2021 Team Information (Needs)

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
He redid his deal, awaiting details, they likely saved between $5M-$10M.

Well, that's something, but still...ouch. I would love to see him come back, but hx is against him. I assume that means he DID pass a physical? The problem is that if he is a "possible" that means there is some hope he can come back...but if not, he is not only eating cap, we are missing our ER. And that is twice as much pain. He either has them over a barrel OR, there really is hope he returns. Saving $5-10Mil....maybe that was the "meet in the middle " answer?

I didn't hear that he passed a physical. I heard they did some restructuring because he isn't able to pass a physical.

Yeah most likely due to him not being able to pass a physical, so they did a restructure, hoping it was more of a pay cut.

That was really the question AB, but just said a bit differently. Interesting about NOT being able to pass the physical...so he stays with less money. That is a semi- win for us, i guess...but we'll take it. Better than it was. Still we are paying for a guy not out there and the position is EDGE. That is the painful part.

Its interesting that the injury guarantee clause was in there. It looks almost like he was able to predict (prior to signing with the 49ers) that he'll need that clause. Maybe its a standard guarantee clause, maybe not, but I just find it interesting that its there just when he needed it the most.

My gut tells me that Ford knew his health was going to be an issue, and ShanaLynch didnt really understand the importance of health in franchise player yet, and I think Dee Ford and Fat Andy took advantage of them.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
He redid his deal, awaiting details, they likely saved between $5M-$10M.

Well, that's something, but still...ouch. I would love to see him come back, but hx is against him. I assume that means he DID pass a physical? The problem is that if he is a "possible" that means there is some hope he can come back...but if not, he is not only eating cap, we are missing our ER. And that is twice as much pain. He either has them over a barrel OR, there really is hope he returns. Saving $5-10Mil....maybe that was the "meet in the middle " answer?

I didn't hear that he passed a physical. I heard they did some restructuring because he isn't able to pass a physical.

Yeah most likely due to him not being able to pass a physical, so they did a restructure, hoping it was more of a pay cut.

That was really the question AB, but just said a bit differently. Interesting about NOT being able to pass the physical...so he stays with less money. That is a semi- win for us, i guess...but we'll take it. Better than it was. Still we are paying for a guy not out there and the position is EDGE. That is the painful part.

Its interesting that the injury guarantee clause was in there. It looks almost like he was able to predict (prior to signing with the 49ers) that he'll need that clause. Maybe its a standard guarantee clause, maybe not, but I just find it interesting that its there just when he needed it the most.

My gut tells me that Ford knew his health was going to be an issue, and ShanaLynch didnt really understand the importance of health in franchise player yet, and I think Dee Ford and Fat Andy took advantage of them.

It's a standard practice in a lot of contracts, 49ers are just one of a number of teams who guarantee base salaries for injury, and then fully on a certain date, Minnesota does it, only they do it at the beginning of the new league year, we do it for April 1. It has nothing to do with Dee's injury history, or anything with Andy Reid, it's just how they structured the deal. Kittle has these in his deal, only in the deal his base salary is GTD for injury, and gets GTD fully on April 1 of the previous season, so 2024 would be GTD on April 1 2023. Kinda like how Trent's option for 2024-2026 needs to be picked up by April 1, 2023, and if exercised he gets $10M GTD, not an injury thing though. Juice I think has it in his new deal, really just standard practice nowadays, nothing new or unusual about it. We've been doing it since the 2010s, even Bowman and Willis, Staley, Gore, and others of our bigger names, Justin Smith, etc.. all had injury guaranteed, that GTD fully on April 1 of the specific year.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by ChaunceyGardner:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Where are we at peeps for FA/Draft?

Team Needs: QB, IOL (C & RG), CB, ER (Speed), XWR (Speed), T (Future), SS, TE2, SWR, ST (Returner)
Draft Position Rankings: QB, OL, WR, Off-Ball LB, DL, CB, RB, TE & S (per Richard Shiro A/P)

Starter Needs: SS, DE

Backup Needs: RCB, LCB, Slot CB, PS CB x 2, SS, FS, G, RT, C, LT, TE, F receiver, Hback, RB, QB, 3T, DE, XWR, ZWR, Slot WR, FB, ST's core players/gunners, K, P

That's a great way of looking at it. Starter vs. Depth need.

Wow....that is a lot of depth needs though.

As of now the way I see it is as follows...

Starter needs are: RG, Slot CB and SS.
I believe Brunskill's true value is in his versatility and ideally he would be the number 1 backup to come in should someone get hurt. I don't completely mind the Ward + Moore/Harris pairing at Safety but I think it needs an upgrade.

Primary focus for depth players: QB, #3 WR, #2 TE, EDGE, CB. Mostly cause we have starters at these positions with a track record of missing time, in particular Jimmy, Kittle and Verrett.

Originally posted by Shifty:
As of now the way I see it is as follows...

Starter needs are: RG, Slot CB and SS.
I believe Brunskill's true value is in his versatility and ideally he would be the number 1 backup to come in should someone get hurt. I don't completely mind the Ward + Moore/Harris pairing at Safety but I think it needs an upgrade.

Primary focus for depth players: QB, #3 WR, #2 TE, EDGE, CB. Mostly cause we have starters at these positions with a track record of missing time, in particular Jimmy, Kittle and Verrett.

I'd agree with the starters needs, RG, if it's Brunskill cool, I like him, same with McKivitz, but I'd love to draft someone on day 2 to start there, I forget the Ohio State IOL's name. Slot CB, I'm holding out hope K'Waun returns, as for SS, I'm good with Moore there, I think he's a play maker, for some reason he didn't get the PT he got in 2019, was so odd. He's clearly a better Safety, and cover safety than Harris is, who is more of a hybrid S/LB, but he's good at it.

Depth wise, QB is a need, #3 WR agree, even if Hurd were to step up, I'd love to have more than 3 WRs who produce, as it seems to have been ever since Kyle became HC in 2017, #2TE I like Dwelley, but if we go BPA, and Kyle Pitts is there, sign me up, EDGE is a need, we need a young guy to groom opposite Bosa, I hope Ebukam can be that, so we could just draft a guy who is another key rotational player. CB yes we need depth badly, only Verrett & Moseley are GTD to make the 2021 roster IMO.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by Shifty:
As of now the way I see it is as follows...

Starter needs are: RG, Slot CB and SS.
I believe Brunskill's true value is in his versatility and ideally he would be the number 1 backup to come in should someone get hurt. I don't completely mind the Ward + Moore/Harris pairing at Safety but I think it needs an upgrade.

Primary focus for depth players: QB, #3 WR, #2 TE, EDGE, CB. Mostly cause we have starters at these positions with a track record of missing time, in particular Jimmy, Kittle and Verrett.

I'd agree with the starters needs, RG, if it's Brunskill cool, I like him, same with McKivitz, but I'd love to draft someone on day 2 to start there, I forget the Ohio State IOL's name. Slot CB, I'm holding out hope K'Waun returns, as for SS, I'm good with Moore there, I think he's a play maker, for some reason he didn't get the PT he got in 2019, was so odd. He's clearly a better Safety, and cover safety than Harris is, who is more of a hybrid S/LB, but he's good at it.

Depth wise, QB is a need, #3 WR agree, even if Hurd were to step up, I'd love to have more than 3 WRs who produce, as it seems to have been ever since Kyle became HC in 2017, #2TE I like Dwelley, but if we go BPA, and Kyle Pitts is there, sign me up, EDGE is a need, we need a young guy to groom opposite Bosa, I hope Ebukam can be that, so we could just draft a guy who is another key rotational player. CB yes we need depth badly, only Verrett & Moseley are GTD to make the 2021 roster IMO.

I believe you're thinking of Wyatt Davis. Would be a solid addition in my opinion. Actually played at RG last season for the Buckeyes. Would be a seamless fit and honestly I think would give us a very good o-line.

I absolutely see us drafting a CB either 1st or 2nd round. Like you, I hope we can bring back K'Waun on a cheapish 2 year deal and draft a replacement behind him in the later rounds.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
He redid his deal, awaiting details, they likely saved between $5M-$10M.

Well, that's something, but still...ouch. I would love to see him come back, but hx is against him. I assume that means he DID pass a physical? The problem is that if he is a "possible" that means there is some hope he can come back...but if not, he is not only eating cap, we are missing our ER. And that is twice as much pain. He either has them over a barrel OR, there really is hope he returns. Saving $5-10Mil....maybe that was the "meet in the middle " answer?

I didn't hear that he passed a physical. I heard they did some restructuring because he isn't able to pass a physical.

Yeah most likely due to him not being able to pass a physical, so they did a restructure, hoping it was more of a pay cut.

That was really the question AB, but just said a bit differently. Interesting about NOT being able to pass the physical...so he stays with less money. That is a semi- win for us, i guess...but we'll take it. Better than it was. Still we are paying for a guy not out there and the position is EDGE. That is the painful part.

Its interesting that the injury guarantee clause was in there. It looks almost like he was able to predict (prior to signing with the 49ers) that he'll need that clause. Maybe its a standard guarantee clause, maybe not, but I just find it interesting that its there just when he needed it the most.

My gut tells me that Ford knew his health was going to be an issue, and ShanaLynch didnt really understand the importance of health in franchise player yet, and I think Dee Ford and Fat Andy took advantage of them.

It's a standard practice in a lot of contracts, 49ers are just one of a number of teams who guarantee base salaries for injury, and then fully on a certain date, Minnesota does it, only they do it at the beginning of the new league year, we do it for April 1. It has nothing to do with Dee's injury history, or anything with Andy Reid, it's just how they structured the deal. Kittle has these in his deal, only in the deal his base salary is GTD for injury, and gets GTD fully on April 1 of the previous season, so 2024 would be GTD on April 1 2023. Kinda like how Trent's option for 2024-2026 needs to be picked up by April 1, 2023, and if exercised he gets $10M GTD, not an injury thing though. Juice I think has it in his new deal, really just standard practice nowadays, nothing new or unusual about it. We've been doing it since the 2010s, even Bowman and Willis, Staley, Gore, and others of our bigger names, Justin Smith, etc.. all had injury guaranteed, that GTD fully on April 1 of the specific year.

Agree, I think its more standard practice than a wool pulled over ShanaLynch 's eyes, having said that-- with the injury history of the 49ers (being one of the most injured during a span of half a decade) i think Paraag has to revisit that standard practice and maybe pony up a bit more money up front to get relief from these standard injury clauses. Specially to critical players like QB, edge rusher, left tackle etc...

Great job keeping our guys this offseason.
Going into the draft, the main needs would be CB, OL, ER.
There are still some veteran CBs on the market, though, so maybe we can solidify the position and focus on RG, ER, WR3 on draft day.
On the other hand, our DBs are almost all on short contracts, so maybe drafting a CB easrly and having him locked for a few more years would be great for next years.

I think all they should draft is Secondary, OL, and DL. Throw in 1 big RB.

Draft a playmaker. OL QB DE CB Pitts. Comparing our current roster with the rest of the NFC is a lot of fun.

Originally posted by Bellaleo:
Draft a playmaker. OL QB DE CB Pitts. Comparing our current roster with the rest of the NFC is a lot of fun.

Right? A couple years ago I was playing around and ranking talent from 1-4...adding up to see who had the most talent.

Offensive Personnel:
QB: Seattle, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Arizona
RB/FB: Rams, Cards, SF, Sea
TE1/TE2/OW: SF, Rams, Cards, Sea
XWR/SWR/ZWR: Rams, Ari, SF, Sea
LT/RT: SF, Rams, Sea, Cards
C/LG/RG: Rams, Sea, SF, Ari

Talent: Los Angeles 20, San Francisco 17, Seattle 12, Arizona 11

Defensive Personnel:
NT/DT: Rams, SF, Cards, Sea
DE/ER: SF, Rams, Cards, Sea
SAM/MIKE/TED/WILL: Sea, SF, Rams, Cards
RCB/SCB/LCB: Cards, Sea, Rams, SF
FS/SS: Rams, Sea, Cards. SF

Talent: Los Angeles 15, San Francisco 12, Seattle 12, Arizona 11

Special Teams:
LS/PK/P: San Francisco, Los Angeles, Seattle, Arizona

Talent: San Francisco 4, Los Angeles 3, Seattle 2, Arizona 1

Total: Los Angeles 38, San Francisco 33, Seattle 26, Arizona 23

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It would be fun to do this again for 2021 after the draft.

Even thought we've made some signings, it seems to me we still have plenty of needs.

Offensively:
C of the future (he could start as all-around IOL depth)
QB of the future, potentially (at minimum, upgrade QB2)
RB depth (since they all get hurt every year)
TE depth (since Kittle plays so hard he may get dinged up, plus we could really use another star to take pressure off him)
WR depth (we need a starter and a slot guy, Deebo is an injury risk and not really a vertical threat or size mismatch)

Defensively:
CB of the future/depth (protect us with Verret and Williams' injury histories and them only being on 1-year deals)
LB depth (need a #3 LB who can play all spots and potentially upgrade over Al-Shaair)
DE depth (particularly speed -- Ford may not play again, Bosa coming off injury, Hyder gone, AA slow and looking meh)

I dont think we have any glaring needs other than backup QB and slot WR. We need depth across board but all teams are like that at this point in the offseason.

We can go in the draft and pick BPA and even trade up if we like one of the QBs.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Even thought we've made some signings, it seems to me we still have plenty of needs.

Offensively:
C of the future (he could start as all-around IOL depth)
QB of the future, potentially (at minimum, upgrade QB2)
RB depth (since they all get hurt every year)
TE depth (since Kittle plays so hard he may get dinged up, plus we could really use another star to take pressure off him)
WR depth (we need a starter and a slot guy, Deebo is an injury risk and not really a vertical threat or size mismatch)

Defensively:
CB of the future/depth (protect us with Verret and Williams' injury histories and them only being on 1-year deals)
LB depth (need a #3 LB who can play all spots and potentially upgrade over Al-Shaair)
DE depth (particularly speed -- Ford may not play again, Bosa coming off injury, Hyder gone, AA slow and looking meh)

You are certainly correct. Lots of one year deals that need to have long term plans in place this year. Another is BOTH G spots. Tomlinson is on the last year of his contract IIRC and it's unlikely Brunskill is the long term answer.