2012 and 2019

We've got a good shot to get back to the Bowl with this team. It's going to be us versus the Chiefs again - I guarantee it.

Originally posted by mayo49:
We've got a good shot to get back to the Bowl with this team. It's going to be us versus the Chiefs again - I guarantee it.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by mayo49:
We've got a good shot to get back to the Bowl with this team. It's going to be us versus the Chiefs again - I guarantee it.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
All we can hope is that this current team isnt completely dismantled in a 2 year stretch like the 2012 team was.

Good point. The 1981 team was a big surprise as well since we had been awful for the previous 6 years. The difference between that team and the 2012 and 2019 team is free agency and the salary cap. We didn't have eithe r of those in '81 so you could keep a team together and build a true monster. Now it's really hard to do. We already saw it with the trade of Buckner and the release of Sanders. That wouldn't have happened in '81. In the next few years we could see more of our current starters move on as we clear space for younger and cheaper players.

In 2011 there was no training camp for the 49ers. Coach Harbaugh took the same players that were unproductive the past few years and made them contenders. Harbaugh had a presence and even if Kap didn't make it under his reign I'm sure he would've found another QB. The defense was as tough as nails. With a few breaks his teams could've won 2 or even 3 Super Bowls. In the big games they never got that one break.

Originally posted by RishikeshA:
In 2011 there was no training camp for the 49ers. Coach Harbaugh took the same players that were unproductive the past few years and made them contenders. Harbaugh had a presence and even if Kap didn't make it under his reign I'm sure he would've found another QB. The defense was as tough as nails. With a few breaks his teams could've won 2 or even 3 Super Bowls. In the big games they never got that one break.

You could say with a few breaks the Bills would have won 4 straight SBs. Unfortunately breaks and timing are the difference between winning and losing for a lot of teams. With the salary cap evening things out it is rare to see a really dominant team like we had in the 80's. NE wasn't blowing teams away in their SB games like we did in some of ours.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
You could say with a few breaks the Bills would have won 4 straight SBs. Unfortunately breaks and timing are the difference between winning and losing for a lot of teams. With the salary cap evening things out it is rare to see a really dominant team like we had in the 80's. NE wasn't blowing teams away in their SB games like we did in some of ours.

Yes, dominant teams for an entire decade are long gone. However, Belichick found a way to stay on top by having a great QB and managing the salary cap. Coach Walsh and Belichick had the same philosophy, getting rid of a player a year sooner rather than a year later.

Originally posted by RishikeshA:
Yes, dominant teams for an entire decade are long gone. However, Belichick found a way to stay on top by having a great QB and managing the salary cap. Coach Walsh and Belichick had the same philosophy, getting rid of a player a year sooner rather than a year later.

Belichick had other advantages. The weakest division in the NFL with no stability from the other 3 teams at QB, HC and even ownership. It was tailor made for a great coach with a good QB and an owner that didn't meddle.

Originally posted by RishikeshA:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
You could say with a few breaks the Bills would have won 4 straight SBs. Unfortunately breaks and timing are the difference between winning and losing for a lot of teams. With the salary cap evening things out it is rare to see a really dominant team like we had in the 80's. NE wasn't blowing teams away in their SB games like we did in some of ours.

Yes, dominant teams for an entire decade are long gone. However, Belichick found a way to stay on top by having a great QB and managing the salary cap. Coach Walsh and Belichick had the same philosophy, getting rid of a player a year sooner rather than a year later.

no no no, Belicheat tried to use BW's philosophy

Eerily similar those teams but not we have an organization that's prepared for the long haul. 2011-13 was a super team in their prime with only a handful of young players who were committed to being great where as now we have a great young team with maybe 1 older vet hall of famer.
With the relationship between ownership all the way down to the janitors now it's a differently run organization from 2012. We all know that and see it. We remember the s**t show that our back of the house was. Now we are run like the old niners or previous Pat's. If we cant work out a contract early and save we'll be trading away very talented players to keep the best team possible under the salary cap.
Love both those squads. Superbowl seemed definitely one sided in officiating in both games but we had our chances.

Justin Smith and Aldon Smith - wow they were fun to watch!

I also went through 2011 season and I will take that D any day. It was downright crazy in terms of turnover they generated. Steelers game they picked Ben Roethlisberger 5 times, you can see that his confidence is shot in the second half. That Saints game was nuts. 4 turnovers in first half. One more as soon as second half started. Future Hof QBs throwing so many picks.

But man, offense was so frustrating. Just couldn't get into endzone. It used to get to redzone and then kick a field goal. I think Ackers ended up with crazy number of field goals.

And that end of Lions game was downright stupid to what Harbaugh did to Jim Schwartz.

2012 was way more disappointing. The 2019 Chiefs were worthy adversaries. 2012 Ravens were not. There was literally no excuse for that team to lose to the Ravens; absolutely none whatsoever.

Although I give Shanny s**t for being a choker, Harbaugh didn't have that team prepared. SMH.

I am much more attached to the Shanahan balanced-offense, which descends more from the Bill Walsh offense, instead than the Harbaugh offense which is more traditional 1970s 3 yards and a cloud of dust.

Originally posted by hummbabybear:
I am much more attached to the Shanahan balanced-offense, which descends more from the Bill Walsh offense, instead than the Harbaugh offense which is more traditional 1970s 3 yards and a cloud of dust.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Belichick had other advantages. The weakest division in the NFL with no stability from the other 3 teams at QB, HC and even ownership. It was tailor made for a great coach with a good QB and an owner that didn't meddle.

I think Kyle is the key to a Patriot-like dynasty run. If Kyle can continue to spot diamonds in the rough like Brieda, Bourne, and low round gems like Kittle and GreenLaw, - you can defeat the cap and draft by doing a buckner 2.0 deal with all your high cap guys and draft another Kinlaw 2.0 or Bosa 2.0 and rinse and repeat to keep that talent edge. Harbaugh's offense was only half of what Kyle's offense is - and that was from the HaRoman run offense with all the RPO deceptions and complex man-blocking. Kyles run offense is just as complex and deceptive as HaRoman's (maybe even more because of Kyle's zone blocking) - then you add on top of that -- his complex passing game and you have a super bowl offensive scheme second to none. As long as Bosa and Jimmy are healthy, PasoDoc **Guarantees** that the 49ers will always be in the playoffs.