Who's a better RB in SF??

Originally posted by 49ers90sBaby:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Lol no you don't get it...he was not running just fine inside. He wasn't running fine in general...

TC's "yards created above/below expected per attempt" which is a collection of data (see below)...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fantasypros.com/2020/01/best-and-worst-rbs-at-creating-yards-in-2019-fantasy-football/amp/

Was 24th overall a ZERO...Mostert was 2nd in the league behind only Derrick Henry.

Again every single stat you can come up with shows Coleman was avg to below avg as a RB.

Lol rightt, thats all you look at is stats. Look at the first 10 weeks when he was the RB on the team by far.

Wait you really just called Coleman an avg back

I've never thought of it like that but yes, that's exactly what Coleman is.. average.

Originally posted by 49ers90sBaby:
Lol rightt, thats all you look at is stats. Look at the first 10 weeks when he was the RB on the team by far.

Wait you really just called Coleman an avg back

LOL yeah I've brought up clips of poor vision, I've brought up stat after stat of avg running back play...what have you brought up besides a highlight video and your opinion?

Let's look at that first 10 weeks shall we? He avg 45.4 yards per game at 3.78 YPC WTF is that? That's on a top 2 running offense bro. STOP just stop.

Originally posted by GangstaGangsta:

I've never thought of it like that but yes, that's exactly what Coleman is.. average.

Righttt lol 2,944 yards and 29 tds in 3 years is "average". Its fine if yall dont like him but thats just nonsense lol

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
So Coleman was better than Leveon Bell, Joe Mixon, Zeke, Kamara, Melvin Gordon and some other really good RBs. That's how agents talk

That's after they take in all of these other stats....

Adjusted Line Yards
Second Level Yards
8+ Defenders in the Box
Yards After Contact Per Carry (YCO)
Yards Before Contact adjusted for Team Offensive Line Blocking (Adj. YBC)
Yards After Catch Per Reception (YAC)
Total Touches – smaller sample sizes are less reliable
Yards Per Carry (YPC)

I wouldn't be shocked if Bell/Mixon/Gordon outplayed TC IF they were in SF's system. Kamara was hurt all yr, we've seen what he can do healthy. We've seen what TC can do healthy and it's avg play.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

LOL yeah I've brought up clips of poor vision, I've brought up stat after stat of avg running back play...what have you brought up besides a highlight video and your opinion?

Let's look at that first 10 weeks shall we? He avg 45.4 yards per game at 3.78 YPC WTF is that? That's on a top 2 running offense bro. STOP just stop.

Again !!! Looked only at stats look at what he actually does on the field. Clutch first downs, him out of the backfield, pass blocking etc. Come on man, you know this stuff yet you choose to ignore it too fit your own story smh

Originally posted by NYniner85:

That's after they take in all of these other stats....

Adjusted Line Yards
Second Level Yards
8+ Defenders in the Box
Yards After Contact Per Carry (YCO)
Yards Before Contact adjusted for Team Offensive Line Blocking (Adj. YBC)
Yards After Catch Per Reception (YAC)
Total Touches – smaller sample sizes are less reliable
Yards Per Carry (YPC)

I wouldn't be shocked if Bell/Mixon/Gordon outplayed TC IF they were in SF's system. Kamara was hurt all yr, we've seen what he can do healthy. We've seen what TC can do healthy and it's avg play.

Did you not remember in 2016 or are you just playing dumb ??

Originally posted by 49ers90sBaby:

Originally posted by GangstaGangsta:
I've never thought of it like that but yes, that's exactly what Coleman is.. average.

Righttt lol 2,944 yards and 29 tds in 3 years is "average". Its fine if yall dont like him but thats just nonsense lol

TIME OUT...thoughts stats didn't matter??

cool he can score some TDs near the goal line when on two top end offenses

FYI LeGarrette Blount score 25 rushing TDs and had 2,345 rushing yards his last 3 yrs...you calling him anything more than avg?

Coleman had 1,972 rushing yards and 15 TDs the past 3 yrs. Never said he was a poor pass catcher, I actually wished Kyle would have used him more in that role.

FWIW I hope he proves me wrong, I wanted whomever is in SF to be successful. I also got no problem saying when a dude is replaceable.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

TIME OUT...thoughts stats didn't matter??

cool he can score some TDs near the goal line when on two top end offenses

FYI LeGarrette Blount score 25 rushing TDs and had 2,345 rushing yards his last 3 yrs...you calling him anything more than avg?

Coleman had 1,972 rushing yards and 15 TDs the past 3 yrs. Never said he was a poor pass catcher, I actually wished Kyle would have used him more in that role.

FWIW I hope he proves me wrong, I wanted whomever is in SF to be successful. I also got no problem saying when a dude is replaceable.

You obviously didnt see him on the Falcons lol included pass catching , it was his first year and he was banged up. Gotta guve him another year

Originally posted by 49ers90sBaby:
Again !!! Looked only at stats look at what he actually does on the field. Clutch first downs, him out of the backfield, pass blocking etc. Come on man, you know this stuff yet you choose to ignore it too fit your own story smh

Clutch first downs? Oh you mean like every RB on this team had last yr? Show me all these "clutch" 1st downs. How much better was he then the other RBs at this?

What did he do out of the backfield? He had 21 catches for 180 yards? I actually wish he would have been used as a pass catcher more...it would have actually created some value for paying him IMO. He's a good pass protector, I'll give you that...in no way should that make you the highest paid RB on a team.

Again I've provided stats and film, you're just talking out your butt because you have some bias thing for Coleman.

Originally posted by 49ers90sBaby:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
That's after they take in all of these other stats....

Adjusted Line Yards
Second Level Yards
8+ Defenders in the Box
Yards After Contact Per Carry (YCO)
Yards Before Contact adjusted for Team Offensive Line Blocking (Adj. YBC)
Yards After Catch Per Reception (YAC)
Total Touches – smaller sample sizes are less reliable
Yards Per Carry (YPC)

I wouldn't be shocked if Bell/Mixon/Gordon outplayed TC IF they were in SF's system. Kamara was hurt all yr, we've seen what he can do healthy. We've seen what TC can do healthy and it's avg play.

Did you not remember in 2016 or are you just playing dumb ??

Who gives a f**k about 2016??? I sure as s**t don't...do we have Julio? do we have Matt Ryan? All I care about in MY team. I'm not TEAM Coleman like you seem to be....

FWIW I also remember Freeman having 1,080 yards at 4.8YPC, with 54 catches for 462 yards and 13 total TDS.

Originally posted by 49ers90sBaby:

Originally posted by GangstaGangsta:
I've never thought of it like that but yes, that's exactly what Coleman is.. average.

Righttt lol 2,944 yards and 29 tds in 3 years is "average". Its fine if yall dont like him but thats just nonsense lol

2019 rankings - 34th in YPA 35th in rushing yards
2018 rankings - 14th in YPA 20th in rushing yards
2017 rankings - 26th in YPA 30th in rushing yards

Ok so now looking at the stats I was wrong he is actually a little bit below average.

Originally posted by 49ers90sBaby:
You obviously didnt see him on the Falcons lol included pass catching , it was his first year and he was banged up. Gotta guve him another year

No I remember all of it...I've stated over and over he's a COP back. That's what he was in ATL. Him an Mostert are the same type of RBs. When Coleman took over as the lead back in ATL he lead the league in % of negative plays. He avg like 1.4 YAC.

He isn't a lead back, I was pumped to get him as a nice compliment back. Kyle didn't use him in the passing game. Mostert out played him and thus made Coleman and is team-option deal replaceable.

Is what it is, the facts are ALL there. Hopefully he plays well this yr and makes him worth the cash.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Clutch first downs? Oh you mean like every RB on this team had last yr? Show me all these "clutch" 1st downs. How much better was he then the other RBs at this?

What did he do out of the backfield? He had 21 catches for 180 yards? I actually wish he would have been used as a pass catcher more...it would have actually created some value for paying him IMO. He's a good pass protector, I'll give you that...in no way should that make you the highest paid RB on a team.

Again I've provided stats and film, you're just talking out your butt because you have some bias thing for Coleman.

Arizona, Redskins, Rams, he pretty much iced those games.

Pretty much was the one that made the Seattle game go to OT on that last drive.

He's picked up clutch first downs all season

Originally posted by 49ers90sBaby:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Clutch first downs? Oh you mean like every RB on this team had last yr? Show me all these "clutch" 1st downs. How much better was he then the other RBs at this?

What did he do out of the backfield? He had 21 catches for 180 yards? I actually wish he would have been used as a pass catcher more...it would have actually created some value for paying him IMO. He's a good pass protector, I'll give you that...in no way should that make you the highest paid RB on a team.

Again I've provided stats and film, you're just talking out your butt because you have some bias thing for Coleman.

Arizona, Redskins, Rams, he pretty much iced those games.

Pretty much was the one that made the Seattle game go to OT on that last drive.

He's picked up clutch first downs all season

So did every other RB on this team.

Originally posted by GangstaGangsta:

2019 rankings - 34th in YPA 35th in rushing yards
2018 rankings - 14th in YPA 20th in rushing yards
2017 rankings - 26th in YPA 30th in rushing yards

Ok so now looking at the stats I was wrong he is actually a little bit below average.

Can't use stats if it proves he's avg

I want him to be a badass, he's a Niner. I'm also gonna try to be objective.