Niners trade for #3 overall

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by ritz126:
coming out of college lamar and fields arent even in the same universe as runners and Fields is a better passer coming out . The copmarision doesnt make sense to me i think there is 0 chance Fields will be the threat lamar is as a runner

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Just because he didn't do it as much as Lamar doesn't mean he wasn't as good.

How do you draft Jones over that. ^^

And I like Jones.

Becaise that's a running back.

I was originally a fan of Jones at #12 but changed after the trade up.

Watched a bunch of film on Fields since then because I assumed he would be long gone at #12

I would draft Fields based on his pocket passing by itself

He has a good/great arm and great accuracy
He just needs experience in KS scheme and reading NFL defenses before he is dangerous from the pocket as a passer.

Go watch Jimmy G highlights from our 2019 SB run and see how often KS schemes a guy wide open. Fields will nail all those throws and open up the running game and middle of the field passing by forcing the defense to respect his arm and commit to honestly defending the entire field due to deep and sideline routes Fields can threaten.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by ritz126:
coming out of college lamar and fields arent even in the same universe as runners and Fields is a better passer coming out . The copmarision doesnt make sense to me i think there is 0 chance Fields will be the threat lamar is as a runner

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Just because he didn't do it as much as Lamar doesn't mean he wasn't as good.

How do you draft Jones over that. ^^

And I like Jones.

Becaise Lamar can't win in the playoffs

Fields throws a way better ball than Lamar and he's shown to run as a last resort which is exactly what you want, but defenses must still respect that running ability.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by ritz126:
coming out of college lamar and fields arent even in the same universe as runners and Fields is a better passer coming out . The copmarision doesnt make sense to me i think there is 0 chance Fields will be the threat lamar is as a runner

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Just because he didn't do it as much as Lamar doesn't mean he wasn't as good.

How do you draft Jones over that. ^^

And I like Jones.

Becaise Lamar can't win in the playoffs

He did win a playoff game. His running isn't why they haven't won a Super Bowl.

Not similar playing styles at all.

The media who are all jumping on the Jones bandwagon are all assuming the Niners want to move on from Jimmy right now. They keep talking about Jones being more pro-ready right now and can start year 1. Maybe Kyle doesn't want a guy that can start year 1. Maybe they plan on having Jimmy play out the final 2 years of his contract and then have a QB take over in year 3. They did call up Jimmy immediately after the trade-up and told him he is still very much in their plans. If they are in win now mode why would they go with any rookie QB to start in 2021?

So now let's say the media believed Jimmy was going to be here for the next 2 years, Would they still think Mac Jones is the pick? This is why I think Trey Lance might be the pick. For you gamblers out there go put money on Lance. Great odds.

Originally posted by JTB1974:
The media who are all jumping on the Jones bandwagon are all assuming the Niners want to move on from Jimmy right now. They keep talking about Jones being more pro-ready right now and can start year 1. Maybe Kyle doesn't want a guy that can start year 1. Maybe they plan on having Jimmy play out the final 2 years of his contract and then have a QB take over in year 3. They did call up Jimmy immediately after the trade-up and told him he is still very much in their plans. If they are in win now mode why would they go with any rookie QB to start in 2021?

So now let's say the media believed Jimmy was going to be here for the next 2 years, Would they still think Mac Jones is the pick? This is why I think Trey Lance might be the pick. For you gamblers out there go put money on Lance. Great odds.

Were not throwing this season away, you can bet on that. Shanahan would lose all credibility with the current roster of players if he said "Sorry all you vets on 1 year deals, were trading Jimmy, and any chance of a SB this year, for some on the job training of our new QB. Bear with me."

Jimmy will start because he gives us the best chance to win a SB in 2021. Nobody else would give us that opportunity. Whichever QB we draft is sitting the year out unless Jimmy gets hurt again.

Originally posted by JTB1974:
The media who are all jumping on the Jones bandwagon are all assuming the Niners want to move on from Jimmy right now. They keep talking about Jones being more pro-ready right now and can start year 1. Maybe Kyle doesn't want a guy that can start year 1. Maybe they plan on having Jimmy play out the final 2 years of his contract and then have a QB take over in year 3. They did call up Jimmy immediately after the trade-up and told him he is still very much in their plans. If they are in win now mode why would they go with any rookie QB to start in 2021?

So now let's say the media believed Jimmy was going to be here for the next 2 years, Would they still think Mac Jones is the pick? This is why I think Trey Lance might be the pick. For you gamblers out there go put money on Lance. Great odds.

Maybe it has to do with his injury history and they are trying to apply the logic where we would want someone who can be ready to play this year if need be.

19 days until we draft Mac Jones!

Originally posted by btthepunk:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by ritz126:
coming out of college lamar and fields arent even in the same universe as runners and Fields is a better passer coming out . The copmarision doesnt make sense to me i think there is 0 chance Fields will be the threat lamar is as a runner

Just because he didn't do it as much as Lamar doesn't mean he wasn't as good.

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How do you draft Jones over that. ^^

And I like Jones.

Becaise Lamar can't win in the playoffs

He did win a playoff game. His running isn't why they haven't won a Super Bowl.

Not similar playing styles at all.

They're ruining Lamar just like the Falcons ruined Vick. They didn't force him to pass enough to get better at it. They used his running ability like crutch, and hes not developing as a passer because of it. The Ravens were 32nd in the league in passing this year.

Lamar just isn't a good enough passer to win a SB, at least right now. The read option gimmicky stuff only takes you so far.

Fields is a pass first guy. He has excellent accuracy and a very strong arm. Shanahan would teach him to run the offense his way, and then ad lib with his legs after things break down. Garoppolo and Jones are QB's who are SOL if the play falls apart, or the protection fails. Fields and Lance can extend past that point.

Originally posted by FacePalm:
If we prefer Wilson over Fields why wouldn't the Jets?

If we prefer Mac Jones over Fields why wouldn't the Jets?

Originally posted by braap49er:
19 days until we draft Mac Jones!

You're going to be sad on Christmas morning. You dont trade that much draft capital to move up that high and take a kid with a DUI and a beer gut.

Originally posted by braap49er:
19 days until we draft Justin Fields!

Fixed it for you

In all seriousnees, if Wilson is unavailable, although I wouldn't trade that much to move up for him, Fields is the only real option.
Lance would be a good pick in the middle to end of 1st round. But, you can't draft him that high based on the weak competition he faced, few throws that he made, and the natural tendency to be another CK, where its a run first mentality.
In addition, Jones is a suboptimal option because he neither has the athletic ability nor the proof to be able to perform with a weak supporting staff.

Fields is the only real safe bet here.

In any case, I would have preferred to not move up that much for this class of QBs.

Originally posted by 49ers18:

Originally posted by braap49er:
19 days until we draft Justin Fields!

Fixed it for you

Originally posted by 49ers18:

Originally posted by IrishCrnjo:
I'm a pessimist when it comes to the 49ers and high draft picks. This franchise seems to be cursed at QB. And twice over the last decade we were convinced our savior had finally arrived, (Kap/JImmy) and their star faded fast.

I personally am hoping for Fields...because even if he never develops into a great passer, at least he'll have his legs. I think he can become a Lamar Jackson level QB.

Mac Jones....how is he better than Josh Rosen or Jimmy G?

Fields is a much better passer than Lamar was coming out of college. I personally believe Fields has all the tools to be one of the best QBs in the game with the right coach and system, like Shanahan.

Agreed. Agreed Fields is more accurate, averages more yards per attempt, can hit at every level, etc. Lamar is nowhere near Fields was as a passer. While I feel Lamar was drafted too low, no way Fields falls to 32 It would be the steal of the century.

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by IrishCrnjo:
I'm a pessimist when it comes to the 49ers and high draft picks. This franchise seems to be cursed at QB. And twice over the last decade we were convinced our savior had finally arrived, (Kap/JImmy) and their star faded fast.

I personally am hoping for Fields...because even if he never develops into a great passer, at least he'll have his legs. I think he can become a Lamar Jackson level QB.

Mac Jones....how is he better than Josh Rosen or Jimmy G?

coming out of college lamar and fields arent even in the same universe as runners and Fields is a better passer coming out . The copmarision doesnt make sense to me i think there is 0 chance Fields will be the threat lamar is as a runner

Facts. There are only two reasons I can think the comp was made. One is Fields running a 4.4, but the running thing isn't his game.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by btthepunk:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by ritz126:
coming out of college lamar and fields arent even in the same universe as runners and Fields is a better passer coming out . The copmarision doesnt make sense to me i think there is 0 chance Fields will be the threat lamar is as a runner

Just because he didn't do it as much as Lamar doesn't mean he wasn't as good.

How do you draft Jones over that. ^^

And I like Jones.

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Becaise Lamar can't win in the playoffs

He did win a playoff game. His running isn't why they haven't won a Super Bowl.

Not similar playing styles at all.

They're ruining Lamar just like the Falcons ruined Vick. They didn't force him to pass enough to get better at it. They used his running ability like crutch, and hes not developing as a passer because of it. The Ravens were 32nd in the league in passing this year.

Lamar just isn't a good enough passer to win a SB, at least right now. The read option gimmicky stuff only takes you so far.

Fields is a pass first guy. He has excellent accuracy and a very strong arm. Shanahan would teach him to run the offense his way, and then ad lib with his legs after things break down. Garoppolo and Jones are QB's who are SOL if the play falls apart, or the protection fails. Fields and Lance can extend past that point.

Absolutely.

Lamar Jackson averages about 10 rushes per game. In college he was running the ball nearly 20 times a game. Fields at no point was anywhere near Jackson's rushing numbers and he isn't going to start when he gets to the league. Can't wait to see him in our offense.

I totally agree on the Ravens with Jackson. Part of it is the coaching staff (Roman/QB coaches). Part of it is on Jackson. It's one of those things where you have to have a moment of truth as a player to figure out how to break through to the next level.

I need some goddamn pick #3 news.