What's Kittles Value?

Originally posted by jersey49er:

5 years 80 million, 16 annually, blows away the TE market by almost 5 million, gets paid more then Devante Adams and almost the same as Mike Evans, back load the deal where he could be restructured at the end or extended, problem solved. Might have to cut Dee Ford of Kwon next year to help, see who is more injured and that's the 1, Ford would be harder to replace bc Greenlaw looks like future star.

A former GM brought up McCaffrey's deal and said that's something realistic for Kittle.

Make him the highest paid TE with a front loaded contract. Put the other teams in a salary cap bind with their TEs. After the front load is done, Kittle will look cheap.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Make him the highest paid TE with a front loaded contract. Put the other teams in a salary cap bind with their TEs. After the front load is done, Kittle will look cheap.

Except, that would screw us at the same time. We've got a bunch of other key guys coming up that are just as important as Kittle that need extensions. We're already pretty close to the cap, and we still need to get Jimmy, Williams, McGlinchey (eventually) resigned. Hopefully this mega deal nonsense is just that, and Kittle will be reasonable and take a somewhat team friendly approach to his contract.

K. Williams is gonna be gone after this season, and T. Williams might be as well. Still upset we restructured Kwons deal, to basically make him un-cuttable for 2 more seasons. Had we not done that, we could have easily moved off of him after the 2020 season, and let Greenlaw take over his spot. Richburg is almost in the same boat, but we don't have someone capable of producing at a similar level right now, but we should draft someone in the 2021 draft to back up all 3 interior spots, and also battle for either of the Guard spots.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 60sFan:
Here's the thing, if we tag him and a team wants to sign him for more, they have to give up 2 first rounders. Fine! Plus we can tag him for 3 years if we want and still pay under 40M for 4 years. I love Kittle. He decided to be a TE. He was a wide receiver coming out of highschool. He never would have been the success he's been as a TE if he were a WR. Simply, he is not worth top WR money.

They can use exclusive tag and he can't negotiate with other teams. Non-exclusive he can and we can match any offer, if not like you said we get two 1sts...no team is doing that for a TE.

They might use non-exclusive during any of the 3 years they can tag him. Might not be a bad ploy at some point.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jersey49er:

5 years 80 million, 16 annually, blows away the TE market by almost 5 million, gets paid more then Devante Adams and almost the same as Mike Evans, back load the deal where he could be restructured at the end or extended, problem solved. Might have to cut Dee Ford of Kwon next year to help, see who is more injured and that's the 1, Ford would be harder to replace bc Greenlaw looks like future star.

A former GM brought up McCaffrey's deal and said that's something realistic for Kittle.

Yeah, I think Mccaffeys deal is about the same I said offer right ? And as for the others coming up for new deals I truly believe in Paraag, I understand some can't get signed but the deals that will be signed will benefit the team financially

Originally posted by Bobdawg78:

K. Williams is gonna be gone after this season, and T. Williams might be as well. Still upset we restructured Kwons deal, to basically make him un-cuttable for 2 more seasons. Had we not done that, we could have easily moved off of him after the 2020 season, and let Greenlaw take over his spot. Richburg is almost in the same boat, but we don't have someone capable of producing at a similar level right now, but we should draft someone in the 2021 draft to back up all 3 interior spots, and also battle for either of the Guard spots.

Forgot we restructured Kwons deal.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Not sure we extend Trent anyways unless he comes at a reasonable price.
No one knows that . He may just be a temporary signing ala Sanders. Are we going to let McGlinchey walk when his contract comes up because we paid big bucks to Trent?

Trent holds more value to the team.

I'd rather we extended T. Williams and let McGlinchey walk.

RT's are going for around 10 million a season. We should be able to give that to McGlinchey when the time comes, also we have McGlinchey under team control for 3 more seasons (two of rookie deal+5th year option) so no need to be worrying about McGlinchey right now.

6 year extension for $99 mil. That's 16.5 per year.

I don't really care about the specific position. To me it's out of the skill position players who is the go to guy for each team? For the 49ers that's the Kittle Monster.

Even guys that aren't your typical AP or PB talent that are go to guys for their teams start at $14 mil per year on extensions.

Kittle is not only the #1 go to guy though. He is also arguably the 3rd best run blocker on the team. Which brings more value than your typical #1 WR who doesn't block LB's and DE's.

He is easily worth $18-21 mil per year.

But at $16.5 per year he gets to play in the best system for his skill set. I doubt the 49ers can go over this without letting go of significant talent.

The contract would work out to 7 years and around $100 million with his final year on his rookie deal. Which is something his Agent can tell everyone who will listen. "My guy is the first TE to sign a contract worth $100 million." "Yay me."

He could be 32 with a year left and get another 4 year extension and finish his career as a 49er. Or hit the market for the last one at 33.

Originally posted by NinerLegionnaire:
6 year extension for $99 mil. That's 16.5 per year.

I don't really care about the specific position. To me it's out of the skill position players who is the go to guy for each team? For the 49ers that's the Kittle Monster.

Even guys that aren't your typical AP or PB talent that are go to guys for their teams start at $14 mil per year on extensions.

Kittle is not only the #1 go to guy though. He is also arguably the 3rd best run blocker on the team. Which brings more value than your typical #1 WR who doesn't block LB's and DE's.

He is easily worth $18-21 mil per year.

But at $16.5 per year he gets to play in the best system for his skill set. I doubt the 49ers can go over this without letting go of significant talent.

The contract would work out to 7 years and around $100 million with his final year on his rookie deal. Which is something his Agent can tell everyone who will listen. "My guy is the first TE to sign a contract worth $100 million." "Yay me."

He could be 32 with a year left and get another 4 year extension and finish his career as a 49er. Or hit the market for the last one at 33.

Except he isn't.

Your third sentence says it all. You don't care about position. NFL teams do. Agents do. Agents may advocate for the moon, as they should, but they are bound by the very thing you dismiss.

I don't think the talk of him going after WR money is coming from George. I think that's his agent talking s**t.

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by matt49er:
So your argument is you can pay him enough to reset the market but not $18....what's the difference $3-4M/year? So a Tevin Coleman type of deal would have to be sacrificed and that would ruin our cap would it?

The Niners aren't paying top dollar for any of their WRs or CBs which many teams are, we would simply be paying a TE top money instead of a WR. The caps going up, we have flexibility in ALL of our current long term deals. We can certainly afford to keep an elite player for what he's worth.

Last point, I do agree contracts are in part based on positional values. Those get blown up, a RB just got $16M/year, the TE market hasn't moved, someone is gonna have to blow it up at some point and the Niners got the right player to do it. He's not a guy who can be replaced

If you pay Kittle 18M annually, you didn't reset the market, you completely blew it up. That's nearly a 175% increase over the current market value. There is no way I am offering a TE that much, even if salaries for TEs haven't increased at the same rate as other positions. There is a reason for that. Personally, I don't think he should get 15M. Offer him 13M or so and be done with it. That's about 20% higher than the next contract, in terms of annual salary. That's a significant bump.

If you pay Kittle 175% current market value, what do you have to offer Trent if he balls out this year? His position is far more valuable (league wide) than Kittle's. The same is true vis-à-vis Bosa. Kittle's contract does not exist in a vacuum. It has a domino effect. So that 3-4M you mention adds up to a lot more than that overall.

Re RBs, annually, McCaffrey is making less than 10% more than Elliott who in turn is making less than 15% more than Bell and Johnson. But the 49ers should pay Kittle almost double what the next highest paid TE is making?

Further, I never said paying Kittle would ruin the 49ers' current cap situation, I said any team paying a TE 18M+ annually won't be able to remain competitive long. And they won't, unless A) you have a bunch of talented players taking team friendly deals and or B) you draft with a success rate far above the historical average. Having A and or B occur is highly unlikely, and it would be foolhardy of the 49ers brass to assume such.

Additionally, just because the 49ers are not paying other positions as much as other teams, does not mean they should pay a TE more than the market demands. If Kittle is only about the money (not saying he is), he isn't going to find a team willing to pay him anywhere near 18M annually. His value is, very likely, highest with the 49ers. Their scheme / coaching makes it so. That isn't to say he can't make more on another team, but he isn't going to make anywhere near 18M annually. And he shouldn't.

Finally, I accept Kittle would be difficult to replace, but no one is irreplaceable. And you have to figure out how to pay / field a competitive team.

Finally a smart voice.

AB ended the thread. The cap is going to shrink so you really have to hold firm at 11-12 mil a year. If that virus never hit and the cap was still going to explode I can easily see him making 16 a year.

Originally posted by Joecool:
Make him the highest paid TE with a front loaded contract. Put the other teams in a salary cap bind with their TEs. After the front load is done, Kittle will look cheap.

Front load with what cap space?