SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS at ARIZONA CARDINALS - 2020 Week 16

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:

ARod - late first rounder
Brees - 2nd rounder
Wilson - 2nd rounder
Mahomes - 10th overall (wouldn't cost us much to trade to 10)
Brady - 6th rounder
Big Ben - 11th overall
etc.

Yes you're right no QB drafted in the top 10 has ever been good lol.

Fact: in last 5 drafts, QBs round 2 and later 96% fail rate. First round QBs: 32% fail rate.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Not moving into the top 5/6 to draft a qb

Oh okay

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Fact: in last 5 drafts, QBs round 2 and later 96% fail rate. First round QBs: 32% fail rate.

Fact:73.6% of all statistics are made up.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Jones is widely projected as a late 1st to early 3rd rounder. So what does earlier mean? Drafted in the 40s? 30s? 20s?



This is just you being salty over the possibility that they don't draft Wilson, the same way you were upset when they didn't draft Jeudy or Lamb and in the end the team got the superior WR in Aiyuk anyways.


There's still a lot of time between now and the draft and a lot can change in a short period of time. Not sure there's any reason to freak out over it.


The "BUT ALL THE GOOD QBS WILL BE GONE ANYWAYS" rhetoric is too much. If that unlikely scenario happens then they trade for a vet or run it back with Garoppolo next season. Could always be worse.

Where is he being projected from 1st-3rd? I'm not salty about s**t. You're trying to eat your cake and have it too.

You've been propping Jones for 2 months, now he's not gonna be a top 15 pick just because that's convenient lol.

It's not just about Wilson, sure he's a great fit for this team. I also like fields/Lance and yes I do like Jones (just not as much as you),

Yes there's a lot of time left...I don't expect Jones to drop after the fact....I value Ben's info and I know you do as well.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Rathof44:
Fact: in last 5 drafts, QBs round 2 and later 96% fail rate. First round QBs: 32% fail rate.

Fact:73.6% of all statistics are made up.

Link please

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Fact: in last 5 drafts, QBs round 2 and later 96% fail rate. First round QBs: 32% fail rate.

Last 5 drafts? So, QB's picked in rounds 2-7 just last year and the year before are already slated as failures? That makes no sense.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Jones is widely projected as a late 1st to early 3rd rounder. So what does earlier mean? Drafted in the 40s? 30s? 20s?



This is just you being salty over the possibility that they don't draft Wilson, the same way you were upset when they didn't draft Jeudy or Lamb and in the end the team got the superior WR in Aiyuk anyways.


There's still a lot of time between now and the draft and a lot can change in a short period of time. Not sure there's any reason to freak out over it.


The "BUT ALL THE GOOD QBS WILL BE GONE ANYWAYS" rhetoric is too much. If that unlikely scenario happens then they trade for a vet or run it back with Garoppolo next season. Could always be worse.

Where is he being projected from 1st-3rd? I'm not salty about s**t. You're trying to eat your cake and have it too.

You've been propping Jones for 2 months, now he's not gonna be a top 15 pick just because that's convenient lol.

It's not just about Wilson, sure he's a great fit for this team. I also like fields/Lance and yes I do like Jones (just not as much as you),

Yes there's a lot of time left...I don't expect Jones to drop after the fact....I value Ben's info and I know you do as well.

Just because he likes Jones so much doesn't mean he thinks he's going top 15.

Phoenix also loved Quinton Patton and could make him sound like he could be a 1st rounder but he knew he wouldn't go before the 3rd.

Nobody knows anything about the draft nor how it will work out.

Why bother having a strong opinion about a prospect who has virtually no chance of living up to expectations?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:

What makes that the plan? When it's all said and done, Mac Jones could have a better career than Zach Wilson. Draft position isn't the be all end all, even when it comes to QBs.

Who says Jones will be there? You? They might have to move up for him just as well. QBs always get pushed up.

Again this game did nothing to benefit them really this yr or in the draft...they're not going to the playoffs, they still have a f**k ton of players they have to replace and upgrade. Great moral victory, cool. Means nothing after next week.

Dude, you're talking about the 49ers as a whole yet conveniently forget that this team is made up of individuals trying to perform for job continuity.

Jeff Wilson - undrafted RB showcased his abilities and will definitely stay with the team or get picked up quick by someone else

Jason Verrett - 2 years not even able to play due to injury. Is going to get a nice contract to return to the 49ers or will get picked up by another team

Kerry Hyder - career high 8.5 sacks; is going to be given a nice contract

Juice - vying for his last big payday showed his versatility as a FB and why he should continue to be highest-paid FB

Robert Saleh - his injury-riddled defense kept a playoff potential team to only 12 points. Is going to have several teams overpay him to be their next head coach

Continue to say what you want, but this win means nothing only to you, Jose, and others that are upset on this win hurting our draft slotting. This win today means the world to many men and their families.

Originally posted by okdkid:

Nobody knows anything about the draft nor how it will work out.

Why bother having a strong opinion about a prospect who has virtually no chance of living up to expectations?

Exactly...Clearly the webzone can cause toxic addiction issues and ego.

This teams fav thing to do. Win meaningless games at the end of the season that get us NOTHING an bump out of the top 10 in the draft. Good job guys.

Originally posted by Stanley:

Originally posted by okdkid:
Nobody knows anything about the draft nor how it will work out.

Why bother having a strong opinion about a prospect who has virtually no chance of living up to expectations?

Exactly...Clearly the webzone can cause toxic addiction issues and ego.

Well the WZ just fired two writers, one of which has said toxicity and ego.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Fact: in last 5 drafts, QBs round 2 and later 96% fail rate. First round QBs: 32% fail rate.

Fact:73.6% of all statistics are made up.

True but this isn't. Tried to find my previous post on this but it vaporized.

Originally posted by InfiniteEight:

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Fact: in last 5 drafts, QBs round 2 and later 96% fail rate. First round QBs: 32% fail rate.

Last 5 drafts? So, QB's picked in rounds 2-7 just last year and the year before are already slated as failures? That makes no sense.

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Fact: in last 5 drafts, QBs round 2 and later 96% fail rate. First round QBs: 32% fail rate.

Fact:73.6% of all statistics are made up.

Link please

My original post on another thread:

Going after QBs after R1 is an exercise in futility. Odds are so far against success. Since the 2016 draft 62 QBs have been drafted. Of those, 16 were first rounders. 11 of those 16 have been successful NFL QBs: Watson, Mahomes, Goff, Wentz*, Murray, Jackson, Burrow, Herbert, Tua, Mayfield and Allen. Gave Wentz the benefit of the doubt since he had a few good seasons. Also left Jordan Love out since he has not played. Of the other 46 draftred QBs in the next 6 roounds, two have been successful : Prescott (R4) and Hurts, so far (R2).

What you get drafting QBs after R2 is a cornucopia of garbage: Tanner Lee, Tony Stevens, Brad Kaaya, Clayton Thorson, Danny Etling, Connor Cook, CJ Beathard, Alex McGough, Mike White, Logan Woodside, Chrisitan Hackenberg, Cardale Jones, etc......household names, I know. Actually just hot garbage.

Success rate in R1: 69%
Success Rate after R1: 4%

Buy once cry once, versus chasing rainbows. Time to pay up. . Smart man once told me: "Cheap tools are good, good tools aren't cheap"

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Nice way to really mess up the draft position. A useless win in a wasted season. Which will only drive our draft position much lower. This team is so bad. We need a higher pick. Classic 49ers. Mess up on all ends.

A higher pick, so we can draft a guy like Solomon Thomas again? Draft position doesn't matter. You can find Fred Warner, George Kittle, and Raheem Mostert without a top tier pick. Worry about winning at all times. Bill Walsh said it best. "Champions act like champions before they are champions". Not trying in order to help your draft slot is not "acting like champions", its acting like losers who will be picking in the top 10 for years to come.