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Originally posted by Rocket4989:
49ers are looking like the rams last year after they lost the Super Bowl. 2020 football season should've been canceled anyways so I'm hoping for a better 2021season.
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by PERUVIAN49ERS:
Please someone should put OLine heads out of their asses....
Yeah, the OL is real bad right now.
If the O-line is bad I'm putting this on Shanny. He's got the O-line he wants. I'm not really trusting Shanny's offensive personnel judgement right now. He's got the WR's he wants. He's got the O-line he wants. He's got the TE's he wants. He's got the RB's he wants. Given that the offense is largely healthy I expected at least a shootout. Missing half our defensive starters and key rotational players I fully expected the defense to get torched. The offenses inability to score points has nothing to do with the defense, so I'm not putting this on the defense.
I really think Shanny was a bit exposed yesterday. His offense is too finesse, too soft, and the Eagles and Dolphins did what they should have done to a soft team - bully them. That's what happened yesterday. The line couldn't block anyone. The WR's (who are all just slot WR's) couldn't get open. All game Miami played all our WR's tight at the LOS because they don't respect none of them. Our offense just got punked, and Shanny had no answers, and we haven't even gotten to the teeth of our schedule.
This season is over
Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Shanny is being exposed for not being a complete HC. Shanny largely has the offensive personnel he wants. Yet this is the result.
That's because the 9ers under Shanny doesn't have a legit passing game. If you can stop 9ers' run game, you have a very good chance in beating this team. There are no big outside WRs and we don't throw the ball down the field.
Bingo! And that's on Shanny. Lynch is deferring to Shanny way too much on personnel.
Problem is Lynch can't tell Shanny to start throwing the ball down field if he doesn't want to. Shanny is stuck with all his pre-snap misdirection gimmicks and throwing the ball for 5 yards to rely on the WRs' YAC. So, I don't think I can blame that on Lynch. What Shanny needs to do is to have a road map for advancing the offense. You can't just call the same ole plays all the time. He needs to build on it.
I don't blame this on Lynch, at all. I think you are misreading me. I blame Shanny, not his scheme, his choice of personnel to run it.
Well, the schemes and personnel are related. If Shanny only wants the WRs to run after short catches, he is only after shifty WRs. Do we even have a scheme to throw the ball outside of the numbers down field? No, we don't. I think we both agree Shanny needs to develop that facet of his offense. And once we start doing that, then naturally we will need some bigger outside WRs.
Originally posted by Rathof44:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by ozzcows:
I'm sick of Kyle Shanahan's stupid hat. No color or life to it, just like this team on a super bowl hangover.
With all the issues this team has now you're concerned about Kyle's hat. Jeez.
This team was favored by 8 points going into that game and lost by 26. A 34 point swing is nonsense. It looked like the team quit after awhile and there was no fight, even after they scored in the 2nd half and closed the score to 30-14. They immediately gave up another score. This season could quickly spiral out of control considering the games left on the schedule and the injuries this team keeps getting.
Down 7 starters on defense (if i counted correctly), there comes a point where it becomes a personnel issue, just overmatched at his point. Dolphins do have pretty good receivers with Parker, Williams, and Gesecki. Brian Allen? Eric Allen at 55 would have been better.
Originally posted by RDB4216:
Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Shanny is being exposed for not being a complete HC. Shanny largely has the offensive personnel he wants. Yet this is the result.
That's because the 9ers under Shanny doesn't have a legit passing game. If you can stop 9ers' run game, you have a very good chance in beating this team. There are no big outside WRs and we don't throw the ball down the field.
Bingo! And that's on Shanny. Lynch is deferring to Shanny way too much on personnel.
Problem is Lynch can't tell Shanny to start throwing the ball down field if he doesn't want to. Shanny is stuck with all his pre-snap misdirection gimmicks and throwing the ball for 5 yards to rely on the WRs' YAC. So, I don't think I can blame that on Lynch. What Shanny needs to do is to have a road map for advancing the offense. You can't just call the same ole plays all the time. He needs to build on it.
I don't blame this on Lynch, at all. I think you are misreading me. I blame Shanny, not his scheme, his choice of personnel to run it.
Well, the schemes and personnel are related. If Shanny only wants the WRs to run after short catches, he is only after shifty WRs. Do we even have a scheme to throw the ball outside of the numbers down field? No, we don't. I think we both agree Shanny needs to develop that facet of his offense. And once we start doing that, then naturally we will need some bigger outside WRs.
That's the point. We don't have a scheme to get the ball outside or deep, because obviously Shanny doesn't want to run it. It's not a question of "developing", at least it shouldn't be for an offensive guru. He's had the opportunity to get players for that, and passed. I wanted Metcalf last year, and Lamb this year. And we could have had them both.
Originally posted by Rascal:
Absolutely and I wanted Metcalf too when the naysayers were claiming he would be a bust. Look at the Seahawks now, they are killing it. There was a time when Pete Carroll's offense was all about running the ball during the Beast Mode era. He has since moved on and now the Seahawks' offense is pass-first led by Russell Wilson and a bunch of great WRs. Even this year, I was hoping Shanahan would consider someone like Claypool. We have seen what WRs like Jalen Hurd, namely a 6'5", 230 lbs beast could do, there is no reason why we can't or shouldn't have more of the type. Shanahan is beginning to be left behind by the times and also being limited by his very own stubbornness on certain points of view. Give you an example, is like his immediate discard or disqualification of mobile QBs because he thinks all mobile QBs can't read defense, otherwise he would have looked into Mahomes. We had the #2 overall pick and he didn't even think about it, let alone consider checking out Mahomes. He couldn't see pass his own tinted lenses and most importantly he couldn't see the potential in Mahomes like Andy Reid was able to do. Instead what did he do? He decided to draft Solomon Thomas, 9ers' biggest bust in recent history.
And if you spend enough time to study the 9ers' offense like what the Dolphins did, it really isn't that difficult to stop it. The Dolphins was able to work out the 9ers will run the ball first to get their offense going and they never throw the ball pass 20 yards. OK, no problem, we stack the box with 8 and our corners will play shallow and shut down all their WRs within the 20 yards range. And we rush the QB to disrupt the rhythm which is what their passing offense is based on. Also, test that O-line, it is compromised for run-blocking and very weak on pass-pro. Boom, the 9ers' offense dissected, dissolved and countered to a tee.
Jed York always rushes to pay or promote people because he doesn't understand the concept of the earning things because he hasn't earned anything in his life.
— Grant Cohn (@grantcohn) October 12, 2020
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by PERUVIAN49ERS:
Please someone should put OLine heads out of their asses....
Yeah, the OL is real bad right now.
If the O-line is bad I'm putting this on Shanny. He's got the O-line he wants. I'm not really trusting Shanny's offensive personnel judgement right now. He's got the WR's he wants. He's got the O-line he wants. He's got the TE's he wants. He's got the RB's he wants. Given that the offense is largely healthy I expected at least a shootout. Missing half our defensive starters and key rotational players I fully expected the defense to get torched. The offenses inability to score points has nothing to do with the defense, so I'm not putting this on the defense.
I really think Shanny was a bit exposed yesterday. His offense is too finesse, too soft, and the Eagles and Dolphins did what they should have done to a soft team - bully them. That's what happened yesterday. The line couldn't block anyone. The WR's (who are all just slot WR's) couldn't get open. All game Miami played all our WR's tight at the LOS because they don't respect none of them. Our offense just got punked, and Shanny had no answers, and we haven't even gotten to the teeth of our schedule.
This season is over
Originally posted by RDB4216:
Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Shanny is being exposed for not being a complete HC. Shanny largely has the offensive personnel he wants. Yet this is the result.
That's because the 9ers under Shanny doesn't have a legit passing game. If you can stop 9ers' run game, you have a very good chance in beating this team. There are no big outside WRs and we don't throw the ball down the field.
Bingo! And that's on Shanny. Lynch is deferring to Shanny way too much on personnel.
Problem is Lynch can't tell Shanny to start throwing the ball down field if he doesn't want to. Shanny is stuck with all his pre-snap misdirection gimmicks and throwing the ball for 5 yards to rely on the WRs' YAC. So, I don't think I can blame that on Lynch. What Shanny needs to do is to have a road map for advancing the offense. You can't just call the same ole plays all the time. He needs to build on it.
I don't blame this on Lynch, at all. I think you are misreading me. I blame Shanny, not his scheme, his choice of personnel to run it.
Well, the schemes and personnel are related. If Shanny only wants the WRs to run after short catches, he is only after shifty WRs. Do we even have a scheme to throw the ball outside of the numbers down field? No, we don't. I think we both agree Shanny needs to develop that facet of his offense. And once we start doing that, then naturally we will need some bigger outside WRs.
That's the point. We don't have a scheme to get the ball outside or deep, because obviously Shanny doesn't want to run it. It's not a question of "developing", at least it shouldn't be for an offensive guru. He's had the opportunity to get players for that, and passed. I wanted Metcalf last year, and Lamb this year. And we could have had them both.
Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by Rascal:
Absolutely and I wanted Metcalf too when the naysayers were claiming he would be a bust. Look at the Seahawks now, they are killing it. There was a time when Pete Carroll's offense was all about running the ball during the Beast Mode era. He has since moved on and now the Seahawks' offense is pass-first led by Russell Wilson and a bunch of great WRs. Even this year, I was hoping Shanahan would consider someone like Claypool. We have seen what WRs like Jalen Hurd, namely a 6'5", 230 lbs beast could do, there is no reason why we can't or shouldn't have more of the type. Shanahan is beginning to be left behind by the times and also being limited by his very own stubbornness on certain points of view. Give you an example, is like his immediate discard or disqualification of mobile QBs because he thinks all mobile QBs can't read defense, otherwise he would have looked into Mahomes. We had the #2 overall pick and he didn't even think about it, let alone consider checking out Mahomes. He couldn't see pass his own tinted lenses and most importantly he couldn't see the potential in Mahomes like Andy Reid was able to do. Instead what did he do? He decided to draft Solomon Thomas, 9ers' biggest bust in recent history.
And if you spend enough time to study the 9ers' offense like what the Dolphins did, it really isn't that difficult to stop it. The Dolphins was able to work out the 9ers will run the ball first to get their offense going and they never throw the ball pass 20 yards. OK, no problem, we stack the box with 8 and our corners will play shallow and shut down all their WRs within the 20 yards range. And we rush the QB to disrupt the rhythm which is what their passing offense is based on. Also, test that O-line, it is compromised for run-blocking and very weak on pass-pro. Boom, the 9ers' offense dissected, dissolved and countered to a tee.
If you've truly been watching how the Seahawks are using Metcalf then you'd understand he wouldn't be nearly as effective here. 49ers don't chuck bombs all game long and don't have a QB who throws downfield like Wilson.
Also, we haven't seen what a WR like Jalen Hurd can do. The guy has played ZERO NFL regular season games, so I'm not sure what you're talking about.
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Originally posted by RDB4216:
Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Shanny is being exposed for not being a complete HC. Shanny largely has the offensive personnel he wants. Yet this is the result.
That's because the 9ers under Shanny doesn't have a legit passing game. If you can stop 9ers' run game, you have a very good chance in beating this team. There are no big outside WRs and we don't throw the ball down the field.
Bingo! And that's on Shanny. Lynch is deferring to Shanny way too much on personnel.
Problem is Lynch can't tell Shanny to start throwing the ball down field if he doesn't want to. Shanny is stuck with all his pre-snap misdirection gimmicks and throwing the ball for 5 yards to rely on the WRs' YAC. So, I don't think I can blame that on Lynch. What Shanny needs to do is to have a road map for advancing the offense. You can't just call the same ole plays all the time. He needs to build on it.
I don't blame this on Lynch, at all. I think you are misreading me. I blame Shanny, not his scheme, his choice of personnel to run it.
Well, the schemes and personnel are related. If Shanny only wants the WRs to run after short catches, he is only after shifty WRs. Do we even have a scheme to throw the ball outside of the numbers down field? No, we don't. I think we both agree Shanny needs to develop that facet of his offense. And once we start doing that, then naturally we will need some bigger outside WRs.
That's the point. We don't have a scheme to get the ball outside or deep, because obviously Shanny doesn't want to run it. It's not a question of "developing", at least it shouldn't be for an offensive guru. He's had the opportunity to get players for that, and passed. I wanted Metcalf last year, and Lamb this year. And we could have had them both.
I wanted Metcalf as well. But at 6-4, 230 I didn't see Shanny drafting him. He's just not into physical big-bodies. I thought he might get Lamb. But this is were I think Shanny needs to adjust his scheme. He values speed and he has WR's with the speed he like. The problem they're mostly slot-style WR's that need to be schemed open downfield with motions, shifts, and creative route concepts. The Dolphins showed precisely why you can't fill your WR corps with a bunch of slot guys, why it's important to have at least one physical big-body on the field that the defense has to respect. What they (and the Eagles) did was not allow our WR's to cleanly run their routes.
This is why I said that Shanny was exposed yesterday. Shanny's scheme, as brilliant and creative as it is, it's finesse. And it requires smaller, faster, shiftier WR's and lighter athletic O-lineman. And what positions are we being beaten at? The O-line and WR's.
Originally posted by Rascal:
This is why teams tend to prefer bigger WRs to play on the outside for the deep balls to beat out the DBs.
Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by Rascal:
This is why teams tend to prefer bigger WRs to play on the outside for the deep balls to beat out the DBs.
The best deep ball team in the NFL, the Chiefs, doesn't have a single "big-body WR."
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I know Metcalf is big but Lockett also gets lots of deep balls and he was thought to be no more than a punt returner or a gadget player coming out of college. The size helps on contested passes but you don't need to be huge to get open deep.
