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Originally posted by BMoore56:
All the arm chair scouts just see what school the Qb is at and automatically says no. Watch some games ppl

That being said. It took me 2 highlight vids to see the potential of Trey Lance being a monster in Kyle's offense. His physical ability to do everything is off the charts. He's a big qb playing like a quick smaller guy.
Originally posted by JTB1974:
Originally posted by badguy_1:
It does seem like Mac Jones is at his ceiling right now. That's why most pundits/reporters are saying he is "pro ready" lol.

But he is also probally the least likely to be a bust.

Everone had jarred goff as pro ready too.
Originally posted by cortana49:
Tom Brady says "hi"

Brady is the GOAT.

About the QB that today´s NFL is looking for is all about:

-Arm strength
-Mobility
-Can plays out of nothing

Brady is the GOAT but today´s coaches are looking for the new Mahomes
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Wilson is the only QB prospect that really excites me. Fields and Lance both look too much like Kaepernick for my tastes and Jones lacks the mobility required to play the QB position in the modern NFL.

If mobility was required to play QB in this modern NFL you speak of, then how in the hell did Tom Brady just win ring #7? Did he suddenly become mobile?

There being one exception doesn't mean it's not true. It also helps that Brady is the greatest (pocket) QB of all time.

Brady is a dinosaur and his style of QBing is going extinct. He's lucky that Mahomes basically had no offensive line in the Super Bowl or he would have lost. If Mahomes receivers could have held onto the ball, he might still have lost.

Go back and look at the SBs winners from the past 10 years, all but 3 were won by mobile QB's, once with Mahomes, once with Wilson and once with Aaron Rodgers. The other winners :

Tom Brady x 4
Nick Foles
Peyton Manning
Eli Manning
Joe Flacco
Drew Brees

One doesn't need a mobile QB to win a SB. It's a myth.
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Wilson is the only QB prospect that really excites me. Fields and Lance both look too much like Kaepernick for my tastes and Jones lacks the mobility required to play the QB position in the modern NFL.

If mobility was required to play QB in this modern NFL you speak of, then how in the hell did Tom Brady just win ring #7? Did he suddenly become mobile?

There being one exception doesn't mean it's not true. It also helps that Brady is the greatest (pocket) QB of all time.

Brady is a dinosaur and his style of QBing is going extinct. He's lucky that Mahomes basically had no offensive line in the Super Bowl or he would have lost. If Mahomes receivers could have held onto the ball, he might still have lost.

If you can't look at a QB prospect and honestly say that he could be the next Mahomes then he's not worth drafting, especially not in the top 5.

If you have a 22 year old Brady, Payton Manning, and Drew Brees equivalent talent entering the draft, I think it would be ridiculous to say you don't want to spent a top 3 picks on them because you don't think these type of QBs can win championships in the NFL in the coming decade. I simply don't agree with this assessment.
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by fip24:
I generally love this type of activity, but I absolutely hate this deal.
Trading 3 1st rd picks for Lawrence is one thing, and even Wilson maybe, but the # 3 pick???
Justin Fields will be, at best, a backup in this league. He is Dwayne Haskins part 2- put up huge numbers against the awful team that make up the Big Ten. I hope to God he isn't the pick.
Trey Lance is a myth. Who has actually what he's this guy play a football game against a team anyone has heard of
That only really leaves Mac Jones- who I do like but this is an awful lot to pay for him.
My only hope is that Saleh has given Shanahan some insight into what the Jets will do with #2, and they don't plan on taking Wilson.
If not, this will be the move that Shanahan and Lynch get fired over


How do you figure that they traded 3 1st round picks?

It's two firsts, likely late, and a late 3rd if the QB pans out.

Justin Fields will be, at best, a backup in this league. He is Dwayne Haskins part 2- put up huge numbers against the awful team that make up the Big Ten.


What a bad take. Fields absolutely balled out against Clemson and did the best the could while injured and his team clearly overmatched by Bama. He is nothing like Haskins.

The Niners traded round 1 picks in 2021, 2022 and 2023. How is that not 3 1st rd picks?

As for my take on Fields, hope we didn't just mortgage the future and this rosters chance to win a Super Bowl to draft a guy who " did the best he could" against Bama.
Fields is a one read athlete playing QB. Best case scenario is that he's Lamar Jackson, but I'd bet he ends up being more like Vince Young.
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Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Wilson is the only QB prospect that really excites me. Fields and Lance both look too much like Kaepernick for my tastes and Jones lacks the mobility required to play the QB position in the modern NFL.

If mobility was required to play QB in this modern NFL you speak of, then how in the hell did Tom Brady just win ring #7? Did he suddenly become mobile?

There being one exception doesn't mean it's not true. It also helps that Brady is the greatest (pocket) QB of all time.

Brady is a dinosaur and his style of QBing is going extinct. He's lucky that Mahomes basically had no offensive line in the Super Bowl or he would have lost. If Mahomes receivers could have held onto the ball, the Chiefs probably win.

If you can't look at a QB prospect and honestly say that he could be the next Mahomes then he's not worth drafting, especially not in the top 5.

Ha!

There's no such thing as dinosaurs, everything in the NFL has a fad, things come and go.

Deep passing and mobility fare the current fad, but as always defenses will catch up. (Unless rules continue to offset) It also remains to be seen if the new breed of mobile quarterback's have a long lifespan in the league.
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Bloodless:
Everyone better prepare themselves for Mac Jones. Search your feelings you know it to be true.

Simms knows and likes to show it. Maiocco isn't the type to make hot takes for hits.

MM did also say this though:
Hahaha Mike silver going out on a limb here

That completes the media circa with ties to SF minus Peter King, which will come out on Monday.

Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Wilson is the only QB prospect that really excites me. Fields and Lance both look too much like Kaepernick for my tastes and Jones lacks the mobility required to play the QB position in the modern NFL.

If mobility was required to play QB in this modern NFL you speak of, then how in the hell did Tom Brady just win ring #7? Did he suddenly become mobile?

There being one exception doesn't mean it's not true. It also helps that Brady is the greatest (pocket) QB of all time.

Brady is a dinosaur and his style of QBing is going extinct. He's lucky that Mahomes basically had no offensive line in the Super Bowl or he would have lost. If Mahomes receivers could have held onto the ball, he might still have lost.

Go back and look at the SBs winners from the past 10 years, all but 3 were won by mobile QB's, once with Mahomes, once with Wilson and once with Aaron Rodgers. The other winners :

Tom Brady x 4
Nick Foles
Peyton Manning
Eli Manning
Joe Flacco
Drew Brees

One doesn't need a mobile QB to win a SB. It's a myth.

Yep. The new QBs are fun and exciting, but to say mobility is required in today's NFL is a bit hyperbolic.
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Originally posted by evil:
Go back and look at the SBs winners from the past 10 years, all but 3 were won by mobile QB's, once with Mahomes, once with Wilson and once with Aaron Rodgers. The other winners :

Tom Brady x 4
Nick Foles
Peyton Manning
Eli Manning
Joe Flacco
Drew Brees

One doesn't need a mobile QB to win a SB. It's a myth.

Complete myth
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Wilson is the only QB prospect that really excites me. Fields and Lance both look too much like Kaepernick for my tastes and Jones lacks the mobility required to play the QB position in the modern NFL.

If mobility was required to play QB in this modern NFL you speak of, then how in the hell did Tom Brady just win ring #7? Did he suddenly become mobile?

There being one exception doesn't mean it's not true. It also helps that Brady is the greatest (pocket) QB of all time.

Brady is a dinosaur and his style of QBing is going extinct. He's lucky that Mahomes basically had no offensive line in the Super Bowl or he would have lost. If Mahomes receivers could have held onto the ball, he might still have lost.

Go back and look at the SBs winners from the past 10 years, all but 3 were won by mobile QB's, once with Mahomes, once with Wilson and once with Aaron Rodgers. The other winners :

Tom Brady x 4
Nick Foles
Peyton Manning
Eli Manning
Joe Flacco
Drew Brees

One doesn't need a mobile QB to win a SB. It's a myth.

And none of those 3 had to be "mobile" to win that Superbowl either.
Originally posted by Monsterniner:
Originally posted by cortana49:
Tom Brady says "hi"

Brady is the GOAT.

About the QB that today´s NFL is looking for is all about:

-Arm strength
-Mobility
-Can plays out of nothing

Brady is the GOAT but today´s coaches are looking for the new Mahomes

My main issue with that argument is that Shanny doesn't seem to value all that extremely highly and he is at or near the top of the heap.

Also, even if you take Brady out of the list, the last decade of Superbowls is still strongly skewed towards pocket passers.

Edit: Evil beat me to it
[ Edited by Midbay on Mar 26, 2021 at 6:45 PM ]
What I don't get is when someone says I could stomach mac jones at 12 but not at 3.

Look, if you believe in shanahan, then you have to get him his qb. If he thinks mac jones is a franchise qb, then you make the trade to make sure nobody jumps you. I have no problem with the trade to get mac jones if that's who shanahan thinks is best.

With that being said, I have no faith that shanahan can pick out a qb
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Originally posted by Midbay:
Originally posted by Bloodless:
Originally posted by BSofSF:
When I see Trey Lance drop back, then sprint up the middle on a QB draw for a 70-yd TD against a cow-chip conference opponent, flexing the cursive script on his biceps, it gives me PTSD a little. Anyone else concerned that we've seen this movie before?

He is by far the biggest boom or bust. IMO he is also the least pro ready out of the top 5. That is why I think lance is the least likely to be selected.

Wilson tingles my spidey sense in that regard too. He could break pretty easy.

Newsflash - all QB drafts are boom or bust.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Wilson is the only QB prospect that really excites me. Fields and Lance both look too much like Kaepernick for my tastes and Jones lacks the mobility required to play the QB position in the modern NFL.

If mobility was required to play QB in this modern NFL you speak of, then how in the hell did Tom Brady just win ring #7? Did he suddenly become mobile?

There being one exception doesn't mean it's not true. It also helps that Brady is the greatest (pocket) QB of all time.

Brady is a dinosaur and his style of QBing is going extinct. He's lucky that Mahomes basically had no offensive line in the Super Bowl or he would have lost. If Mahomes receivers could have held onto the ball, he might still have lost.

Go back and look at the SBs winners from the past 10 years, all but 3 were won by mobile QB's, once with Mahomes, once with Wilson and once with Aaron Rodgers. The other winners :

Tom Brady x 4
Nick Foles
Peyton Manning
Eli Manning
Joe Flacco
Drew Brees

One doesn't need a mobile QB to win a SB. It's a myth.

And none of those 3 had to be "mobile" to win that Superbowl either.

Look at the last 10 SB winners...all but one had a top 10 D. And all but one had their FQB under center.

We have the defensive talent now we need the FQB. Don't care if he is mobile or not, just get me whoever is a FQB.
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