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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by Sickaa:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by grapesofrathman:
Originally posted by thl408:

This was the play where a ton of people were insisting that Bourne was open on that one freeze frame, except that there were only 9 defenders in the frame and you couldn't see if it was MOFC or MOFO
Exactly why we do this with the all22 .
I don't think Bourne was open, definitely not wide open. When Jimmy took the snap and looked to his left, that safety did not move one inch towards that side of the field (away from Bourne). That safety did well to stay in position imo.

I guess you can call me a hater then. Because to me, THIS is wide open.



I feel like the bar around here has been set so incredibly low. This is the throw that an NFL QB should make. An NFL QB should be able to throw a ball 20 yards in the air before any defensive back can close 10 yards running. And if a QB can't do this, then he is absolutely a problem.

Definitely a throw Jimmy should make If he wasn't too hesitant too release the Ball. We've seen It before too, when he missed Bourne for a TD against the cards In week 1.
Safety is begging him to throw that one with only being 10 yards away

The Seahawks secondary Is awful though. No way the safety covers up that much ground Assuming Jimmy releases the ball at the right time.
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#9: 2nd & 7
Two man Stick to the right. This is good to horizontally stretch a curl/flat defender. SEA will come with an odd playcall and at first I thought it was a blown coverage, but they do it a couple other times in the game. SEA will blitz the two blue defenders along with rushing their 4 DL. Then they will play zone behind it. Usually when teams rush 6, they play man coverage behind it.


Six rushers with 3 deep. That leaves just two underneath zone defenders. Jimmy takes the snap and looks to the two man Stick. Dwelley on a hot route just curls and sits over the middle.


This is like a Fire Zone blitz (3 deep, 3 under), but there is an entire zone not being covered by any defender with Dwelley chillin by himself. Jimmy has to see where the blitz is coming from, and if there is a route designed to go to that area, then look there.


Incomplete. Bad read, bad throw. This is an example of Jimmy making up his mind presnap and not willing to see what happens postsnap. Maybe Bourne makes this catch if he doesn't slip, but the correct mental processing play is to see SEA blitzing two defenders from the same side of the field and understanding that Dwelley will be exploiting the vacated area.
Originally posted by thl408:
#9: 2nd & 7
Two man Stick to the right. This is good to horizontally stretch a curl/flat defender. SEA will come with an odd playcall and at first I thought it was a blown coverage, but they do it a couple other times in the game. SEA will blitz the two blue defenders along with rushing their 4 DL. Then they will play zone behind it. Usually when teams rush 6, they play man coverage behind it.


Six rushers with 3 deep. That leaves just two underneath zone defenders. Jimmy takes the snap and looks to the two man Stick. Dwelley on a hot route just curls and sits over the middle.


This is like a Fire Zone blitz (3 deep, 3 under), but there is an entire zone not being covered by any defender with Dwelley chillin by himself. Jimmy has to see where the blitz is coming from, and if there is a route designed to go to that area, then look there.


Incomplete. Bad read, bad throw. This is an example of Jimmy making up his mind presnap and not willing to see what happens postsnap. Maybe Bourne makes this catch if he doesn't slip, but the correct mental processing play is to see SEA blitzing two defenders from the same side of the field and understanding that Dwelley will be exploiting the vacated area.

Thl, this is the exact play that pisses me the f___ off, because it's a play Mullens makes because Nick processes things differently -- and you see him recognize "okay, if this, then THAT" ... But Jimmy? It's "I MADE MY GUESS! OMG PLEASE WORK! ... OH F#@$%@!"

[ Edited by OnTheClock on Nov 3, 2020 at 11:01 AM ]
Originally posted by Buchy:
I disagree, I think he should have led Bourne to the corner of the end-zone.

Bourne is running a seam route not a corner route.
Originally posted by Sickaa:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by Sickaa:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by grapesofrathman:
Originally posted by thl408:

This was the play where a ton of people were insisting that Bourne was open on that one freeze frame, except that there were only 9 defenders in the frame and you couldn't see if it was MOFC or MOFO
Exactly why we do this with the all22 .
I don't think Bourne was open, definitely not wide open. When Jimmy took the snap and looked to his left, that safety did not move one inch towards that side of the field (away from Bourne). That safety did well to stay in position imo.

I guess you can call me a hater then. Because to me, THIS is wide open.



I feel like the bar around here has been set so incredibly low. This is the throw that an NFL QB should make. An NFL QB should be able to throw a ball 20 yards in the air before any defensive back can close 10 yards running. And if a QB can't do this, then he is absolutely a problem.

Definitely a throw Jimmy should make If he wasn't too hesitant too release the Ball. We've seen It before too, when he missed Bourne for a TD against the cards In week 1.
Safety is begging him to throw that one with only being 10 yards away

The Seahawks secondary Is awful though. No way the safety covers up that much ground Assuming Jimmy releases the ball at the right time.
true, but the Safety is not just standing there he's drifting towards KB and watching JG

JG could have moved the saftey by looking left..but JG was already set on going to GK
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
true, but the Safety is not just standing there he's drifting towards KB and watching JG

JG could have moved the saftey by looking left..but JG was already set on going to GK

well he did start out looking left but the safety stayed disciplined a sf**k
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by Sickaa:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by grapesofrathman:
Originally posted by thl408:

This was the play where a ton of people were insisting that Bourne was open on that one freeze frame, except that there were only 9 defenders in the frame and you couldn't see if it was MOFC or MOFO
Exactly why we do this with the all22 .
I don't think Bourne was open, definitely not wide open. When Jimmy took the snap and looked to his left, that safety did not move one inch towards that side of the field (away from Bourne). That safety did well to stay in position imo.

I guess you can call me a hater then. Because to me, THIS is wide open.



I feel like the bar around here has been set so incredibly low. This is the throw that an NFL QB should make. An NFL QB should be able to throw a ball 20 yards in the air before any defensive back can close 10 yards running. And if a QB can't do this, then he is absolutely a problem.

Definitely a throw Jimmy should make If he wasn't too hesitant too release the Ball. We've seen It before too, when he missed Bourne for a TD against the cards In week 1.
Safety is begging him to throw that one with only being 10 yards away

If a QB can't throw a ball 20 yards before a flat footed defender can run 10 yards, then thats an indictment on the QBs ability.
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by Sickaa:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by grapesofrathman:
Originally posted by thl408:

This was the play where a ton of people were insisting that Bourne was open on that one freeze frame, except that there were only 9 defenders in the frame and you couldn't see if it was MOFC or MOFO
Exactly why we do this with the all22 .
I don't think Bourne was open, definitely not wide open. When Jimmy took the snap and looked to his left, that safety did not move one inch towards that side of the field (away from Bourne). That safety did well to stay in position imo.

I guess you can call me a hater then. Because to me, THIS is wide open.



I feel like the bar around here has been set so incredibly low. This is the throw that an NFL QB should make. An NFL QB should be able to throw a ball 20 yards in the air before any defensive back can close 10 yards running. And if a QB can't do this, then he is absolutely a problem.

Definitely a throw Jimmy should make If he wasn't too hesitant too release the Ball. We've seen It before too, when he missed Bourne for a TD against the cards In week 1.
Safety is begging him to throw that one with only being 10 yards away

If a QB can't throw a ball 20 yards before a flat footed defender can run 10 yards, then thats an indictment on the QBs ability.
except the safety is not flat footed, but the QB is
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#10: 3rd & 7
Sail concept to the right (Cover3 buster).
Double Slants to the left (man coverage and Cover2 buster)
SEA shows two deep safeties (MOFO) and will rush 5.


Jimmy takes the snap and correctly looks to the Double Slants. He looks at Bourne first, then Aiyuk (correct, Double Slants is an inside-out read). With no middle deep safety, Bourne should run hard at the red safety's inside hip and force red to cover him. Bourne doesn't run his route with much speed and it allows red to hang over the top of both Bourne and Aiyuk. The better Bourne can occupy red, the more open Aiyuk's slant will be.


Red reading Jimmy's eyes, sees that he is winding up to target Aiyuk.


+6. One yard short of the first down. I slowed down the gif to show that the red safety didn't leave Bourne until he knew Jimmy was targeting Aiyuk, but now it's difficult to see that Bourne ran his route slow. Bourne has to show as a threat to attack the middle of the field between the two safeties. Correct read to look at the Double Slants. Perhaps an early throw to Bourne allows him to catch and run for the first down.
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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
except the safety is not flat footed, but the QB is

Here's that play at regular speed.
Originally posted by thl408:
#10: 3rd & 7
Sail concept to the right (Cover3 buster).
Double Slants to the left (man coverage and Cover2 buster)
SEA shows two deep safeties (MOFO) and will rush 5.

+6. One yard short of the first down. I slowed down the gif to show that the red safety didn't leave Bourne until he knew Jimmy was targeting Aiyuk, but now it's difficult to see that Bourne ran his route slow. Bourne has to show as a threat to attack the middle of the field between the two safeties. Correct read to look at the Double Slants. Perhaps an early throw to Bourne allows him to catch and run for the first down.
pass should have hit bourne right after the snap
Originally posted by Ark49er:
The last all22 film for Jimmy Garoppolo in a 49ers uniform???


Unit pass protection to Jimmy.

Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
except the safety is not flat footed, but the QB is

Here's that play at regular speed.

There's no way anyone can convince me that a QB shouldn't be able to throw a ball, that travels 20 yards, faster than a DB can close 10 yards when not already sprinting.
[ Edited by SteveWallacesHelmet on Nov 3, 2020 at 1:45 PM ]
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
except the safety is not flat footed, but the QB is

Here's that play at regular speed.

There's no way anyone can convince me that a QB shouldn't be able to throw a ball, that travels 20 yards, faster than a DB can close 10 yards when not already sprinting.
how about a safety farther away with a shorter pass distance?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
except the safety is not flat footed, but the QB is

Here's that play at regular speed.

There's no way anyone can convince me that a QB shouldn't be able to throw a ball, that travels 20 yards, faster than a DB can close 10 yards when not already sprinting.
how about a safety farther away with a shorter pass distance?


you can't be serious.

The defender is already in an outright sprint here. And its substantially shorter of a run than in the play in question.



You are being intentionally disingenuous. You know it.
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