A question that puzzles the mind and has generated great angst in our breast

hell yeah another QB thread

Yes

I am just here hoping to find out which posters will be turning heel and which will be turning faces this off-season.

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Come on we all who is the greatest 49ers QB of all time.

That other Steve … Bono

I use to Love watching this guy play, just so I could holler
"Bo' Know", every time he completed a pass

Originally posted by dangerbird:

Give me the athleticism of Kaepernick, the mind of Alex Smith, and the heart of Shaun Hill...or just give me Tim Rattay

Kap was faster but Steve Young was more elusive.

Originally posted by evil:

I am just here hoping to find out which posters will be turning heel and which will be turning faces this off-season.

Lmao

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by dangerbird:

Give me the athleticism of Kaepernick, the mind of Alex Smith, and the heart of Shaun Hill...or just give me Tim Rattay

Kap was faster but Steve Young was more elusive.

Damn it I just thought about Steve in Kyle's offense again in our dreams....

Originally posted by 91til:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by dangerbird:
Give me the athleticism of Kaepernick, the mind of Alex Smith, and the heart of Shaun Hill...or just give me Tim Rattay

Kap was faster but Steve Young was more elusive.

Damn it I just thought about Steve in Kyle's offense again in our dreams....

I damn near soiled my shorts with the thought of it.
Unfortunately, The Glinch would be protecting his 'Blind Side'
At least Jimmy, Mullens, or CJ, could see the hurt coming' ...

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:
A great 49er QB?

1) Intelligence, decision making
2) Anticipation
3) Vision and awareness - Seeing the field as one entity when . Not just trying to just execute the given play. Parallel processing...Aware what the defense is doing during the play at the same time as the opposing offense. Everything happening at once.
4) Mobility - Can't always rely on the OLine to give you time
5) Accuracy
6) Timing

Bill Walsh would say:

1) Footwork
2) Footwork
3) Footwork
4) Footwork
5) Footwork
6) Footwork

If you build good footwork

the rest will come. In time.

http://smartfootball.com/quarterbacking/bill-walsh-and-joe-montana-on-the-fundamentals-of-quarterbacking

Walsh's progression of teaching is the same one I have long used and advocated:

1. Before they can throw, quarterbacks have to learn to make good drops. I'll make them take drops for 50 yards until they learn to do it and I'll let them throw.

2. Then we work on 3-step concepts, hitch, slant, and the fade. Use the Airraid Pat And Go drill.

3. Then when you begin working on the five-step drops (three-steps from shotgun), the first routes you work on are the 10-12 yard speed out (6 vertical steps to 10 yards and then two "roll" or speed steps to the sideline at 12 yards), the five-step skinny post and the vertical "Go" route. Each is thrown off of 5-steps (or three from gun) on rhythm — i.e. once the fifth step hits it is "plant and throw" and there is no hitch up step. I do these first because it teaches the quarterback rhythm, timing, footwork, and how to transfer his weight on drops to his throw. And you quickly find out who can do it: If a quarterback can't throw these routes on rhythm, he can't be the quarterback in a pass first offense. In high school if a guy can't make the 12 yard speed out throw to the wide side that's okay, but he should be able to throw the skinny post to the wide side and the speed out to the boundary.

4. The five-steps and hitch step come in on the next set of routes, which in a quarterback's progression should be the second read — the quarterback's reads sync up with his feet. These routes are the 12-yard curl, snag routes, and so on.

Once these fundamentals are in, you keep working on them throughout the season as you pull him along Boise State's Chris Petersen's stages of quarterback development:

• Strict progression. Tell him to read first receiver, second receiver, and then third receiver — and then run like hell if they aren't open. In Petersen's view, if they don't know anything else they can know, by rote memory, who they are supposed to throw to. This doesn't require them to have any advance knowledge of the defense and it is where every quarterback begins.
• Progression with coverage keys. The same progression concept as above except that the progression and sequence of receivers is determined by what the defense is doing. How many safeties are there? What kind of leverage are you getting from the cornerbacks? Is it a blitz? Is it man or zone? Once you've determined that, it's one-two-three.
• Coverage reads. This is the advanced NFL stuff: Tom Brady sees the defense doing X, so he looks one way and then rifles it back to the receiver he always knew he was going to because he understood the coverage, he understood the technique the defense was playing, and he understood the theory of the play he was running. There are few, if any, college quarterbacks who ever do this kind of thing.

I'm not an expert myself, I barely saw what a great Niners QB looks like. My earliest memory of watching the Niners was when we destroyed the Chargers in the SB as a 6 year old. I spent elementary and jr. high years just taking Steve for granted. He always came thru, even when his team around him didn't (losing to Favre repeatedly pissed little me off).

Based on that, the only answer I can give is that a great QB is someone that can be relied upon to be at least good week in week out. Steve was that, if he was playing it was just a given that he was gonna put in work. Every now and then a great QB has a bad game, but those are few and far between. When it comes to Jimmy, he shows flashes but he's missing the element of consistency. If he played like he did against the Saints and first Cardinals game last year 90 percent of the time, and also was reliably healthy enough to play, he'd be on that trajectory. That's who I thought he was going to be when we first got him. Maybe we give it one more chance next year and he can come through? We'll see.

A great QB is a good leader, plays at high level consistently, and most importantly is reliably dynamic when his team needs him to be—as in, plays hot enough to overcome shortcomings in big moments. Availability issues notwithstanding, Jimmy is 2 of those 3. The sticking point seems to be on point 3, and whether that dynamism is something the team "needs" in order to win a super bowl

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by evil:

I am just here hoping to find out which posters will be turning heel and which will be turning faces this off-season.

Lmao

I predict thl will pull a Goldberg heel turn...where it lasts one week and then is never remembered again.


NC will be a Bret Hart, back and forth one week is heels next week isn't.

Goatie will be a Rock heel turn and be epic when it happens.

Originally posted by wysiwyg:

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:
A great 49er QB?

1) Intelligence, decision making
2) Anticipation
3) Vision and awareness - Seeing the field as one entity when . Not just trying to just execute the given play. Parallel processing...Aware what the defense is doing during the play at the same time as the opposing offense. Everything happening at once.
4) Mobility - Can't always rely on the OLine to give you time
5) Accuracy
6) Timing

Bill Walsh would say:

1) Footwork
2) Footwork
3) Footwork
4) Footwork
5) Footwork
6) Footwork

If you build good footwork

the rest will come. In time.

http://smartfootball.com/quarterbacking/bill-walsh-and-joe-montana-on-the-fundamentals-of-quarterbacking

Walsh's progression of teaching is the same one I have long used and advocated:

1. Before they can throw, quarterbacks have to learn to make good drops. I'll make them take drops for 50 yards until they learn to do it and I'll let them throw.

2. Then we work on 3-step concepts, hitch, slant, and the fade. Use the Airraid Pat And Go drill.

3. Then when you begin working on the five-step drops (three-steps from shotgun), the first routes you work on are the 10-12 yard speed out (6 vertical steps to 10 yards and then two "roll" or speed steps to the sideline at 12 yards), the five-step skinny post and the vertical "Go" route. Each is thrown off of 5-steps (or three from gun) on rhythm — i.e. once the fifth step hits it is "plant and throw" and there is no hitch up step. I do these first because it teaches the quarterback rhythm, timing, footwork, and how to transfer his weight on drops to his throw. And you quickly find out who can do it: If a quarterback can't throw these routes on rhythm, he can't be the quarterback in a pass first offense. In high school if a guy can't make the 12 yard speed out throw to the wide side that's okay, but he should be able to throw the skinny post to the wide side and the speed out to the boundary.

4. The five-steps and hitch step come in on the next set of routes, which in a quarterback's progression should be the second read — the quarterback's reads sync up with his feet. These routes are the 12-yard curl, snag routes, and so on.

Once these fundamentals are in, you keep working on them throughout the season as you pull him along Boise State's Chris Petersen's stages of quarterback development:

• Strict progression. Tell him to read first receiver, second receiver, and then third receiver — and then run like hell if they aren't open. In Petersen's view, if they don't know anything else they can know, by rote memory, who they are supposed to throw to. This doesn't require them to have any advance knowledge of the defense and it is where every quarterback begins.
• Progression with coverage keys. The same progression concept as above except that the progression and sequence of receivers is determined by what the defense is doing. How many safeties are there? What kind of leverage are you getting from the cornerbacks? Is it a blitz? Is it man or zone? Once you've determined that, it's one-two-three.
• Coverage reads. This is the advanced NFL stuff: Tom Brady sees the defense doing X, so he looks one way and then rifles it back to the receiver he always knew he was going to because he understood the coverage, he understood the technique the defense was playing, and he understood the theory of the play he was running. There are few, if any, college quarterbacks who ever do this kind of thing.

Don't forget this story as told by Ronnie Lott. Walsh told Lott: "Looks at Joe' feet, they're Beautiful" ...

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by evil:
I am just here hoping to find out which posters will be turning heel and which will be turning faces this off-season.

Lmao

I predict thl will pull a Goldberg heel turn...where it lasts one week and then is never remembered again.

NC will be a Bret Hart, back and forth one week is heels next week isn't.

Goatie will be a Rock heel turn and be epic when it happens.