Coaches Film Analysis: 2020 Season

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Well, here's my initial scouting report:
Fields: live arm, elite athlete, can make something out of nothing, fearless thrower, heavy arm thrower which means he generates lots of power from just his arm, when he knows where he wants to go with the ball, he's very accurate.

Negatives: his footwork is really bad, it will take quite some time before he's able to operate in a timing based WCO like Shanahan wants, as far as footwork is concerned, accuracy under pressure can be very spotty/bad, doesn't have great pocket feel - will often not react to pressure until it's right there(reminds me of Kaepernick in this regard), needs work on throwing into zones with anticipation.

He's very talented but pretty raw. I think the deshaun Watson comparisons are unfair to him. He's fields, not Watson. Watson had 2 very successful years as a starter under his belt. He'll need 1, maybe 2 years to really develop IMO.

Mac Jones: elite accuracy, can make all the throws, very good understanding of the offense/progressions to get deep in the progressions, throws with excellent anticipation, tough under pressure(go look at his 1st passing td vs MIZZOU), put up insane passing numbers this past year, great footwork from shotgun, great pocket awareness/management.

Negatives: not an elite athlete, has no tools to avoid pressure other than his arm, there are character concerns.

The negatives about Jones are all about him not being a deshaun watson type.

Lance: talented but raw. Huge arm, lots of experience operating under center, explosive runner, above average accuracy.

Negatives: doesn't handle pressure well, passing was very spotty/poor in his 1 game this year(50% comp 5 YPA, 150 yds 2 TD 1 INT), will take development in a sophisticated drop back passing game.

To me, Fields has the highest potential - could be a deshaun watson type, or could be a Dwayne Haskins. There's a lot of question marks and would benefit from sitting and learning and working one the game from the ground up but will need to unlearn and relearn things.

If he's the pick, at minimum, Jimmy should be here 2 years, barring injury IMO. I could be wrong but he's raw.

Jones, I see him as faster plug and play. His biggest issue is adjusting to under center more and turning his back to the defense. If we're looking at keeping a consistent qn room to insulate against injury, Jones makes more sense. You will have the exact same playbook with Jimmy/Jones/Sudfeld/Rosen. With Fields, you'll have a slightly different playbook.

Thanks... all things considered, is it fair to say you are the highest on Mac? If you had to make this pick, would it be Mac?

Originally posted by Goatie:
None of them are perfect and will need time to coach them up to NFL standard and for them to learn the system. It would be crazy to think that they would start this season and replace JG. It would still be against the odds to think they would be the starter in 2022. If JG stays fit and healthy for the next two years and keeps winning the draftee will still be sitting around.

The idea of a rookie starting in his first year is a good way to break a rookie.

My ideal scenario is drafting Lance or Fields, having them sit for a year while Jimmy is the bridge

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by sacniner:
Where the heck is jonnydel? Can we get a breakdown of the three QB options?

haven't heard from Jonny since the news went down.

Oh sorry, got really busy. My kids got pretty sick with seasonal allergies - if you've ever been in the south during pollen season, you know.

Then I was selling my old truck and got a newer one and have been really busy ever since. I'm sure people are assuming I've been crying in some hole but my life really does revolve around more than the WZ and 49ers qb's.

Sorry to hear about the kids. Congrats on the truck

no, we didn't think you were still crying in a hole. After a day or ten, I'm sure you were good

can you give us breakdowns of the three options? Exciting times... who do you think is the best out of the three to be our real franchise QB?

Well, here's my initial scouting report:
Fields: live arm, elite athlete, can make something out of nothing, fearless thrower, heavy arm thrower which means he generates lots of power from just his arm, when he knows where he wants to go with the ball, he's very accurate.

Negatives: his footwork is really bad, it will take quite some time before he's able to operate in a timing based WCO like Shanahan wants, as far as footwork is concerned, accuracy under pressure can be very spotty/bad, doesn't have great pocket feel - will often not react to pressure until it's right there(reminds me of Kaepernick in this regard), needs work on throwing into zones with anticipation.

He's very talented but pretty raw. I think the deshaun Watson comparisons are unfair to him. He's fields, not Watson. Watson had 2 very successful years as a starter under his belt. He'll need 1, maybe 2 years to really develop IMO.

Mac Jones: elite accuracy, can make all the throws, very good understanding of the offense/progressions to get deep in the progressions, throws with excellent anticipation, tough under pressure(go look at his 1st passing td vs MIZZOU), put up insane passing numbers this past year, great footwork from shotgun, great pocket awareness/management.

Negatives: not an elite athlete, has no tools to avoid pressure other than his arm, there are character concerns.

The negatives about Jones are all about him not being a deshaun watson type.

Lance: talented but raw. Huge arm, lots of experience operating under center, explosive runner, above average accuracy.

Negatives: doesn't handle pressure well, passing was very spotty/poor in his 1 game this year(50% comp 5 YPA, 150 yds 2 TD 1 INT), will take development in a sophisticated drop back passing game.

To me, Fields has the highest potential - could be a deshaun watson type, or could be a Dwayne Haskins. There's a lot of question marks and would benefit from sitting and learning and working one the game from the ground up but will need to unlearn and relearn things.

If he's the pick, at minimum, Jimmy should be here 2 years, barring injury IMO. I could be wrong but he's raw.

Jones, I see him as faster plug and play. His biggest issue is adjusting to under center more and turning his back to the defense. If we're looking at keeping a consistent qn room to insulate against injury, Jones makes more sense. You will have the exact same playbook with Jimmy/Jones/Sudfeld/Rosen. With Fields, you'll have a slightly different playbook.

None of them are perfect and will need time to coach them up to NFL standard and for them to learn the system. It would be crazy to think that they would start this season and replace JG. It would still be against the odds to think they would be the starter in 2022. If JG stays fit and healthy for the next two years and keeps winning the draftee will still be sitting around.

The idea of a rookie starting in his first year is a good way to break a rookie.

I agree. If the pick is Mac, then Jimmy just needs to stay healthy and play roughly as well as he did in 2019 and he'll still be the starter indefinitely. It's pure and completely unsupported speculation that Mac will ever be as good as Jimmy in this offense, so I'd rather stick with Jimmy as long as he's healthy.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by sacniner:
Where the heck is jonnydel? Can we get a breakdown of the three QB options?

haven't heard from Jonny since the news went down.

Oh sorry, got really busy. My kids got pretty sick with seasonal allergies - if you've ever been in the south during pollen season, you know.

Then I was selling my old truck and got a newer one and have been really busy ever since. I'm sure people are assuming I've been crying in some hole but my life really does revolve around more than the WZ and 49ers qb's.

Sorry to hear about the kids. Congrats on the truck

no, we didn't think you were still crying in a hole. After a day or ten, I'm sure you were good

can you give us breakdowns of the three options? Exciting times... who do you think is the best out of the three to be our real franchise QB?

Well, here's my initial scouting report:
Fields: live arm, elite athlete, can make something out of nothing, fearless thrower, heavy arm thrower which means he generates lots of power from just his arm, when he knows where he wants to go with the ball, he's very accurate.

Negatives: his footwork is really bad, it will take quite some time before he's able to operate in a timing based WCO like Shanahan wants, as far as footwork is concerned, accuracy under pressure can be very spotty/bad, doesn't have great pocket feel - will often not react to pressure until it's right there(reminds me of Kaepernick in this regard), needs work on throwing into zones with anticipation.

He's very talented but pretty raw. I think the deshaun Watson comparisons are unfair to him. He's fields, not Watson. Watson had 2 very successful years as a starter under his belt. He'll need 1, maybe 2 years to really develop IMO.

Mac Jones: elite accuracy, can make all the throws, very good understanding of the offense/progressions to get deep in the progressions, throws with excellent anticipation, tough under pressure(go look at his 1st passing td vs MIZZOU), put up insane passing numbers this past year, great footwork from shotgun, great pocket awareness/management.

Negatives: not an elite athlete, has no tools to avoid pressure other than his arm, there are character concerns.

The negatives about Jones are all about him not being a deshaun watson type.

Lance: talented but raw. Huge arm, lots of experience operating under center, explosive runner, above average accuracy.

Negatives: doesn't handle pressure well, passing was very spotty/poor in his 1 game this year(50% comp 5 YPA, 150 yds 2 TD 1 INT), will take development in a sophisticated drop back passing game.

To me, Fields has the highest potential - could be a deshaun watson type, or could be a Dwayne Haskins. There's a lot of question marks and would benefit from sitting and learning and working one the game from the ground up but will need to unlearn and relearn things.

If he's the pick, at minimum, Jimmy should be here 2 years, barring injury IMO. I could be wrong but he's raw.

Jones, I see him as faster plug and play. His biggest issue is adjusting to under center more and turning his back to the defense. If we're looking at keeping a consistent qn room to insulate against injury, Jones makes more sense. You will have the exact same playbook with Jimmy/Jones/Sudfeld/Rosen. With Fields, you'll have a slightly different playbook.

Nice evaluation! Thanks a bunch!

JD

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by sacniner:
Where the heck is jonnydel? Can we get a breakdown of the three QB options?

haven't heard from Jonny since the news went down.

Oh sorry, got really busy. My kids got pretty sick with seasonal allergies - if you've ever been in the south during pollen season, you know.

Then I was selling my old truck and got a newer one and have been really busy ever since. I'm sure people are assuming I've been crying in some hole but my life really does revolve around more than the WZ and 49ers qb's.

Sorry to hear about the kids. Congrats on the truck

no, we didn't think you were still crying in a hole. After a day or ten, I'm sure you were good

can you give us breakdowns of the three options? Exciting times... who do you think is the best out of the three to be our real franchise QB?

Well, here's my initial scouting report:
Fields: live arm, elite athlete, can make something out of nothing, fearless thrower, heavy arm thrower which means he generates lots of power from just his arm, when he knows where he wants to go with the ball, he's very accurate.

Negatives: his footwork is really bad, it will take quite some time before he's able to operate in a timing based WCO like Shanahan wants, as far as footwork is concerned, accuracy under pressure can be very spotty/bad, doesn't have great pocket feel - will often not react to pressure until it's right there(reminds me of Kaepernick in this regard), needs work on throwing into zones with anticipation.

He's very talented but pretty raw. I think the deshaun Watson comparisons are unfair to him. He's fields, not Watson. Watson had 2 very successful years as a starter under his belt. He'll need 1, maybe 2 years to really develop IMO.

Mac Jones: elite accuracy, can make all the throws, very good understanding of the offense/progressions to get deep in the progressions, throws with excellent anticipation, tough under pressure(go look at his 1st passing td vs MIZZOU), put up insane passing numbers this past year, great footwork from shotgun, great pocket awareness/management.

Negatives: not an elite athlete, has no tools to avoid pressure other than his arm, there are character concerns.

The negatives about Jones are all about him not being a deshaun watson type.

Lance: talented but raw. Huge arm, lots of experience operating under center, explosive runner, above average accuracy.

Negatives: doesn't handle pressure well, passing was very spotty/poor in his 1 game this year(50% comp 5 YPA, 150 yds 2 TD 1 INT), will take development in a sophisticated drop back passing game.

To me, Fields has the highest potential - could be a deshaun watson type, or could be a Dwayne Haskins. There's a lot of question marks and would benefit from sitting and learning and working one the game from the ground up but will need to unlearn and relearn things.

If he's the pick, at minimum, Jimmy should be here 2 years, barring injury IMO. I could be wrong but he's raw.

Jones, I see him as faster plug and play. His biggest issue is adjusting to under center more and turning his back to the defense. If we're looking at keeping a consistent qn room to insulate against injury, Jones makes more sense. You will have the exact same playbook with Jimmy/Jones/Sudfeld/Rosen. With Fields, you'll have a slightly different playbook.

Now we need to pull back maddog49er back from Seahawks.org to get his assessment as well.

Originally posted by CO9er4life:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by sacniner:
Where the heck is jonnydel? Can we get a breakdown of the three QB options?

haven't heard from Jonny since the news went down.

Oh sorry, got really busy. My kids got pretty sick with seasonal allergies - if you've ever been in the south during pollen season, you know.

Then I was selling my old truck and got a newer one and have been really busy ever since. I'm sure people are assuming I've been crying in some hole but my life really does revolve around more than the WZ and 49ers qb's.

Sorry to hear about the kids. Congrats on the truck

no, we didn't think you were still crying in a hole. After a day or ten, I'm sure you were good

can you give us breakdowns of the three options? Exciting times... who do you think is the best out of the three to be our real franchise QB?

Well, here's my initial scouting report:
Fields: live arm, elite athlete, can make something out of nothing, fearless thrower, heavy arm thrower which means he generates lots of power from just his arm, when he knows where he wants to go with the ball, he's very accurate.

Negatives: his footwork is really bad, it will take quite some time before he's able to operate in a timing based WCO like Shanahan wants, as far as footwork is concerned, accuracy under pressure can be very spotty/bad, doesn't have great pocket feel - will often not react to pressure until it's right there(reminds me of Kaepernick in this regard), needs work on throwing into zones with anticipation.

He's very talented but pretty raw. I think the deshaun Watson comparisons are unfair to him. He's fields, not Watson. Watson had 2 very successful years as a starter under his belt. He'll need 1, maybe 2 years to really develop IMO.

Mac Jones: elite accuracy, can make all the throws, very good understanding of the offense/progressions to get deep in the progressions, throws with excellent anticipation, tough under pressure(go look at his 1st passing td vs MIZZOU), put up insane passing numbers this past year, great footwork from shotgun, great pocket awareness/management.

Negatives: not an elite athlete, has no tools to avoid pressure other than his arm, there are character concerns.

The negatives about Jones are all about him not being a deshaun watson type.

Lance: talented but raw. Huge arm, lots of experience operating under center, explosive runner, above average accuracy.

Negatives: doesn't handle pressure well, passing was very spotty/poor in his 1 game this year(50% comp 5 YPA, 150 yds 2 TD 1 INT), will take development in a sophisticated drop back passing game.

To me, Fields has the highest potential - could be a deshaun watson type, or could be a Dwayne Haskins. There's a lot of question marks and would benefit from sitting and learning and working one the game from the ground up but will need to unlearn and relearn things.

If he's the pick, at minimum, Jimmy should be here 2 years, barring injury IMO. I could be wrong but he's raw.

Jones, I see him as faster plug and play. His biggest issue is adjusting to under center more and turning his back to the defense. If we're looking at keeping a consistent qn room to insulate against injury, Jones makes more sense. You will have the exact same playbook with Jimmy/Jones/Sudfeld/Rosen. With Fields, you'll have a slightly different playbook.

Now we need to pull back maddog49er back from Seahawks.org to get his assessment as well.

He posted his assessment in the Fields thread.

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Well, here's my initial scouting report:
Fields: live arm, elite athlete, can make something out of nothing, fearless thrower, heavy arm thrower which means he generates lots of power from just his arm, when he knows where he wants to go with the ball, he's very accurate.

Negatives: his footwork is really bad, it will take quite some time before he's able to operate in a timing based WCO like Shanahan wants, as far as footwork is concerned, accuracy under pressure can be very spotty/bad, doesn't have great pocket feel - will often not react to pressure until it's right there(reminds me of Kaepernick in this regard), needs work on throwing into zones with anticipation.

He's very talented but pretty raw. I think the deshaun Watson comparisons are unfair to him. He's fields, not Watson. Watson had 2 very successful years as a starter under his belt. He'll need 1, maybe 2 years to really develop IMO.

Mac Jones: elite accuracy, can make all the throws, very good understanding of the offense/progressions to get deep in the progressions, throws with excellent anticipation, tough under pressure(go look at his 1st passing td vs MIZZOU), put up insane passing numbers this past year, great footwork from shotgun, great pocket awareness/management.

Negatives: not an elite athlete, has no tools to avoid pressure other than his arm, there are character concerns.

The negatives about Jones are all about him not being a deshaun watson type.

Lance: talented but raw. Huge arm, lots of experience operating under center, explosive runner, above average accuracy.

Negatives: doesn't handle pressure well, passing was very spotty/poor in his 1 game this year(50% comp 5 YPA, 150 yds 2 TD 1 INT), will take development in a sophisticated drop back passing game.

To me, Fields has the highest potential - could be a deshaun watson type, or could be a Dwayne Haskins. There's a lot of question marks and would benefit from sitting and learning and working one the game from the ground up but will need to unlearn and relearn things.

If he's the pick, at minimum, Jimmy should be here 2 years, barring injury IMO. I could be wrong but he's raw.

Jones, I see him as faster plug and play. His biggest issue is adjusting to under center more and turning his back to the defense. If we're looking at keeping a consistent qn room to insulate against injury, Jones makes more sense. You will have the exact same playbook with Jimmy/Jones/Sudfeld/Rosen. With Fields, you'll have a slightly different playbook.

Thanks... all things considered, is it fair to say you are the highest on Mac? If you had to make this pick, would it be Mac?

Well, I don't know. I like both guys I just think there are more question marks about Fields. I don't like all the DeShaun Watson comparisons because there's no guarantee that happens. People are assuming he is because they wanted Watson so bad and he seems to fit the bill. Aaron Brooks was also supposed to be the next Michael Vick.

I think it's also telling that there's so much hate for Jones yet the only thing people bring up is that he's not a premiere athlete. There have been far more less than stellar athletes to win lombardis than otherwise.

If we're talking just pure thrower and operating from the pocket, Jones is really hard not to like. Just look at the numbers he put up, they were insane and he sat during many a 4th qtr. I think Eli Manning is his floor. A Tom Brady or Drew Brees is probably lofty, but he has the tools.

Fields, I can't answer because I don't know how confident Kyle is he can coach him up over his issues. Not saying he can't be, but who is the right person to do that? I wouldn't have the tools to do it so I can't answer whether kyle thinks he could.

I think the kid has a ton of potential, but I think I've made it abundantly clear over the years my preference for someone to get the job done from the pocket. I will always weight toward that. That being my biggest factor, I'd go with Jones.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Well, here's my initial scouting report:
Fields: live arm, elite athlete, can make something out of nothing, fearless thrower, heavy arm thrower which means he generates lots of power from just his arm, when he knows where he wants to go with the ball, he's very accurate.

Negatives: his footwork is really bad, it will take quite some time before he's able to operate in a timing based WCO like Shanahan wants, as far as footwork is concerned, accuracy under pressure can be very spotty/bad, doesn't have great pocket feel - will often not react to pressure until it's right there(reminds me of Kaepernick in this regard), needs work on throwing into zones with anticipation.

He's very talented but pretty raw. I think the deshaun Watson comparisons are unfair to him. He's fields, not Watson. Watson had 2 very successful years as a starter under his belt. He'll need 1, maybe 2 years to really develop IMO.

Mac Jones: elite accuracy, can make all the throws, very good understanding of the offense/progressions to get deep in the progressions, throws with excellent anticipation, tough under pressure(go look at his 1st passing td vs MIZZOU), put up insane passing numbers this past year, great footwork from shotgun, great pocket awareness/management.

Negatives: not an elite athlete, has no tools to avoid pressure other than his arm, there are character concerns.

The negatives about Jones are all about him not being a deshaun watson type.

Lance: talented but raw. Huge arm, lots of experience operating under center, explosive runner, above average accuracy.

Negatives: doesn't handle pressure well, passing was very spotty/poor in his 1 game this year(50% comp 5 YPA, 150 yds 2 TD 1 INT), will take development in a sophisticated drop back passing game.

To me, Fields has the highest potential - could be a deshaun watson type, or could be a Dwayne Haskins. There's a lot of question marks and would benefit from sitting and learning and working one the game from the ground up but will need to unlearn and relearn things.

If he's the pick, at minimum, Jimmy should be here 2 years, barring injury IMO. I could be wrong but he's raw.

Jones, I see him as faster plug and play. His biggest issue is adjusting to under center more and turning his back to the defense. If we're looking at keeping a consistent qn room to insulate against injury, Jones makes more sense. You will have the exact same playbook with Jimmy/Jones/Sudfeld/Rosen. With Fields, you'll have a slightly different playbook.

Thanks... all things considered, is it fair to say you are the highest on Mac? If you had to make this pick, would it be Mac?

Well, I don't know. I like both guys I just think there are more question marks about Fields. I don't like all the DeShaun Watson comparisons because there's no guarantee that happens. People are assuming he is because they wanted Watson so bad and he seems to fit the bill. Aaron Brooks was also supposed to be the next Michael Vick.

I think it's also telling that there's so much hate for Jones yet the only thing people bring up is that he's not a premiere athlete. There have been far more less than stellar athletes to win lombardis than otherwise.

If we're talking just pure thrower and operating from the pocket, Jones is really hard not to like. Just look at the numbers he put up, they were insane and he sat during many a 4th qtr. I think Eli Manning is his floor. A Tom Brady or Drew Brees is probably lofty, but he has the tools.

Fields, I can't answer because I don't know how confident Kyle is he can coach him up over his issues. Not saying he can't be, but who is the right person to do that? I wouldn't have the tools to do it so I can't answer whether kyle thinks he could.

I think the kid has a ton of potential, but I think I've made it abundantly clear over the years my preference for someone to get the job done from the pocket. I will always weight toward that. That being my biggest factor, I'd go with Jones.

Great comp (Mac to Brady). Personally I just never understood the concept of ceilings. I guess you can compare body type and athlete to folks in the NFL, but so much goes into the development of any player (QB or otherwise) like Coaching, the players around him, and the rookie's own mental makeup. Mac's been compared to Mat Ryan, Jimmy G. and Kirk Cousins - I guess they are all trying to gauge how far he goes and how much he can develop. It's just a guess, and the Brady Comp is just as valid as all the others. More, actually, coming from a student of the game like you.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Well, I don't know. I like both guys I just think there are more question marks about Fields. I don't like all the DeShaun Watson comparisons because there's no guarantee that happens. People are assuming he is because they wanted Watson so bad and he seems to fit the bill. Aaron Brooks was also supposed to be the next Michael Vick.

I think it's also telling that there's so much hate for Jones yet the only thing people bring up is that he's not a premiere athlete. There have been far more less than stellar athletes to win lombardis than otherwise.

If we're talking just pure thrower and operating from the pocket, Jones is really hard not to like. Just look at the numbers he put up, they were insane and he sat during many a 4th qtr. I think Eli Manning is his floor. A Tom Brady or Drew Brees is probably lofty, but he has the tools.

Fields, I can't answer because I don't know how confident Kyle is he can coach him up over his issues. Not saying he can't be, but who is the right person to do that? I wouldn't have the tools to do it so I can't answer whether kyle thinks he could.

I think the kid has a ton of potential, but I think I've made it abundantly clear over the years my preference for someone to get the job done from the pocket. I will always weight toward that. That being my biggest factor, I'd go with Jones.

great assessment. Thank you. Obviously, people aren't giving Mac his due credit because of the weapons he had at Bama... I think people have a hard time assessing him respectively, in a vacuum. He made some really impressive throws, regardless of who his WR was consistently throughout the year. If he is the pick, feel
bad for the kid because he'll be the most hated draft pick in Niner history until he proves himself

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Well, here's my initial scouting report:
Fields: live arm, elite athlete, can make something out of nothing, fearless thrower, heavy arm thrower which means he generates lots of power from just his arm, when he knows where he wants to go with the ball, he's very accurate.

Negatives: his footwork is really bad, it will take quite some time before he's able to operate in a timing based WCO like Shanahan wants, as far as footwork is concerned, accuracy under pressure can be very spotty/bad, doesn't have great pocket feel - will often not react to pressure until it's right there(reminds me of Kaepernick in this regard), needs work on throwing into zones with anticipation.

He's very talented but pretty raw. I think the deshaun Watson comparisons are unfair to him. He's fields, not Watson. Watson had 2 very successful years as a starter under his belt. He'll need 1, maybe 2 years to really develop IMO.

Mac Jones: elite accuracy, can make all the throws, very good understanding of the offense/progressions to get deep in the progressions, throws with excellent anticipation, tough under pressure(go look at his 1st passing td vs MIZZOU), put up insane passing numbers this past year, great footwork from shotgun, great pocket awareness/management.

Negatives: not an elite athlete, has no tools to avoid pressure other than his arm, there are character concerns.

The negatives about Jones are all about him not being a deshaun watson type.

Lance: talented but raw. Huge arm, lots of experience operating under center, explosive runner, above average accuracy.

Negatives: doesn't handle pressure well, passing was very spotty/poor in his 1 game this year(50% comp 5 YPA, 150 yds 2 TD 1 INT), will take development in a sophisticated drop back passing game.

To me, Fields has the highest potential - could be a deshaun watson type, or could be a Dwayne Haskins. There's a lot of question marks and would benefit from sitting and learning and working one the game from the ground up but will need to unlearn and relearn things.

If he's the pick, at minimum, Jimmy should be here 2 years, barring injury IMO. I could be wrong but he's raw.

Jones, I see him as faster plug and play. His biggest issue is adjusting to under center more and turning his back to the defense. If we're looking at keeping a consistent qn room to insulate against injury, Jones makes more sense. You will have the exact same playbook with Jimmy/Jones/Sudfeld/Rosen. With Fields, you'll have a slightly different playbook.

Thanks... all things considered, is it fair to say you are the highest on Mac? If you had to make this pick, would it be Mac?

Well, I don't know. I like both guys I just think there are more question marks about Fields. I don't like all the DeShaun Watson comparisons because there's no guarantee that happens. People are assuming he is because they wanted Watson so bad and he seems to fit the bill. Aaron Brooks was also supposed to be the next Michael Vick.

I think it's also telling that there's so much hate for Jones yet the only thing people bring up is that he's not a premiere athlete. There have been far more less than stellar athletes to win lombardis than otherwise.

If we're talking just pure thrower and operating from the pocket, Jones is really hard not to like. Just look at the numbers he put up, they were insane and he sat during many a 4th qtr. I think Eli Manning is his floor. A Tom Brady or Drew Brees is probably lofty, but he has the tools.

Fields, I can't answer because I don't know how confident Kyle is he can coach him up over his issues. Not saying he can't be, but who is the right person to do that? I wouldn't have the tools to do it so I can't answer whether kyle thinks he could.

I think the kid has a ton of potential, but I think I've made it abundantly clear over the years my preference for someone to get the job done from the pocket. I will always weight toward that. That being my biggest factor, I'd go with Jones.

Great comp (Mac to Brady). Personally I just never understood the concept of ceilings. I guess you can compare body type and athlete to folks in the NFL, but so much goes into the development of any player (QB or otherwise) like Coaching, the players around him, and the rookie's own mental makeup. Mac's been compared to Mat Ryan, Jimmy G. and Kirk Cousins - I guess they are all trying to gauge how far he goes and how much he can develop. It's just a guess, and the Brady Comp is just as valid as all the others. More, actually, coming from a student of the game like you.

Lol wtf....comparing mac to arguably best QB ever...ok buddy.

As someone who doesn't watch college football I don't have a reference point for the Mac Jones hate. Is it because he's flabby and not a scrambler? The NFL trainers will take care of the former, while he'll need his mind and arm to take care of the latter. What exactly are the character concerns? Are we talking arrogant jock type? Druggy type? Potential handsy rapist type? Immature Leaf type? Someone define this for me, please.

Originally posted by captveg:
As someone who doesn't watch college football I don't have a reference point for the Mac Jones hate. Is it because he's flabby and not a scrambler? The NFL trainers will take care of the former, while he'll need his mind and arm to take care of the latter. What exactly are the character concerns? Are we talking arrogant jock type? Druggy type? Potential handsy rapist type? Immature Leaf type? Someone define this for me, please.

He's not flashy like a Mahomes, Watson, Murray, Allen. That's what Niner fans want.

Originally posted by captveg:
As someone who doesn't watch college football I don't have a reference point for the Mac Jones hate. Is it because he's flabby and not a scrambler? The NFL trainers will take care of the former, while he'll need his mind and arm to take care of the latter. What exactly are the character concerns? Are we talking arrogant jock type? Druggy type? Potential handsy rapist type? Immature Leaf type? Someone define this for me, please.

Dude was fast tracking to an undergraduate and master's degree while mastering Steve Sarkisian's playbook.

No offense, but anyone who's been through academic schedules like this knows there isn't time for s**t. Working out is pretty much the last thing you have time for.

They'll get him in shape once football is his only profession.

Originally posted by FL9er:

Originally posted by captveg:
As someone who doesn't watch college football I don't have a reference point for the Mac Jones hate. Is it because he's flabby and not a scrambler? The NFL trainers will take care of the former, while he'll need his mind and arm to take care of the latter. What exactly are the character concerns? Are we talking arrogant jock type? Druggy type? Potential handsy rapist type? Immature Leaf type? Someone define this for me, please.

He's not flashy like a Mahomes, Watson, Murray, Allen. That's what Niner fans want.

This. Pretty much all of this.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by captveg:
As someone who doesn't watch college football I don't have a reference point for the Mac Jones hate. Is it because he's flabby and not a scrambler? The NFL trainers will take care of the former, while he'll need his mind and arm to take care of the latter. What exactly are the character concerns? Are we talking arrogant jock type? Druggy type? Potential handsy rapist type? Immature Leaf type? Someone define this for me, please.

Dude was fast tracking to an undergraduate and master's degree while mastering Steve Sarkisian's playbook.

No offense, but anyone who's been through academic schedules like this knows there isn't time for s**t. Working out is pretty much the last thing you have time for.

They'll get him in shape once football is his only profession.

Totally agree!