks, no?

You won't find a single GM that thinks a TE is more important than a DE than can play inside/outside.

If you think Kittle should get top WR money, how much they gonna pay Trent Williams? $25M per? How about Deebo in a couple yrs $20M? Warner gonna get $20M too? You're setting the bar as if positional value/market doesn't matter

That last paragraph is exactly it NY. In this what about me world we live in nowadays, can't be going away from positional/market value

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Kittle deserves at least the same money Armstead is going to make with his new contract.

Kittle sacking QBs?

No, Kittle being clutch, Kittle bailing Jimmy G/Shanahan out, Kittle blocking like a beast in the run game.

Not sure we extend Trent anyways unless he comes at a reasonable price.
No one knows that . He may just be a temporary signing ala Sanders. Are we going to let McGlinchey walk when his contract comes up because we paid big bucks to Trent?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Kittle deserves at least the same money Armstead is going to make with his new contract.

Kittle sacking QBs?

Armstead catching touchdowns?

Nope, I'm pretty sure kyle is better at scheming TDs than Saleh is with getting sacks, no?

You won't find a single GM that thinks a TE is more important than a DE than can play inside/outside.

If you think Kittle should get top WR money, how much they gonna pay Trent Williams? $25M per? How about Deebo in a couple yrs $20M? Warner gonna get $20M too? You're setting the bar as if positional value/market doesn't matter

Lol Armstead is more valuable than Kittle that's what your saying lol. Okay I'm done

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Kittle deserves at least the same money Armstead is going to make with his new contract.

Kittle sacking QBs?

No, Kittle being clutch, Kittle bailing Jimmy G/Shanahan out, Kittle blocking like a beast in the run game.

Didn't they avg 30 pts in the two games without Kittle this yr?

I'm not demeaning his worth on this team...I think people are overvaluing it based on the numbers being thrown out there. There isn't a single team in the NFL that's gonna pay him $100M

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Lol Armstead is more valuable than Kittle that's what your saying lol. Okay I'm done

I mean is Kittle more valuable than our QB? Sounds like some people are actually debating that...guess we should pay him more the JG too then lol.

AA's position is worth more and you won't find a single GM that would disagree.

When you totally disregard positional value when it comes to money, why the f**k shouldn't other players that play another positions ask for a ton more??

Why shouldn't TW ask for 50% more than the highest LT in football, if Kittle got it? Why shouldn't Warner ask for 50% more than the highest LBer? Why shouldn't Bosa/McG/Deebo ask for 50% more then the highest paid player at their position when it's their turn?

Kittle should absolutely crush the TE market...if he wants Julio Jones type money made he should have play WR? If we're talking about DE money, maybe he should play DE

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Not sure we extend Trent anyways unless he comes at a reasonable price.
No one knows that . He may just be a temporary signing ala Sanders. Are we going to let McGlinchey walk when his contract comes up because we paid big bucks to Trent?

So you think McGlinchey is gonna play for peanuts when he's due for a new contract? Same with Warner/bosa/Deebo etc?

All of these guys are gonna want to get paid.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Koldo:
Kittle deserves at least the same money Armstead is going to make with his new contract.

Kittle sacking QBs?

Armstead catching touchdowns?

going with those logic, he should get paid half of what armstead got.

armstead - 10 sacks
kittle - 5 tds

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tjd808185:
Not sure we extend Trent anyways unless he comes at a reasonable price.
No one knows that . He may just be a temporary signing ala Sanders. Are we going to let McGlinchey walk when his contract comes up because we paid big bucks to Trent?

So you think McGlinchey is gonna play for peanuts when he's due for a new contract? Same with Warner/bosa/Deebo etc?

All of these guys are gonna want to get paid.

It's going to be a b***h getting those guys re-signed.