49ers release DT Zach Kerr

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
I'll admit it, I was dead wrong, I thought he'd be better than he was, such a shame,

I was wrong too. He was the highest rated Defensive player on the Panthers last year (graded at about an 83 )

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
I'll admit it, I was dead wrong, I thought he'd be better than he was, such a shame,

I was wrong too. He was the highest rated Defensive player on the Panthers last year (graded at about an 83 )

I can't recall ever hearing his name called during a game. I agree that they need a big guy in the middle to plug things up. Someone like Vita Vea or Vince Wolfolk would be nice.

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
I'll admit it, I was dead wrong, I thought he'd be better than he was, such a shame,

I was wrong too. He was the highest rated Defensive player on the Panthers last year (graded at about an 83 )

Goes to show you, even we can be wrong, we're not perfect, we don't know for sure if these guys will get hurt or not, or fit the system, he fit to me, but, just never played well enough, sucks, I liked the signing, but oh well, now I'm hoping Darrion Daniels gets promoted to the 53 at some point, I want to see him at NT behind DJ in 2022, if DJ is extended, which he better be.

Originally posted by Heroism:
The dude struggled mightily to hold up in the scheme. Every time I watched Kerr, he was getting totally washed out.

Because the wide 9 is only a 4-man front and so spaced out, there are some MASSIVE bubbles for the offense to attack. Those 2 interior DL are under constant pressure to defeat double teams vs runs like inside zone, duo, etc. The 49ers may need to blow up and rebuild their entire IDL personnel group outside of DJ Jones and Javon Kinlaw this offseason. I think we need more big, beefy IDL that defeat double teams in multiple ways and less undersized pure penetrators like Street and Givens because those guys rely too much on knifing doubles and struggle to consistently hold up when OL get hands on them.

This is likely why the team loved Javon Kinlaw. He's a rare athlete that has the athleticism to explode and attack while also being big and strong enough to defeat double teams in run defense. Unfortunately, Kinlaw is falling apart.

I refuse to give up on Kinlaw, if Gore can come back from two torn ACLs, and Peterson from an ACL tear, then I'll give Kinlaw a chance, if not, then yes, bad pick, bad trade(it already was IMO, I miss Buck, I wish we could have kept him, but wasn't feasible with Warner, Kittle, Trent, then needing to extend Bosa, Deebo, Dre, plus anyone else who breaks out).

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Wow. What happened to this guy. He was rated reslly well last year.

The dude struggled mightily to hold up in the scheme. Every time I watched Kerr, he was getting totally washed out.

Because the wide 9 is only a 4-man front and so spaced out, there are some MASSIVE bubbles for the offense to attack. Those 2 interior DL are under constant pressure to defeat double teams vs runs like inside zone, duo, etc. The 49ers may need to blow up and rebuild their entire IDL personnel group outside of DJ Jones and Javon Kinlaw this offseason. I think we need more big, beefy IDL that defeat double teams in multiple ways and less undersized pure penetrators like Street and Givens because those guys rely too much on knifing doubles and struggle to consistently hold up when OL get hands on them.

This is likely why the team loved Javon Kinlaw. He's a rare athlete that has the athleticism to explode and attack while also being big and strong enough to defeat double teams in run defense. Unfortunately, Kinlaw is falling apart.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Wow. What happened to this guy. He was rated reslly well last year.

The dude struggled mightily to hold up in the scheme. Every time I watched Kerr, he was getting totally washed out.

Because the wide 9 is only a 4-man front and so spaced out, there are some MASSIVE bubbles for the offense to attack. Those 2 interior DL are under constant pressure to defeat double teams vs runs like inside zone, duo, etc. The 49ers may need to blow up and rebuild their entire IDL personnel group outside of DJ Jones and Javon Kinlaw this offseason. I think we need more big, beefy IDL that defeat double teams in multiple ways and less undersized pure penetrators like Street and Givens because those guys rely too much on knifing doubles and struggle to consistently hold up when OL get hands on them.

This is likely why the team loved Javon Kinlaw. He's a rare athlete that has the athleticism to explode and attack while also being big and strong enough to defeat double teams in run defense. Unfortunately, Kinlaw is falling apart.

I get it with Kinlaw. The thing is Street was drafted as a DE. Why would they think he could be a DT in this scheme? Idk. I thought he should've stayed outside as a run down DE. Crazy we will need both starters and backups on the Dline.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Wow. What happened to this guy. He was rated reslly well last year.

The dude struggled mightily to hold up in the scheme. Every time I watched Kerr, he was getting totally washed out.

Because the wide 9 is only a 4-man front and so spaced out, there are some MASSIVE bubbles for the offense to attack. Those 2 interior DL are under constant pressure to defeat double teams vs runs like inside zone, duo, etc. The 49ers may need to blow up and rebuild their entire IDL personnel group outside of DJ Jones and Javon Kinlaw this offseason. I think we need more big, beefy IDL that defeat double teams in multiple ways and less undersized pure penetrators like Street and Givens because those guys rely too much on knifing doubles and struggle to consistently hold up when OL get hands on them.

This is likely why the team loved Javon Kinlaw. He's a rare athlete that has the athleticism to explode and attack while also being big and strong enough to defeat double teams in run defense. Unfortunately, Kinlaw is falling apart.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Wow. What happened to this guy. He was rated reslly well last year.

The dude struggled mightily to hold up in the scheme. Every time I watched Kerr, he was getting totally washed out.

Because the wide 9 is only a 4-man front and so spaced out, there are some MASSIVE bubbles for the offense to attack. Those 2 interior DL are under constant pressure to defeat double teams vs runs like inside zone, duo, etc. The 49ers may need to blow up and rebuild their entire IDL personnel group outside of DJ Jones and Javon Kinlaw this offseason. I think we need more big, beefy IDL that defeat double teams in multiple ways and less undersized pure penetrators like Street and Givens because those guys rely too much on knifing doubles and struggle to consistently hold up when OL get hands on them.

This is likely why the team loved Javon Kinlaw. He's a rare athlete that has the athleticism to explode and attack while also being big and strong enough to defeat double teams in run defense. Unfortunately, Kinlaw is falling apart.

I get it with Kinlaw. The thing is Street was drafted as a DE. Why would they think he could be a DT in this scheme? Idk. I thought he should've stayed outside as a run down DE. Crazy we will need both starters and backups on the Dline.

I think with Street is, like Armstead, he has the size to play both DE & DT, and I've watched every game, Street & Armstead have gotten good pressure into the backfield, sacks aren't everything, yes you need to finish, but, pressures are good.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by Heroism:
The dude struggled mightily to hold up in the scheme. Every time I watched Kerr, he was getting totally washed out.

Because the wide 9 is only a 4-man front and so spaced out, there are some MASSIVE bubbles for the offense to attack. Those 2 interior DL are under constant pressure to defeat double teams vs runs like inside zone, duo, etc. The 49ers may need to blow up and rebuild their entire IDL personnel group outside of DJ Jones and Javon Kinlaw this offseason. I think we need more big, beefy IDL that defeat double teams in multiple ways and less undersized pure penetrators like Street and Givens because those guys rely too much on knifing doubles and struggle to consistently hold up when OL get hands on them.

This is likely why the team loved Javon Kinlaw. He's a rare athlete that has the athleticism to explode and attack while also being big and strong enough to defeat double teams in run defense. Unfortunately, Kinlaw is falling apart.

I refuse to give up on Kinlaw, if Gore can come back from two torn ACLs, and Peterson from an ACL tear, then I'll give Kinlaw a chance, if not, then yes, bad pick, bad trade(it already was IMO, I miss Buck, I wish we could have kept him, but wasn't feasible with Warner, Kittle, Trent, then needing to extend Bosa, Deebo, Dre, plus anyone else who breaks out).

I'm with you on Kinlaw. Let's see if the surgery is successful. He was green to begin with and they knew he would be somewhat of a project. but they saw an immense dude with a lot of power and felt he was worth a chance. People on this forum are always quick to anoint a guy when he's drafted and just a s quick to dump on on him if he doesn't pop in the first few games. Fans don't want to wait and see if a player develops.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Wow. What happened to this guy. He was rated reslly well last year.

The dude struggled mightily to hold up in the scheme. Every time I watched Kerr, he was getting totally washed out.

Because the wide 9 is only a 4-man front and so spaced out, there are some MASSIVE bubbles for the offense to attack. Those 2 interior DL are under constant pressure to defeat double teams vs runs like inside zone, duo, etc. The 49ers may need to blow up and rebuild their entire IDL personnel group outside of DJ Jones and Javon Kinlaw this offseason. I think we need more big, beefy IDL that defeat double teams in multiple ways and less undersized pure penetrators like Street and Givens because those guys rely too much on knifing doubles and struggle to consistently hold up when OL get hands on them.

This is likely why the team loved Javon Kinlaw. He's a rare athlete that has the athleticism to explode and attack while also being big and strong enough to defeat double teams in run defense. Unfortunately, Kinlaw is falling apart.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Wow. What happened to this guy. He was rated reslly well last year.

The dude struggled mightily to hold up in the scheme. Every time I watched Kerr, he was getting totally washed out.

Because the wide 9 is only a 4-man front and so spaced out, there are some MASSIVE bubbles for the offense to attack. Those 2 interior DL are under constant pressure to defeat double teams vs runs like inside zone, duo, etc. The 49ers may need to blow up and rebuild their entire IDL personnel group outside of DJ Jones and Javon Kinlaw this offseason. I think we need more big, beefy IDL that defeat double teams in multiple ways and less undersized pure penetrators like Street and Givens because those guys rely too much on knifing doubles and struggle to consistently hold up when OL get hands on them.

This is likely why the team loved Javon Kinlaw. He's a rare athlete that has the athleticism to explode and attack while also being big and strong enough to defeat double teams in run defense. Unfortunately, Kinlaw is falling apart.

I get it with Kinlaw. The thing is Street was drafted as a DE. Why would they think he could be a DT in this scheme? Idk. I thought he should've stayed outside as a run down DE. Crazy we will need both starters and backups on the Dline.

I think with Street is, like Armstead, he has the size to play both DE & DT, and I've watched every game, Street & Armstead have gotten good pressure into the backfield, sacks aren't everything, yes you need to finish, but, pressures are good.

Do.you see them offering Street a contract? Its weird because they didn't offer one to guys like Blair and Hyder who were very productive.

Well, it's a little mystifying about kerr because he scored an incredible 84.1 in carolina's scheme last year:

zach kerr 2020

See, when I see sh^t like this, I'm asking how is it possible unless there's an injury or something.

We want all our IL to handle double teams every snap? Vince Wilfork was a Nose Tackle.

Do we need two nose tackles for IL playing a w9?

It's a mystery?

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I'm with you on Kinlaw. Let's see if the surgery is successful. He was green to begin with and they knew he would be somewhat of a project. but they saw an immense dude with a lot of power and felt he was worth a chance. People on this forum are always quick to anoint a guy when he's drafted and just a s quick to dump on on him if he doesn't pop in the first few games. Fans don't want to wait and see if a player develops.

Amen brother, Amen to that. Agreed, give it time, some players take 3-4 years to fully develop into a good player, it doesn't happen over night.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Do.you see them offering Street a contract? Its weird because they didn't offer one to guys like Blair and Hyder who were very productive.

Street is a RFA after this year, I think they sign him to a 1yr deal, similar to what they did with Marcell Harris & Ross Dwelley, where it's for much less than the original round tender, which is projected to be $2.396M, so, say 1yr $1.5M with little GTD money, I think it's worth it to see what he can do.

As for Blair and Hyder, idk what happened there, Blair said he was back, pending physical, but never happened, guess he didn't pass it, signed with Jets, then was cut I think, as for Hyder, idk, I wish we brought him back, but I do like Ebukam, Key, Willis, & the new kid Omenihu, so let's see if they can bring a spark.

But, we're gonna need to address the DL in the offseason, IDL that is, I see Bosa, Armstead, Omenihu, Jones(if re-signed), Kinlaw(if back healthy), Givens(ERFA), Street(RFA), Daniels(PS Player with potential) back for camp, also Willis & Key shouldn't cost more than the minimum. As for Ebukam & Dee, idk, I like both, if Ebukam steps up more, I'd keep him, if Dee comes back healthy/stronger, I keep him. As for Hurst, idk, I had high hopes for him, looked good in the 1 game he played, but, injured, doubt they bring him back unless a 1yr vet minimum deal. So we need to draft some IDL, and maybe EDGE guys if Ebukam, Dee, and company don't live up.

I think we start by moving Arik inside on a permanent basis. DJ, Arik and Kinlaw as the top 3. We need another run stuffer and a smaller, explosive 3-tech behind them. we can't rely on kinlaw 100% for the run game, can't be in a situation taht if kinlaw is not ready to go we are unable to stop the run. I'd like to hope that between Ebukam and Willis we will have one DE that can be a 50% starter if Dee can't go - we'd then need another speed rusher and another run stopping end. I think we have the key pieces for an elite line, we are just missing the depth to cover for injuries