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Originally posted by Niner_lobo:
Shanahan and Lynch really fudged up the 2017 draft. If we hit 1 of the first 2 round we are champions most likely in 2019. The Thomas and Foster picks are complete garbage. It will alway be easy looking back but the Bears at least tried to draft a QB. We had our pass on Rodgers moment again, but it was worse with Mahomes beating us.

We drafted a future HOFer in 2017. That alone puts a big old leak in your bucket.

I am going to upstage you here. I have been pissed since 2000 when we missed on Tom Brady and drafted Giovanni Carmazzi who is managing goats now. Point is this....it doesnt matter who you draft unless they fit in your system and you have good coaching and ownership behind them etc. If we would have drafted Brady or Rogers it would have been a s**t show because we didn't have the right coaching stability and ownership was far to naïve and immature. Fast foward to Patrick Mahomes there was no guarantee on him coming out of the draft. Word out of the Chiefs was that he was a project. Going into his second year exceeded their expectations which prompted them to trade A.Smith.
Overall point is you draft to fit your system and do not let personal feelings get in the way, and you don't take chances in rounds 1-3 because those pics are starters. Lynch's first year did both of those. He drafted Thomas and Foster, both an emotional pick and a risk. If I was in his shoes in my first draft I would have drafted someone I had a history with in Thomas versus a project in Mahomes and a risk with high upside in Foster in my first draft because you never know.

Originally posted by MarkD:

I am going to upstage you here. I have been pissed since 2000 when we missed on Tom Brady and drafted Giovanni Carmazzi who is managing goats now. Point is this....it doesnt matter who you draft unless they fit in your system and you have good coaching and ownership behind them etc. If we would have drafted Brady or Rogers it would have been a s**t show because we didn't have the right coaching stability and ownership was far to naïve and immature. Fast foward to Patrick Mahomes there was no guarantee on him coming out of the draft. Word out of the Chiefs was that he was a project. Going into his second year exceeded their expectations which prompted them to trade A.Smith.
Overall point is you draft to fit your system and do not let personal feelings get in the way, and you don't take chances in rounds 1-3 because those pics are starters. Lynch's first year did both of those. He drafted Thomas and Foster, both an emotional pick and a risk. If I was in his shoes in my first draft I would have drafted someone I had a history with in Thomas versus a project in Mahomes and a risk with high upside in Foster in my first draft because you never know.

5 guesses as to who in the organization wanted Gio drafted.

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

Originally posted by MarkD:
I am going to upstage you here. I have been pissed since 2000 when we missed on Tom Brady and drafted Giovanni Carmazzi who is managing goats now. Point is this....it doesnt matter who you draft unless they fit in your system and you have good coaching and ownership behind them etc. If we would have drafted Brady or Rogers it would have been a s**t show because we didn't have the right coaching stability and ownership was far to naïve and immature. Fast foward to Patrick Mahomes there was no guarantee on him coming out of the draft. Word out of the Chiefs was that he was a project. Going into his second year exceeded their expectations which prompted them to trade A.Smith.
Overall point is you draft to fit your system and do not let personal feelings get in the way, and you don't take chances in rounds 1-3 because those pics are starters. Lynch's first year did both of those. He drafted Thomas and Foster, both an emotional pick and a risk. If I was in his shoes in my first draft I would have drafted someone I had a history with in Thomas versus a project in Mahomes and a risk with high upside in Foster in my first draft because you never know.

5 guesses as to who in the organization wanted Gio drafted.

Walsh

Originally posted by MarkD:

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

Originally posted by MarkD:
I am going to upstage you here. I have been pissed since 2000 when we missed on Tom Brady and drafted Giovanni Carmazzi who is managing goats now. Point is this....it doesnt matter who you draft unless they fit in your system and you have good coaching and ownership behind them etc. If we would have drafted Brady or Rogers it would have been a s**t show because we didn't have the right coaching stability and ownership was far to naïve and immature. Fast foward to Patrick Mahomes there was no guarantee on him coming out of the draft. Word out of the Chiefs was that he was a project. Going into his second year exceeded their expectations which prompted them to trade A.Smith.
Overall point is you draft to fit your system and do not let personal feelings get in the way, and you don't take chances in rounds 1-3 because those pics are starters. Lynch's first year did both of those. He drafted Thomas and Foster, both an emotional pick and a risk. If I was in his shoes in my first draft I would have drafted someone I had a history with in Thomas versus a project in Mahomes and a risk with high upside in Foster in my first draft because you never know.

5 guesses as to who in the organization wanted Gio drafted.

Walsh

Ya, that Walsh was terrible at evaluating players. He had a big swing and miss with Nehemia too. Back in those days, the team was so good and deep that they could afford taking chances. Now you have to be more selective.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by MarkD:

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

Originally posted by MarkD:
I am going to upstage you here. I have been pissed since 2000 when we missed on Tom Brady and drafted Giovanni Carmazzi who is managing goats now. Point is this....it doesnt matter who you draft unless they fit in your system and you have good coaching and ownership behind them etc. If we would have drafted Brady or Rogers it would have been a s**t show because we didn't have the right coaching stability and ownership was far to naïve and immature. Fast foward to Patrick Mahomes there was no guarantee on him coming out of the draft. Word out of the Chiefs was that he was a project. Going into his second year exceeded their expectations which prompted them to trade A.Smith.
Overall point is you draft to fit your system and do not let personal feelings get in the way, and you don't take chances in rounds 1-3 because those pics are starters. Lynch's first year did both of those. He drafted Thomas and Foster, both an emotional pick and a risk. If I was in his shoes in my first draft I would have drafted someone I had a history with in Thomas versus a project in Mahomes and a risk with high upside in Foster in my first draft because you never know.

5 guesses as to who in the organization wanted Gio drafted.

Walsh

Ya, that Walsh was terrible at evaluating players. He had a big swing and miss with Nehemia too. Back in those days, the team was so good and deep that they could afford taking chances. Now you have to be more selective.

Didn't have salary cap to etc etc

Originally posted by Niner_lobo:

Shanahan and Lynch really fudged up the 2017 draft. If we hit 1 of the first 2 round we are champions most likely in 2019. The Thomas and Foster picks are complete garbage. It will alway be easy looking back but the Bears at least tried to draft a QB. We had our pass on Rodgers moment again, but it was worse with Mahomes beating us.

Now do the other 31 teams...

Originally posted by Niner_lobo:
BTW I feel haunted by State Farm for the rest of my life.

Why did they replace Rodgers State farm agent in the 1st place??

Originally posted by Niner_lobo:

Shanahan and Lynch really fudged up the 2017 draft. If we hit 1 of the first 2 round we are champions most likely in 2019. The Thomas and Foster picks are complete garbage. It will alway be easy looking back but the Bears at least tried to draft a QB. We had our pass on Rodgers moment again, but it was worse with Mahomes beating us.

While they've struggled through their drafts, you can't blame them (or anyone really) from passing on Mahomes, a developmental project who didn't win in college.

The Foster move wasn't a bad one - the problem was throwing him into an immediate and undeserved leadership role, while throwing Bow to the curb.

Originally posted by kansasninerfan:

We drafted a future HOFer in 2017. That alone puts a big old leak in your bucket.

It's a stretch to give them much credit for the Kittle pick. Shanny has admitted when he decided to unnecessarily move up for Beathard and then again for Williams, he fully expected to miss out on Kittle - and was comfortable with his decision.

Let's take this convo over to the appropriate Lynch or Shanahan threads.