Mike Rutenberg pass game specialist

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:

I wonder how much Woods contributed as a passing game specialist. Is this just for game plans or also in-game?

Woods was given title of passing game coordinator. Which title has more clout, passing game Coordinator (Joe Woods) or passing game Specialist (Rutenberg)? Woods was mostly involved with teaching player technique, not scheme. So Woods was probably mainly watching film of the 49ers own DBs and refining technique. Tony Oden is now on board as DB coach, I assume Oden will be mainly teaching player technique.

I wonder if Rutenberg is going to be mainly watching opponent film of offenses to help scheme and gameplan.

With no position attached to his title this would be my guess.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I wonder how much Woods contributed as a passing game specialist. Is this just for game plans or also in-game?

Woods was given title of passing game coordinator. Which title has more clout, passing game Coordinator (Joe Woods) or passing game Specialist (Rutenberg)? Woods was mostly involved with teaching player technique, not scheme. So Woods was probably mainly watching film of the 49ers own DBs and refining technique. Tony Oden is now on board as DB coach, I assume Oden will be mainly teaching player technique.

I wonder if Rutenberg is going to be mainly watching opponent film of offenses to help scheme and gameplan.

Well I can see various zone blitzes and zone rotations, if I had my druthers. I mean you have high pressure coming in from either side (Bosa/Ford) why not take advantage of that and overload protections and zone drop various positions, to screw up the QB reads, specially if your DB's aren't up to snuff. Personally I think a zone blitz (left or right) would have a 50/50 chance of sacking the Two Midgets if they tried the RPO stuff -- the stuff that always gives this defense trouble and that they seem to always seem to do to us every season.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:

I wonder how much Woods contributed as a passing game specialist. Is this just for game plans or also in-game?

Woods was given title of passing game coordinator. Which title has more clout, passing game Coordinator (Joe Woods) or passing game Specialist (Rutenberg)? Woods was mostly involved with teaching player technique, not scheme. So Woods was probably mainly watching film of the 49ers own DBs and refining technique. Tony Oden is now on board as DB coach, I assume Oden will be mainly teaching player technique.

I wonder if Rutenberg is going to be mainly watching opponent film of offenses to help scheme and gameplan.

Originally posted by thl408:

https://ninerswire.usatoday.com/2020/06/12/49ers-hire-mike-rutenberg-jaguars-redskins-ucla/
Rutenberg has experience working with defensive backs, scouting and devising game plans dating back to his time in Washington, and throughout his time as a graduate assistant for the UCLA football team.

Thanks for that. I get very confused on some of these titles and more importantly, their roles. Like Kocurek was easy...know he comes from W9, I found a player who played under him, he gave me the skinny and sure enough, it's W9 24-7. I assumed the same with Woods and more 2 deep and interchangeable S's but also saw much better communication and less blown assignments. Same concept on Kyle's side on passing game coordinator...is this dude watching film of the opponent and coming up with concepts for game plans only? And how much is Saleh and Kyle intervening and signing off?

But the on-field role vs. in-film roles certainly make sense. That's a big difference.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:

I wonder how much Woods contributed as a passing game specialist. Is this just for game plans or also in-game?

Woods was given title of passing game coordinator. Which title has more clout, passing game Coordinator (Joe Woods) or passing game Specialist (Rutenberg)? Woods was mostly involved with teaching player technique, not scheme. So Woods was probably mainly watching film of the 49ers own DBs and refining technique. Tony Oden is now on board as DB coach, I assume Oden will be mainly teaching player technique.

I wonder if Rutenberg is going to be mainly watching opponent film of offenses to help scheme and gameplan.

Originally posted by thl408:

https://ninerswire.usatoday.com/2020/06/12/49ers-hire-mike-rutenberg-jaguars-redskins-ucla/
Rutenberg has experience working with defensive backs, scouting and devising game plans dating back to his time in Washington, and throughout his time as a graduate assistant for the UCLA football team.

Thanks for that. I get very confused on some of these titles and more importantly, their roles. Like Kocurek was easy...know he comes from W9, I found a player who played under him, he gave me the skinny and sure enough, it's W9 24-7. I assumed the same with Woods and more 2 deep and interchangeable S's but also saw much better communication and less blown assignments. Same concept on Kyle's side on passing game coordinator...is this dude watching film of the opponent and coming up with concepts for game plans only? And how much is Saleh and Kyle intervening and signing off?

But the on-field role vs. in-film roles certainly make sense. That's a big difference.

Alot of times these roles get confusing because some teams use those titles for what their actually meant for. Others use them like a term of endearment to add prestige to an assistants title, maybe throw an extra few bucks their way and make em feel good.

This guy being that he has no position attached to his title looks like he will be actually scouting opposition and giving suggestions on possible countermeasures to put towards the gameplan.

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:

I wonder how much Woods contributed as a passing game specialist. Is this just for game plans or also in-game?

Woods was given title of passing game coordinator. Which title has more clout, passing game Coordinator (Joe Woods) or passing game Specialist (Rutenberg)? Woods was mostly involved with teaching player technique, not scheme. So Woods was probably mainly watching film of the 49ers own DBs and refining technique. Tony Oden is now on board as DB coach, I assume Oden will be mainly teaching player technique.

I wonder if Rutenberg is going to be mainly watching opponent film of offenses to help scheme and gameplan.

Originally posted by thl408:

https://ninerswire.usatoday.com/2020/06/12/49ers-hire-mike-rutenberg-jaguars-redskins-ucla/
Rutenberg has experience working with defensive backs, scouting and devising game plans dating back to his time in Washington, and throughout his time as a graduate assistant for the UCLA football team.

Thanks for that. I get very confused on some of these titles and more importantly, their roles. Like Kocurek was easy...know he comes from W9, I found a player who played under him, he gave me the skinny and sure enough, it's W9 24-7. I assumed the same with Woods and more 2 deep and interchangeable S's but also saw much better communication and less blown assignments. Same concept on Kyle's side on passing game coordinator...is this dude watching film of the opponent and coming up with concepts for game plans only? And how much is Saleh and Kyle intervening and signing off?

But the on-field role vs. in-film roles certainly make sense. That's a big difference.

Alot of times these roles get confusing because some teams use those titles for what their actually meant for. Others use them like a term of endearment to add prestige to an assistants title, maybe throw an extra few bucks their way and make em feel good.

This guy being that he has no position attached to his title looks like he will be actually scouting opposition and giving suggestions on possible countermeasures to put towards the gameplan.

Agree all around.

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:
Alot of times these roles get confusing because some teams use those titles for what their actually meant for. Others use them like a term of endearment to add prestige to an assistants title, maybe throw an extra few bucks their way and make em feel good.

This guy being that he has no position attached to his title looks like he will be actually scouting opposition and giving suggestions on possible countermeasures to put towards the gameplan.

I thought the pro-scouting personnel department did that? Then again, like you said, it may be just semantics.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

Alot of times these roles get confusing because some teams use those titles for what their actually meant for. Others use them like a term of endearment to add prestige to an assistants title, maybe throw an extra few bucks their way and make em feel good.

This guy being that he has no position attached to his title looks like he will be actually scouting opposition and giving suggestions on possible countermeasures to put towards the gameplan.

I thought the pro-scouting personnel department did that? Then again, like you said, it may be just semantics.

Pro scouting departments work for the front office. They look for complimentary pieces for the team's roster. They help align free agent needs and fits in the off-season and during the season they look for potential free agents hanging out there or practice squad players on other teams that the team can add once injuries start to happen that fit the team's schemes.

Coordinating positions work with the coaching staff. A defensive passing game coordinator for example is supposed to scout an opponent's offensive passing scheme and tendencies then lend a hand to the playcaller what to look for and suggestive counterattacks when designing a gameplan.

It also works vice versa. An offensive passing game coordinator will scout an opponent's defensive coverage scheme and tendencies.

Is this this defensive equivalent of Katie Sowers job on offense?

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

If he can figure out how to stop a 3rd & 15 conversion.

Yeah..he's younger and can swiftly point out to the refs that the OL arm is wrapped around Bosa's neck.

Good one

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:
Pro scouting departments work for the front office. They look for complimentary pieces for the team's roster. They help align free agent needs and fits in the off-season and during the season they look for potential free agents hanging out there or practice squad players on other teams that the team can add once injuries start to happen that fit the team's schemes.

Coordinating positions work with the coaching staff. A defensive passing game coordinator for example is supposed to scout an opponent's offensive passing scheme and tendencies then lend a hand to the playcaller what to look for and suggestive counterattacks when designing a gameplan.

It also works vice versa. An offensive passing game coordinator will scout an opponent's defensive coverage scheme and tendencies.

Got it! Danke!