SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS at ARIZONA CARDINALS - 2020 Week 16

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

Originally posted by Stanley:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Nobody knows anything about the draft nor how it will work out.

Why bother having a strong opinion about a prospect who has virtually no chance of living up to expectations?

Exactly...Clearly the webzone can cause toxic addiction issues and ego.

Well the WZ just fired two writers, one of which has said toxicity and ego.

They did? Who were they?

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Nice way to really mess up the draft position. A useless win in a wasted season. Which will only drive our draft position much lower. This team is so bad. We need a higher pick. Classic 49ers. Mess up on all ends.

A higher pick, so we can draft a guy like Solomon Thomas again? Draft position doesn't matter. You can find Fred Warner, George Kittle, and Raheem Mostert without a top tier pick. Worry about winning at all times. Bill Walsh said it best. "Champions act like champions before they are champions". Not trying in order to help your draft slot is not "acting like champions", its acting like losers who will be picking in the top 10 for years to come.

Your reply lost all credibility after "draft position doesn't matter". It' clearly does.

Originally posted by stefano89:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Nice way to really mess up the draft position. A useless win in a wasted season. Which will only drive our draft position much lower. This team is so bad. We need a higher pick. Classic 49ers. Mess up on all ends.

A higher pick, so we can draft a guy like Solomon Thomas again? Draft position doesn't matter. You can find Fred Warner, George Kittle, and Raheem Mostert without a top tier pick. Worry about winning at all times. Bill Walsh said it best. "Champions act like champions before they are champions". Not trying in order to help your draft slot is not "acting like champions", its acting like losers who will be picking in the top 10 for years to come.

Your reply lost all credibility after "draft position doesn't matter". It' clearly does.

Only matters if you're really high, but we're not and wasn't going to be if we lost

Originally posted by stefano89:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Nice way to really mess up the draft position. A useless win in a wasted season. Which will only drive our draft position much lower. This team is so bad. We need a higher pick. Classic 49ers. Mess up on all ends.

A higher pick, so we can draft a guy like Solomon Thomas again? Draft position doesn't matter. You can find Fred Warner, George Kittle, and Raheem Mostert without a top tier pick. Worry about winning at all times. Bill Walsh said it best. "Champions act like champions before they are champions". Not trying in order to help your draft slot is not "acting like champions", its acting like losers who will be picking in the top 10 for years to come.

Your reply lost all credibility after "draft position doesn't matter". It' clearly does.

Typical loser argument. The team isn't bad, they just had a bad season. If they hadn't lost so many starters and their top back-ups to injury they probably walk away with their division this year and are competing for the conference title again. Just bad luck.

Originally posted by 49ers81:
Typical loser argument. The team isn't bad, they just had a bad season. If they hadn't lost so many starters and their top back-ups to injury they probably walk away with their division this year and are competing for the conference title again. Just bad luck.

I think this argument is just sticking your head in the sand to wish away the clear roster problems and using injuries as a crutch instead. Team clearly had issues even from Game 1, particularly at the QB position. The DL is no longer a position of supreme strength even with Bosa (Ford will never be up to form). The secondary is patchwork at best.

Originally posted by stefano89:

Your reply lost all credibility after "draft position doesn't matter". It' clearly does.

Does draft position matter? Sure. Does it matter more than a bunch of other things? Not really. Otherwise the Jaguars, Jets and Texans would be running the league.



In the 49ers case, if they lost out and every other game went in their favor, they were looking at picking 8 or 9 versus 15 or 16. Not that huge a gap in talent. More important is nailing the picks as there will be plenty of talent available throughout the 1st round.

We should still be picking 12-15 area.

On to the Seahawks we go... anybody

Originally posted by sanjo49er:
On to the Seahawks we go... anybody

beat the hawks at all cost

Originally posted by sanjo49er:
On to the Seahawks we go... anybody

If we bring our running game and Beathard keeps hitting Kittle and Aiyuk, we have a chance.

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Typical loser argument. The team isn't bad, they just had a bad season. If they hadn't lost so many starters and their top back-ups to injury they probably walk away with their division this year and are competing for the conference title again. Just bad luck.

So this. Without Mullen's in (and CJ starting) for Washington Philly and Dallas we are 9-6 vs 6-9 and if we had any combination of Jimmy G Kittle Deebo Kwan Williams Sherman Bosa Ford Richburg we easily easily are the 1st seed in the NFC. We could of run over GB again and the Saints played like trash against our backups (even with Brees).

I haven't read ANY of this thread but I just had to get on to say how stupid it was to win that game. Don't care what any of you say about that, just dumb. No reason to win any games at this point when you end up essentially "buying" your way back down in the draft. So pissed they won

Originally posted by raywm3:
I haven't read ANY of this thread but I just had to get on to say how stupid it was to win that game. Don't care what any of you say about that, just dumb. No reason to win any games at this point when you end up essentially "buying" your way back down in the draft. So pissed they won

Its one thing to hope for better draft position, another entirely to expect a team to throw a game. That doesn't actually happen. Any attempt by a coaching staff to do so would risk losing the respect of the players for good. Most of these guys aren't going to have real long careers, they're putting their bodies and health on the line every time they go out there and you actually think they would be cool with throwing a game. And for what? So the team could draft 8th or 9th instead of 15th? Give me a break.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by raywm3:
I haven't read ANY of this thread but I just had to get on to say how stupid it was to win that game. Don't care what any of you say about that, just dumb. No reason to win any games at this point when you end up essentially "buying" your way back down in the draft. So pissed they won

Its one thing to hope for better draft position, another entirely to expect a team to throw a game. That doesn't actually happen. Any attempt by a coaching staff to do so would risk losing the respect of the players for good. Most of these guys aren't going to have real long careers, they're putting their bodies and health on the line every time they go out there and you actually think they would be cool with throwing a game. And for what? So the team could draft 8th or 9th instead of 15th? Give me a break.

No, I get it. I don't expect these guys to lay down, just as a fan I hate it

Originally posted by dhp318:

Originally posted by 49ers81:
Typical loser argument. The team isn't bad, they just had a bad season. If they hadn't lost so many starters and their top back-ups to injury they probably walk away with their division this year and are competing for the conference title again. Just bad luck.

I think this argument is just sticking your head in the sand to wish away the clear roster problems and using injuries as a crutch instead. Team clearly had issues even from Game 1, particularly at the QB position. The DL is no longer a position of supreme strength even with Bosa (Ford will never be up to form). The secondary is patchwork at best.

Sorry, have to disagree. They clearly were not in sync in that first game which I attribute to not having had a typical camp. I don't have the issues with Jimmy that a lot of people do so I will have to disagree on that point. It was tough losing Buckner but if Ford and Bosa are both healthy with the addition of Hyder and Kinlaw that unit is probably still pretty good. Alexander was moved midseason or so which moves Greenlaw into the starting line-up full time which is a plus. Kittle and Samuel were out most of the year and Ayiuk is an upgrade over Pettis and Goodwin and Verrett was better than just about anyone they had there last year. Richburg, Garland Brunskill all out at various times so that they are forced to start Skule at guard. No, I don't think I am the one with their head in the sand,