A question that puzzles the mind and has generated great angst in our breast

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Here are a few of my requirements.

1. Elite arm. This includes excellent mechanics on normal throws and the ability to make off platform ones
(and don't tell me Joe and Steve didn't have elite arms, cause they did. Just cause they weren't Dan Marino or Brett Favre doesn't mean they didn't have elite arms. Their accuracy was practically unmatched, and there wasn't a throw they couldn't make, at every level and at every patch of grass on the field).

2. Elite field vision/anticipation (the latter depends directly on the former). Not just in seeing the coverage, but the pass rush, too. Movement in the pocket is tied to this.

3. Elite processing speed.

4. Zero fear, including of the pass rush and the moment.

5. Elite football intelligence, including staying in control in moments of chaos.

6. Natural leader.

7. Supreme dedication to the craft.

I think Jimmy hits on Number 6. That's about it.

Not exactly sure, and someone here might clarify it for me but I think the messiah is a little busy at the moment.

None of our great QBs came onto this team and became great in 2 years. Montana and Young took time and development. A healthy development and not in one year and out the next.

Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Here are a few of my requirements.

1. Elite arm. This includes excellent mechanics on normal throws and the ability to make off platform ones
(and don't tell me Joe and Steve didn't have elite arms, cause they did. Just cause they weren't Dan Marino or Brett Favre doesn't mean they didn't have elite arms. Their accuracy was practically unmatched, and there wasn't a throw they couldn't make, at every level and at every patch of grass on the field).

2. Elite field vision/anticipation (the latter depends directly on the former). Not just in seeing the coverage, but the pass rush, too. Movement in the pocket is tied to this.

3. Elite processing speed.

4. Zero fear, including of the pass rush and the moment.

5. Elite football intelligence, including staying in control in moments of chaos.

6. Natural leader.

7. Supreme dedication to the craft.

I think Jimmy hits on Number 6. That's about it.

Not exactly sure, and someone here might clarify it for me but I think the messiah is a little busy at the moment.

What do you mean? Great QBs are rare, but there have been many who hit all of these criteria — two of whom we passed on when given the opportunity to draft them.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
What do you mean? Great QBs are rare, but there have been many who hit all of these criteria — two of whom we passed on when given the opportunity to draft them.

Ironically I made similar comments.

So ShanaLynch had their man when these draft picks and Brady came up and 20/20 hind sight is a beautiful thing.

Do you think they make the same scouting mistake again?

Your item 6 is a huge intangible and the play caller should be on your list even though we already have a good one.

No doubt JG is a broken QB and it is time for a good replacement to be developed.

Maybe your list is in the scouts check list and we get one this draft but anything less than the Texans QB in trades/FA would be a backward step imo.

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Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
What do you mean? Great QBs are rare, but there have been many who hit all of these criteria — two of whom we passed on when given the opportunity to draft them.

Ironically I made similar comments.

So ShanaLynch had their man when these draft picks and Brady came up and 20/20 hind sight is a beautiful thing.

Do you think they make the same scouting mistake again?

Your item 6 is a huge intangible and the play caller should be on your list even though we already have a good one.

No doubt JG is a broken QB and it is time for a good replacement to be developed.

Maybe your list is in the scouts check list and we get one this draft but anything less than the Texans QB in trades/FA would be a backward step imo.

Jimmy never had an elite arm or mechanics even when he was healthy.

Play callers aren't the QB, so that's why I didn't include it.

And yeah, I think they'll make the same mistake again. BTW no hindsight was necessary to see that Brady was better than Garoppolo in 2019. The only question was if he was worth it given that he had two years max. But anyone who thought Garoppolo was as good as Brady in 2019 needs to take off their homer glasses.

Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
What do you mean? Great QBs are rare, but there have been many who hit all of these criteria — two of whom we passed on when given the opportunity to draft them.

Ironically I made similar comments.

So ShanaLynch had their man when these draft picks and Brady came up and 20/20 hind sight is a beautiful thing.

Do you think they make the same scouting mistake again?

Your item 6 is a huge intangible and the play caller should be on your list even though we already have a good one.

No doubt JG is a broken QB and it is time for a good replacement to be developed.

Maybe your list is in the scouts check list and we get one this draft but anything less than the Texans QB in trades/FA would be a backward step imo.

Devils advocate, how do we know Watson is, "great"?

He hasn't win anything, hasn't been doing it year after year for a while.

That's kind of like saying Cam Newton is great. He had some great seasons but can we really say Cam was great?

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
What do you mean? Great QBs are rare, but there have been many who hit all of these criteria — two of whom we passed on when given the opportunity to draft them.

Ironically I made similar comments.

So ShanaLynch had their man when these draft picks and Brady came up and 20/20 hind sight is a beautiful thing.

Do you think they make the same scouting mistake again?

Your item 6 is a huge intangible and the play caller should be on your list even though we already have a good one.

No doubt JG is a broken QB and it is time for a good replacement to be developed.

Maybe your list is in the scouts check list and we get one this draft but anything less than the Texans QB in trades/FA would be a backward step imo.

Devils advocate, how do we know Watson is, "great"?

He hasn't win anything, hasn't been doing it year after year for a while.

That's kind of like saying Cam Newton is great. He had some great seasons but can we really say Cam was great?

Cam won an MVP. With thatt logic, Marino wasn't that good bc he never won a SB.

And for someone who breaks down film, you really need an answer to your Watson question...?

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
What do you mean? Great QBs are rare, but there have been many who hit all of these criteria — two of whom we passed on when given the opportunity to draft them.

Ironically I made similar comments.

So ShanaLynch had their man when these draft picks and Brady came up and 20/20 hind sight is a beautiful thing.

Do you think they make the same scouting mistake again?

Your item 6 is a huge intangible and the play caller should be on your list even though we already have a good one.

No doubt JG is a broken QB and it is time for a good replacement to be developed.

Maybe your list is in the scouts check list and we get one this draft but anything less than the Texans QB in trades/FA would be a backward step imo.

Devils advocate, how do we know Watson is, "great"?

He hasn't win anything, hasn't been doing it year after year for a while.

That's kind of like saying Cam Newton is great. He had some great seasons but can we really say Cam was great?

Cam won an MVP. With thatt logic, Marino wasn't that good bc he never won a SB.

And for someone who breaks down film, you really need an answer to your Watson question...?

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Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
What do you mean? Great QBs are rare, but there have been many who hit all of these criteria — two of whom we passed on when given the opportunity to draft them.

Ironically I made similar comments.

So ShanaLynch had their man when these draft picks and Brady came up and 20/20 hind sight is a beautiful thing.

Do you think they make the same scouting mistake again?

Your item 6 is a huge intangible and the play caller should be on your list even though we already have a good one.

No doubt JG is a broken QB and it is time for a good replacement to be developed.

Maybe your list is in the scouts check list and we get one this draft but anything less than the Texans QB in trades/FA would be a backward step imo.

Devils advocate, how do we know Watson is, "great"?

He hasn't win anything, hasn't been doing it year after year for a while.

That's kind of like saying Cam Newton is great. He had some great seasons but can we really say Cam was great?

Cam won an MVP. With thatt logic, Marino wasn't that good bc he never won a SB.

And for someone who breaks down film, you really need an answer to your Watson question...?

This is sarcasm, right?

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
What do you mean? Great QBs are rare, but there have been many who hit all of these criteria — two of whom we passed on when given the opportunity to draft them.

Ironically I made similar comments.

So ShanaLynch had their man when these draft picks and Brady came up and 20/20 hind sight is a beautiful thing.

Do you think they make the same scouting mistake again?

Your item 6 is a huge intangible and the play caller should be on your list even though we already have a good one.

No doubt JG is a broken QB and it is time for a good replacement to be developed.

Maybe your list is in the scouts check list and we get one this draft but anything less than the Texans QB in trades/FA would be a backward step imo.

Devils advocate, how do we know Watson is, "great"?

He hasn't win anything, hasn't been doing it year after year for a while.

That's kind of like saying Cam Newton is great. He had some great seasons but can we really say Cam was great?

Because

1. He has an elite arm

2. He has elite field vision/anticipation

3. He has elite processing speed

4. He has zero fear, including of the pass rush and the moment (funny thing, he showed this in college in the National Championship too - which btw, he WON, so therefore he has indeed won something)

5. He has elite football intelligence, including staying in control in moments of chaos; notably in the playoffs a couple years ago

6. He's a natural leader. Go ahead and say leaders don't hold out. And then remember that Jerry Rice did it for 37 days, Phillip Rivers did it (universally respected leader), Emmitt Smith did it, Brett Favre did it (in solidarity with Javon Walker), and on and on.

7. He is supremely dedicated to the craft

And to top it off he's put up phenomenal, elite production, and has elite athleticism.

Why don't you take the time you use to make apologist videos for Jimmy to study Watson?

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
What do you mean? Great QBs are rare, but there have been many who hit all of these criteria — two of whom we passed on when given the opportunity to draft them.

Ironically I made similar comments.

So ShanaLynch had their man when these draft picks and Brady came up and 20/20 hind sight is a beautiful thing.

Do you think they make the same scouting mistake again?

Your item 6 is a huge intangible and the play caller should be on your list even though we already have a good one.

No doubt JG is a broken QB and it is time for a good replacement to be developed.

Maybe your list is in the scouts check list and we get one this draft but anything less than the Texans QB in trades/FA would be a backward step imo.

Devils advocate, how do we know Watson is, "great"?

He hasn't win anything, hasn't been doing it year after year for a while.

That's kind of like saying Cam Newton is great. He had some great seasons but can we really say Cam was great?

Because

1. He has an elite arm

2. He has elite field vision/anticipation

3. He has elite processing speed

4. He has zero fear, including of the pass rush and the moment (funny thing, he showed this in college in the National Championship too - which btw, he WON, so therefore he has indeed won something)

5. He has elite football intelligence, including staying in control in moments of chaos; notably in the playoffs a couple years ago

6. He's a natural leader. Go ahead and say leaders don't hold out. And then remember that Jerry Rice did it for 37 days, Phillip Rivers did it (universally respected leader), Emmitt Smith did it, Brett Favre did it (in solidarity with Javon Walker), and on and on.

7. He is supremely dedicated to the craft

And to top it off he's put up phenomenal, elite production, and has elite athleticism.

Why don't you take the time you use to make apologist videos for Jimmy to study Watson?

All that above doesn't really matter, Kyle doesn't want Watson. If he did, he'd be a 49er already.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
What do you mean? Great QBs are rare, but there have been many who hit all of these criteria — two of whom we passed on when given the opportunity to draft them.

Ironically I made similar comments.

So ShanaLynch had their man when these draft picks and Brady came up and 20/20 hind sight is a beautiful thing.

Do you think they make the same scouting mistake again?

Your item 6 is a huge intangible and the play caller should be on your list even though we already have a good one.

No doubt JG is a broken QB and it is time for a good replacement to be developed.

Maybe your list is in the scouts check list and we get one this draft but anything less than the Texans QB in trades/FA would be a backward step imo.

Devils advocate, how do we know Watson is, "great"?

He hasn't win anything, hasn't been doing it year after year for a while.

That's kind of like saying Cam Newton is great. He had some great seasons but can we really say Cam was great?

Because

1. He has an elite arm

2. He has elite field vision/anticipation

3. He has elite processing speed

4. He has zero fear, including of the pass rush and the moment (funny thing, he showed this in college in the National Championship too - which btw, he WON, so therefore he has indeed won something)

5. He has elite football intelligence, including staying in control in moments of chaos; notably in the playoffs a couple years ago

6. He's a natural leader. Go ahead and say leaders don't hold out. And then remember that Jerry Rice did it for 37 days, Phillip Rivers did it (universally respected leader), Emmitt Smith did it, Brett Favre did it (in solidarity with Javon Walker), and on and on.

7. He is supremely dedicated to the craft

And to top it off he's put up phenomenal, elite production, and has elite athleticism.

Why don't you take the time you use to make apologist videos for Jimmy to study Watson?

All that above doesn't really matter, Kyle doesn't want Watson. If he did, he'd be a 49er already.

Not necessarily. It could be he didn't want him because Kyle didn't do his due diligence because his plan was Cousins.

There's no doubt Watson's by far the best talent that may be available. I say may because if it's true the Texans would indeed expect 2 no 1's, 2 no. 2's and 2 starters, I don't see the Niners making that deal. If I'm Houston, the 2 starters I'd want would arguably be Bosa and Warner. That dog just won't hunt. I think the Jets or possibly Miami are the two teams that might be willing and able to make such a deal. Jags won't because unless the sky falls they're taking Lawrence. I get how pissed Deshaun is over what he's seen of the Texans so far...however, new GM and HC could sway him to stick around if their plan: 1) makes sense and 2) is executable. We'll see. At any rate, I wouldn't expect the Niners to give up as much as Houston purportedly wants to get Watson.

Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
There's no doubt Watson's by far the best talent that may be available. I say may because if it's true the Texans would indeed expect 2 no 1's, 2 no. 2's and 2 starters, I don't see the Niners making that deal. If I'm Houston, the 2 starters I'd want would arguably be Bosa and Warner. That dog just won't hunt. I think the Jets or possibly Miami are the two teams that might be willing and able to make such a deal. Jags won't because unless the sky falls they're taking Lawrence. I get how pissed Deshaun is over what he's seen of the Texans so far...however, new GM and HC could sway him to stick around if their plan: 1) makes sense and 2) is executable. We'll see. At any rate, I wouldn't expect the Niners to give up as much as Houston purportedly wants to get Watson.

corrctamundo!!!