SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS at ARIZONA CARDINALS - 2020 Week 16

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Typical loser argument. The team isn't bad, they just had a bad season. If they hadn't lost so many starters and their top back-ups to injury they probably walk away with their division this year and are competing for the conference title again. Just bad luck.

So this. Without Mullen's in (and CJ starting) for Washington Philly and Dallas we are 9-6 vs 6-9 and if we had any combination of Jimmy G Kittle Deebo Kwan Williams Sherman Bosa Ford Richburg we easily easily are the 1st seed in the NFC. We could of run over GB again and the Saints played like trash against our backups (even with Brees).

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Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Typical loser argument. The team isn't bad, they just had a bad season. If they hadn't lost so many starters and their top back-ups to injury they probably walk away with their division this year and are competing for the conference title again. Just bad luck.

So this. Without Mullen's in (and CJ starting) for Washington Philly and Dallas we are 9-6 vs 6-9 and if we had any combination of Jimmy G Kittle Deebo Kwan Williams Sherman Bosa Ford Richburg we easily easily are the 1st seed in the NFC. We could of run over GB again and the Saints played like trash against our backups (even with Brees).

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It's science

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by dhp318:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Typical loser argument. The team isn't bad, they just had a bad season. If they hadn't lost so many starters and their top back-ups to injury they probably walk away with their division this year and are competing for the conference title again. Just bad luck.

I think this argument is just sticking your head in the sand to wish away the clear roster problems and using injuries as a crutch instead. Team clearly had issues even from Game 1, particularly at the QB position. The DL is no longer a position of supreme strength even with Bosa (Ford will never be up to form). The secondary is patchwork at best.

Sorry, have to disagree. They clearly were not in sync in that first game which I attribute to not having had a typical camp. I don't have the issues with Jimmy that a lot of people do so I will have to disagree on that point. It was tough losing Buckner but if Ford and Bosa are both healthy with the addition of Hyder and Kinlaw that unit is probably still pretty good. Alexander was moved midseason or so which moves Greenlaw into the starting line-up full time which is a plus. Kittle and Samuel were out most of the year and Ayiuk is an upgrade over Pettis and Goodwin and Verrett was better than just about anyone they had there last year. Richburg, Garland Brunskill all out at various times so that they are forced to start Skule at guard. No, I don't think I am the one with their head in the sand,

Good posts 49ers81. Thought that other post had to be a joke, especially in trying to downplay this team's DL. It's of course a position of big-time strength for this team, especially with Bosa when he returns. Look at how well they still played this year despite all the injuries. Add in Kinlaw looking good with his continued development.

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Typical loser argument. The team isn't bad, they just had a bad season. If they hadn't lost so many starters and their top back-ups to injury they probably walk away with their division this year and are competing for the conference title again. Just bad luck.

So this. Without Mullen's in (and CJ starting) for Washington Philly and Dallas we are 9-6 vs 6-9 and if we had any combination of Jimmy G Kittle Deebo Kwan Williams Sherman Bosa Ford Richburg we easily easily are the 1st seed in the NFC. We could of run over GB again and the Saints played like trash against our backups (even with Brees).

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It's science

I concur.

Originally posted by stefano89:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Nice way to really mess up the draft position. A useless win in a wasted season. Which will only drive our draft position much lower. This team is so bad. We need a higher pick. Classic 49ers. Mess up on all ends.

A higher pick, so we can draft a guy like Solomon Thomas again? Draft position doesn't matter. You can find Fred Warner, George Kittle, and Raheem Mostert without a top tier pick. Worry about winning at all times. Bill Walsh said it best. "Champions act like champions before they are champions". Not trying in order to help your draft slot is not "acting like champions", its acting like losers who will be picking in the top 10 for years to come.

Your reply lost all credibility after "draft position doesn't matter". It' clearly does.

Did it matter when we had our pick of anyone in the draft besides Myles Garrett and we took Solomon Thomas?

We selected Jerry Rice at 16, which is about where we are right now. Would picking 6th have been better?

It makes no sense to lose for a better draft slot. The same loser teams pick in the top 5-7 every year. What does their draft slot get them? When you stop trying, the team knows, and it normalizes a culture of losing. You try your hardest to win every game and let the chips fall where they may.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Did it matter when we had our pick of anyone in the draft besides Myles Garrett and we took Solomon Thomas?

We selected Jerry Rice at 16, which is about where we are right now. Would picking 6th have been better?

It makes no sense to lose for a better draft slot. The same loser teams pick in the top 5-7 every year. What does their draft slot get them? When you stop trying, the team knows, and it normalizes a culture of losing. You try your hardest to win every game and let the chips fall where they may.

If Colin didn't win a pointless game in week 16 we would have picked 1st and took Myles Garrett. If anything you just laid out the case why you want to throw some games. The difference between the #1 prospect and #2 prospect often times is Manning and Leaf. Winning a nothing game so you get the choice of the runts instead of the Golden ticket is foolish.

That being said it doesn't apply here. Shanny beating up on a divisional foe when they needed a win carries more weight than the 8th to 13th pick.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

If Colin didn't win a pointless game in week 16 we would have picked 1st and took Myles Garrett. If anything you just laid out the case why you want to throw some games. The difference between the #1 prospect and #2 prospect often times is Manning and Leaf. Winning a nothing game so you get the choice of the runts instead of the Golden ticket is foolish.

That being said it doesn't apply here. Shanny beating up on a divisional foe when they needed a win carries more weight than the 8th to 13th pick.

This is so true. The biggest and best talents always go in the top 10 which is why it's so essential that you get those picks. Rodgers, Mahomes, Wilson, Watson, Brady. It extends beyond just QBs too. JJ Watt, Aaron Donald, TJ Watt... Even our team, Patrick Willis, Jerry Rice, Montana, Lott... I mean all of our greats came in that top 10.

So you losers just keep talking about mid to late picks and get those guys but I'll keep it safe with my sure fire top 10 like Alex Smith, Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russell, and RGIII.

Originally posted by RedGoldSquatch:

Originally posted by tjd808185:
If Colin didn't win a pointless game in week 16 we would have picked 1st and took Myles Garrett. If anything you just laid out the case why you want to throw some games. The difference between the #1 prospect and #2 prospect often times is Manning and Leaf. Winning a nothing game so you get the choice of the runts instead of the Golden ticket is foolish.

That being said it doesn't apply here. Shanny beating up on a divisional foe when they needed a win carries more weight than the 8th to 13th pick.

This is so true. The biggest and best talents always go in the top 10 which is why it's so essential that you get those picks. Rodgers, Mahomes, Wilson, Watson, Brady. It extends beyond just QBs too. JJ Watt, Aaron Donald, TJ Watt... Even our team, Patrick Willis, Jerry Rice, Montana, Lott... I mean all of our greats came in that top 10.

So you losers just keep talking about mid to late picks and get those guys but I'll keep it safe with my sure fire top 10 like Alex Smith, Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russell, and RGIII.

Willis, Rice and Montana were not top ten picks. Lott was highest at #8.

And I don't believe Rodgers, Wilson, or Brady were top ten. Same for either of the Watts.

Point is with good scouting great talent is there outside the top ten.

Originally posted by RedGoldSquatch:

This is so true. The biggest and best talents always go in the top 10 which is why it's so essential that you get those picks. Rodgers, Mahomes, Wilson, Watson, Brady. It extends beyond just QBs too. JJ Watt, Aaron Donald, TJ Watt... Even our team, Patrick Willis, Jerry Rice, Montana, Lott... I mean all of our greats came in that top 10.

So you losers just keep talking about mid to late picks and get those guys but I'll keep it safe with my sure fire top 10 like Alex Smith, Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russell, and RGIII.

Yup. It's not as strong in football but there's a reason the NBA has a lottery. You're scouting department isn't going to find LeBron. He's a clear once in a lifetime consensus pick. Anyone who thinks teams should be above tanking look around. This discussion is more for the Jets and Jaguars than us but I don't get salty when a fan roots for a loss in a meaningless game. You got break some eggs.

Originally posted by InfiniteEight:

Dude, you're talking about the 49ers as a whole yet conveniently forget that this team is made up of individuals trying to perform for job continuity.

Jeff Wilson - undrafted RB showcased his abilities and will definitely stay with the team or get picked up quick by someone else

Jason Verrett - 2 years not even able to play due to injury. Is going to get a nice contract to return to the 49ers or will get picked up by another team

Kerry Hyder - career high 8.5 sacks; is going to be given a nice contract

Juice - vying for his last big payday showed his versatility as a FB and why he should continue to be highest-paid FB

Robert Saleh - his injury-riddled defense kept a playoff potential team to only 12 points. Is going to have several teams overpay him to be their next head coach

Continue to say what you want, but this win means nothing only to you, Jose, and others that are upset on this win hurting our draft slotting. This win today means the world to many men and their families.

and yet you forget to read where I've said teams don't tank...I root for the players and are happy for them.

Doesn't mean I can't say the win is pretty pointless overall and doesn't help the team as far as the future goes.

Both things can be true.

Not surprised by this result. The Niners roster has been decimated, but many of those that are out there are not only talented, but provide leadership and just don't wanna go out without a fight. The Cards are somewhat overrated, and I believe that starts at the QB position. I lost a bit of respect for ewok on that final cards drive - thought the little turd was faking his 'injury' or at very least certainly wasn't hurt anywhere close to what he showed. Torpedoing a divisional rivals playoff bid only adds a bit more incentive.

As for falling down in the draft/game was meaningless crowd.....it seems most of those people are hell bent on replacing Garoppolo with someone in the draft or another NFL vet.....nothing much has changed. As I posted in the Wilson thread, it's only gonna cost more if Shanahan and Lynch are all in on a guy, and if that's the case, they've pretty much told everyone that they get the players they target. An extra 1st round pick should be meaningless in the grand scheme of things.

Originally posted by 49erfaninPA:

Originally posted by RedGoldSquatch:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

If Colin didn't win a pointless game in week 16 we would have picked 1st and took Myles Garrett. If anything you just laid out the case why you want to throw some games. The difference between the #1 prospect and #2 prospect often times is Manning and Leaf. Winning a nothing game so you get the choice of the runts instead of the Golden ticket is foolish.

That being said it doesn't apply here. Shanny beating up on a divisional foe when they needed a win carries more weight than the 8th to 13th pick.

This is so true. The biggest and best talents always go in the top 10 which is why it's so essential that you get those picks. Rodgers, Mahomes, Wilson, Watson, Brady. It extends beyond just QBs too. JJ Watt, Aaron Donald, TJ Watt... Even our team, Patrick Willis, Jerry Rice, Montana, Lott... I mean all of our greats came in that top 10.

So you losers just keep talking about mid to late picks and get those guys but I'll keep it safe with my sure fire top 10 like Alex Smith, Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russell, and RGIII.

Willis, Rice and Montana were not top ten picks. Lott was highest at #8.

And I don't believe Rodgers, Wilson, or Brady were top ten. Same for either of the Watts.

Point is with good scouting great talent is there outside the top ten.

Whoooosh!

Originally posted by btthepunk:

Originally posted by 49erfaninPA:

Originally posted by RedGoldSquatch:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

If Colin didn't win a pointless game in week 16 we would have picked 1st and took Myles Garrett. If anything you just laid out the case why you want to throw some games. The difference between the #1 prospect and #2 prospect often times is Manning and Leaf. Winning a nothing game so you get the choice of the runts instead of the Golden ticket is foolish.

That being said it doesn't apply here. Shanny beating up on a divisional foe when they needed a win carries more weight than the 8th to 13th pick.

This is so true. The biggest and best talents always go in the top 10 which is why it's so essential that you get those picks. Rodgers, Mahomes, Wilson, Watson, Brady. It extends beyond just QBs too. JJ Watt, Aaron Donald, TJ Watt... Even our team, Patrick Willis, Jerry Rice, Montana, Lott... I mean all of our greats came in that top 10.

So you losers just keep talking about mid to late picks and get those guys but I'll keep it safe with my sure fire top 10 like Alex Smith, Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russell, and RGIII.

Willis, Rice and Montana were not top ten picks. Lott was highest at #8.

And I don't believe Rodgers, Wilson, or Brady were top ten. Same for either of the Watts.

Point is with good scouting great talent is there outside the top ten.

Whoooosh!

Meh. Just because TJ Watt was there later doesn't mean I'd want a meaningless win costing you the superior can't miss pick in Garrett. Chances are your scouting department will be wrong and take Solly because who knows why.

Originally posted by 49erfaninPA:

Willis, Rice and Montana were not top ten picks. Lott was highest at #8.

And I don't believe Rodgers, Wilson, or Brady were top ten. Same for either of the Watts.

Point is with good scouting great talent is there outside the top ten.

Originally posted by 49erfaninPA:

Originally posted by RedGoldSquatch:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

If Colin didn't win a pointless game in week 16 we would have picked 1st and took Myles Garrett. If anything you just laid out the case why you want to throw some games. The difference between the #1 prospect and #2 prospect often times is Manning and Leaf. Winning a nothing game so you get the choice of the runts instead of the Golden ticket is foolish.

That being said it doesn't apply here. Shanny beating up on a divisional foe when they needed a win carries more weight than the 8th to 13th pick.

This is so true. The biggest and best talents always go in the top 10 which is why it's so essential that you get those picks. Rodgers, Mahomes, Wilson, Watson, Brady. It extends beyond just QBs too. JJ Watt, Aaron Donald, TJ Watt... Even our team, Patrick Willis, Jerry Rice, Montana, Lott... I mean all of our greats came in that top 10.

So you losers just keep talking about mid to late picks and get those guys but I'll keep it safe with my sure fire top 10 like Alex Smith, Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russell, and RGIII.

Willis, Rice and Montana were not top ten picks. Lott was highest at #8.

And I don't believe Rodgers, Wilson, or Brady were top ten. Same for either of the Watts.

Point is with good scouting great talent is there outside the top ten.

My bad, forgot my sarcasm font. This was, in fact, my point

Originally posted by RedGoldSquatch:
My bad, forgot my sarcasm font. This was, in fact, my point

That's okay. It was obvious you were being sarcastic to most of us. Any fan would know that those greats were all taken way past the top ten and the top 10 guys were busts.