Niners trade for #3 overall

Originally posted by OneNDone:
Didn't Mac just destroy every single SEC opponent he played having one of the best college seasons ever? Where are you guys getting your ideas that he's not a "game changer"? What evidence do you have? His national championship? His godly stats? His 77+% completion percentage?

Again, the dude ran a 10th of his plays from under C. Not even. 10 plays. Guess how Shanahan runs his offense from under C. Why do you think Sarkisian never asked him too? It's cause he's not comfortable enough. That alone is a flag. We don't have a Smith or Waddle on our team. His arm strength is terrible and he's a completely lateral move from Jimmy G that brings nothing more to this offense excepts he processes faster. He's going to get sacked so often and when you will be here a year later hitching about why he's not mobile. Bet.

Originally posted by evil:
You are making this up.

Nobody here knows how football smart he truly is or isn't. But we do know that according to Sark, he had more on his plate than any other college QB that Sark has ever coached.

He's pretty smart actually. I think he alrdy finished his masters.

Originally posted by frenchmov:
At 3, you need to get a potential game changer. There are a half dozen Mac Jones every draft. He's not a football "rain man". He's smart, like every QB. College smart and NFL smart are 2 different things. NFL defenses deal with guys much smarter than Mac every week. If your justification at 3 is "hes not an athlete, can't make off schedule plays, has an ok arm but he's smart" that's not good enough in the nfl

You are just making stuff up now, doesn't matter if he is drafted at 3 or 33.

If he makes the team better and is what the team needs, that is all that matters.

In his interview he talks about the meetings he has had with nfl teams and how they asked him about a certain plays, even from early on and what was his thinking on that play and that they were impressed he could remember that play, and where everybody was on offence and defence were and what they were doing with out even looking at the tape

Pretty rain man like to me and am pretty sure that impressed a lot of teams, that plus his tape would have had a to lot of teams keen to trade up to get him.

Panthers were very high on him and only traded for Sam Darnold when they knew the 9ers were taking him.

I get people want the media to do all their qb evaluation and tell them who they want.

But it only takes digging a little deeper yourself to see Mac Jones isn't what the media are wanting you to believe.

Also Mac Jones fits our scheme more then a Lamar Jackson does, so there is that.

We don't need a running quarterback, we need an accurate, smart qb that has all the tools, and that is Mac Jones

Originally posted by TheGoldenNugget:
Again, the dude ran a 10th of his plays from under C. Not even. 10 plays. Guess how Shanahan runs his offense from under C. Why do you think Sarkisian never asked him too? It's cause he's not comfortable enough. That alone is a flag. We don't have a Smith or Waddle on our team. His arm strength is terrible and he's a completely lateral move from Jimmy G that brings nothing more to this offense excepts he processes faster. He's going to get sacked so often and when you will be here a year later hitching about why he's not mobile. Bet.

You haven't even watched his interview have you ?

All that is in there.

So for those who can't think for themselves, here is basically what he said.

He inherited Tua's scheme, the scheme that was designed for tua6 not him.

He just played the way he was asked to play and that he can do all the other stuff

Originally posted by JaGuR:
You haven't even watched his interview have you ?

All that is in there.

So for those who can't think for themselves, here is basically what he said.

He inherited Tua's scheme, the scheme that was designed for him.

He just played the way he was v asked to play and that he can do all the other stuff

That's my point exactly. Going from under C to snapping the ball from shotgun is completely different. Lots of people have issues transitioning from that.

Of course he said that. That's like an employer asking can you do this? Of course you're going to say whatever you can to help you land a job. What's he supposed to say? No? I don't need to see him say that he can do it nor does it mean I can't think for myself. This is called the art of selling. Whether he can do it well or just do it for the sake of doing it are two completely different things.

Originally posted by TheGoldenNugget:

Originally posted by OneNDone:
Didn't Mac just destroy every single SEC opponent he played having one of the best college seasons ever? Where are you guys getting your ideas that he's not a "game changer"? What evidence do you have? His national championship? His godly stats? His 77 % completion percentage?

Again, the dude ran a 10th of his plays from under C. Not even. 10 plays. Guess how Shanahan runs his offense from under C. Why do you think Sarkisian never asked him too? It's cause he's not comfortable enough. That alone is a flag. We don't have a Smith or Waddle on our team. His arm strength is terrible and he's a completely lateral move from Jimmy G that brings nothing more to this offense excepts he processes faster. He's going to get sacked so often and when you will be here a year later hitching about why he's not mobile. Bet.

Source/Link ?

Originally posted by evil:
Source/Link ?

The source is he took only 10 snaps all year under C with and without playaction. Check Nick Wagner's thread on QBs who did. It's on his Twitter.

Originally posted by TheGoldenNugget:
The source is he took only 10 snaps all year under C with and without playaction. Check Nick Wagner's thread on QBs who did. It's on his Twitter.

Lol

He did a stack of playaction.

Pros

Reading the Field: Mac Jones is one of, if not the best, at reading the field. His internal clock is incredibly fast and he can read the field at an accelerated rate. His receivers may seem to be miles open a lot of the time, but you never see Mac hold onto the ball for to long. He goes through his progressions very quickly and rarely forces it, which remains as one of the big reasons Alabama's offense succeeded. Mac will rarely throw game crushing interceptions or make egregious mistakes, he's calm and calculated.
Play Action: For a quarterback that has no mobility whatsoever, Mac Jones is really good out of play action. He does not roll out, but he is great out of the play action pull, scanning the field with lightning speed and finding a short to intermediate throw before the defense understands it is not a run. Najee Harris gains a lot of attention from the defense for obvious reasons, but Mac takes every but of advantage that gives him, and just dumps it off with anticipation and understanding on how the defense develops out of the play action.
Finesse Throws: Mac Jones may not have the strongest arm or the best deep ball, but he is great at ball placement and balls that take finesse. From hitting corner routes in the end zone, lobs to the back of the end zone, sideline toe taps, and many more, Mac Jones can make those throws with ease. Mac, in a west coast system, will exceed in finessing the ball to the outside and getting the receiver space to work with. Really good tool, as the windows in the NFL are much tighter and go away much faster.
Accurate in Short to Medium Throws: As stated earlier, do not ask Mac to be incredibly accurate down the field, however, he is great in the short to intermediate throws. His receivers gained a lot of space in college, but if you watched closely his placement and accuracy did not require them being wide open. Even if covered, the receiver is the only one making a play on the ball, which is incredibly important in the NFL.

Originally posted by JaGuR:

Originally posted by TheGoldenNugget:
The source is he took only 10 snaps all year under C with and without playaction. Check Nick Wagner's thread on QBs who did. It's on his Twitter.

Lol

He did a stack of playaction.

Pros

Reading the Field: Mac Jones is one of, if not the best, at reading the field. His internal clock is incredibly fast and he can read the field at an accelerated rate. His receivers may seem to be miles open a lot of the time, but you never see Mac hold onto the ball for to long. He goes through his progressions very quickly and rarely forces it, which remains as one of the big reasons Alabama's offense succeeded. Mac will rarely throw game crushing interceptions or make egregious mistakes, he's calm and calculated.
Play Action: For a quarterback that has no mobility whatsoever, Mac Jones is really good out of play action. He does not roll out, but he is great out of the play action pull, scanning the field with lightning speed and finding a short to intermediate throw before the defense understands it is not a run. Najee Harris gains a lot of attention from the defense for obvious reasons, but Mac takes every but of advantage that gives him, and just dumps it off with anticipation and understanding on how the defense develops out of the play action.
Finesse Throws: Mac Jones may not have the strongest arm or the best deep ball, but he is great at ball placement and balls that take finesse. From hitting corner routes in the end zone, lobs to the back of the end zone, sideline toe taps, and many more, Mac Jones can make those throws with ease. Mac, in a west coast system, will exceed in finessing the ball to the outside and getting the receiver space to work with. Really good tool, as the windows in the NFL are much tighter and go away much faster.
Accurate in Short to Medium Throws: As stated earlier, do not ask Mac to be incredibly accurate down the field, however, he is great in the short to intermediate throws. His receivers gained a lot of space in college, but if you watched closely his placement and accuracy did not require them being wide open. Even if covered, the receiver is the only one making a play on the ball, which is incredibly important in the NFL.

You can run playaction out of shotgun. OP was saying that Mac has only taken 10 snaps from under C

Who said Mac Jones isn't mobile

https://youtu.be/_uvvFgwBpsQ

Originally posted by 49ers18:

Originally posted by JaGuR:

Originally posted by TheGoldenNugget:
The source is he took only 10 snaps all year under C with and without playaction. Check Nick Wagner's thread on QBs who did. It's on his Twitter.

Lol

He did a stack of playaction.

Pros

Reading the Field: Mac Jones is one of, if not the best, at reading the field. His internal clock is incredibly fast and he can read the field at an accelerated rate. His receivers may seem to be miles open a lot of the time, but you never see Mac hold onto the ball for to long. He goes through his progressions very quickly and rarely forces it, which remains as one of the big reasons Alabama's offense succeeded. Mac will rarely throw game crushing interceptions or make egregious mistakes, he's calm and calculated.
Play Action: For a quarterback that has no mobility whatsoever, Mac Jones is really good out of play action. He does not roll out, but he is great out of the play action pull, scanning the field with lightning speed and finding a short to intermediate throw before the defense understands it is not a run. Najee Harris gains a lot of attention from the defense for obvious reasons, but Mac takes every but of advantage that gives him, and just dumps it off with anticipation and understanding on how the defense develops out of the play action.
Finesse Throws: Mac Jones may not have the strongest arm or the best deep ball, but he is great at ball placement and balls that take finesse. From hitting corner routes in the end zone, lobs to the back of the end zone, sideline toe taps, and many more, Mac Jones can make those throws with ease. Mac, in a west coast system, will exceed in finessing the ball to the outside and getting the receiver space to work with. Really good tool, as the windows in the NFL are much tighter and go away much faster.
Accurate in Short to Medium Throws: As stated earlier, do not ask Mac to be incredibly accurate down the field, however, he is great in the short to intermediate throws. His receivers gained a lot of space in college, but if you watched closely his placement and accuracy did not require them being wide open. Even if covered, the receiver is the only one making a play on the ball, which is incredibly important in the NFL.

You can run playaction out of shotgun. OP was saying that Mac has only taken 10 snaps from under C

Exactly and this is how Shanahan runs his offense, from under C. This has nothing to do with whether he can run PA or not.

Originally posted by TheGoldenNugget:

Originally posted by evil:
Source/Link ?

The source is he took only 10 snaps all year under C with and without playaction. Check Nick Wagner's thread on QBs who did. It's on his Twitter.

It doesn't mean that they did that because he wasn't comfortable enough though.

Originally posted by TheGoldenNugget:
Exactly and this is how Shanahan runs his offense, from under C. This has nothing to do with whether he can run PA or not.

Watch the clip i posted above your post and tell me he is not an upgrade on Jimmy

Originally posted by JaGuR:
Watch the clip i posted above your post and tell me he is not an upgrade on Jimmy

I've watched a ton of film on all the QBs and not saying he's not good. He's good and will be solid but shouldn't be the pick nor will he be the pick.

Originally posted by evil:
It doesn't mean that they did that because he wasn't comfortable enough though.

Sure. But what's to say he is? If he's not and we draft him, either Shanahan adjusts his whole playbook to him or you figure out if there's a problem.