Should the 49ers trade JG this year?

Originally posted by RDB4216:
The overall problem is going to be how Jimmy would react to starting with a high draft pick breathing down his neck. If he plays really well, we are in an awkward position of what to do next year. And the first time he throws a pick or takes a sack from holding the ball too long, everyone will be screaming for the rookie to be put in.

If Jimmy can't find a way to channel this situation into motivation to do better, then he's not fit to be a franchise QB anyways. If he plays well, that's a good problem to have. It means we can flip him or the rookie for assets next offseason from a position of strength. As for fans and media, people always cry for the backup regardless of who it is. Remember "we want Carr"? How many threads did we see last season calling for Mullens or Beathard?

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by susweel:
Jimmy probably wants out anyways. I bet he has his agent talking to teams about a trade.

Why would he want to stay somewhere he's going to be replaced?

uhhh maybe because it gives him the best opportunity to win and get a big contract from a team in 2022 if and when the Niners decide to move on. the $25M he'll earn too is another reason. lol

Players don't lose their contracts when they get traded LOL

Originally posted by Blake_Fever:
There's been a lot of chatter about the 49ers being open to trading Jimmy before the draft (or during, I suppose). Now, if a team presents a ridiculously generous offer, sure, you have to at least consider it. But ultimately, when you take emotion and being a "prisoner of the moment" out of it, the team will hold onto Jimmy this year because he represents their best chance at the playoffs and a Super Bowl run.

Looking for logical reasons to back this up? Well, I'm glad you asked!

1) Lynch and Shanahan have been touting the need for better QB depth.
How does starting a rookie and trading Jimmy answer this? It doesn't. A rookie/Rosen/Josh Johnson (or another vet) will not cut it, especially since I believe the Niners need to ACCOUNT for injuries moving forward. You could even argue last years QB room had better depth since Mullens and Beathard were in the system for 3 years. Three newbies? No thanks.

2) Look at all the 1 year contracts and veterans they signed.
I won't say this is an "all-in" year for SF, but it's definitely not a year they want to throw away. Unfortunately, starting a rookie would be doing just that. Which leads us to 3...

3) Rookie QBs generally aren't ready.
Wilson, Fields, and Lance all faced inferior competition. The NFL jump is a big one, plus the learning curve for Shanahan's offense...no way. And for those people saying Mac Jones is the most NFL ready; what is that based on? His 15 career college starts? That's always a red flag. Plus, Alabama had a significant talent advantage in all games. Just because Jones is the most NFL ready, doesn't mean he's actually ready day 1.

4) Cap savings don't matter anymore for this year.
The Niners signed everyone they wanted to, plus a few outsiders. They have enough cap room for their draft class, plus another FA or 2 when they shake free later in the year, plus for any in-season signings. An extension for Fred Warner doesn't need to be done until summer, and even that may not touch the 2021 books. Financially, there is no benefit to moving on from Jimmy now, but of course, 2022 is another story.

I didnt think SF would trade up to #3, so of course anything is possible. But I really don't think weakening their chances in 2021 by trading Jimmy for another draft pick or 2 is in the cards. Keeping Jimmy solidifies the short-and long-term futures of the franchise.

Agree 100% , 9ers are not getting rid of JG this year. It's superbowl or bust this year. I believe that's another reason why everyone resigned here even with the cap situation

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by susweel:
Jimmy probably wants out anyways. I bet he has his agent talking to teams about a trade.

Why would he want to stay somewhere he's going to be replaced?

uhhh maybe because it gives him the best opportunity to win and get a big contract from a team in 2022 if and when the Niners decide to move on. the $25M he'll earn too is another reason. lol

Players don't lose their contracts when they get traded LOL

teams really dont have the cap space this year. a trade to any quality team would seemingly require JG to redo his contract in some way.

Right now it's too difficult to get a true value on Jimmy. Pre ACL Jimmy is a completely different player than post ACL. They say it takes 2 years to recover from an ACL. If Jimmy can get back to his old ways and actually get his lower body synched with his throwing motion, he has value and is a very good QB. If not and he continues to throw in that perpendicular fashion in which he generates all of his torque with his upper body, he's not worth much. It's a difference between a second round pick vs a fourth rounder.

I say keep him and let our new QB sit. Even if it's for half the season. Let Jimmy show what he has in the gas tank and let our rookie absorb the offense. Only then do you trade Jimmy.

Best thing is jimmy starts this year and let rookie sit and come on slowly. Only trade if blown away by offer or rookie comes in and clearly is better now.

Originally posted by fryet:
If it takes a QB 2 years on the bench before they can play the game, then they shouldn't be drafted #3 overall.

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Originally posted by Niners99:
Who isn't going to be versed enough in this offense to lead us anywhere. If we trade Garoppolo we're essentially throwing this season out the window. We have too many veterans ready to win now in 2021 to do that. We will keep Jimmy and see what he can do with one more shot, and have the insurance plan and future waiting in the wings learning the system.

This. This is 100% is what I'm hoping. This team is ready to win now and Garoppolo is a QB that can help them get there this season. Let the rookie learn behind him. Just hoping Garoppolo is on board with this and takes this as a challenge to compete and thus, it brings out the best in him. Win-win for him and the team.

Only reason to trade him this year is if you get a big overpay like one of those firsts back. We don't need the cap space and shouldn't be looking rush the rookie in. What we do need though is a big year from Jimmy making him the hottest commodity on the market next off season.

You keep him and see where he takes us while using the season to develop a rookie. If he wins out and gets us a Superbowl you have an interesting predicament and one that will net us a huge bounty. If he doesn't you hope he's at least improved his trade value.

Originally posted by Niners99:
Its not really a lame duck situation unless he's conceded that he's not the best QB on the team. If he gets 2021 to make or break his spot here, he will be happy to show the 49ers that drafting a QB was a mistake. If he steps up big in 2021 and leads us to a SB win, it's highly unlikely that we get rid of him. Maybe we look to trade the rookie instead.

Any QB worth having will rise up to a challenge like this, not get discouraged. Im sure Jimmy would much prefer to get to be the starter this year and prove everyone wrong.

This is exactly where I'm at. Garoppolo as QB1 this season...gives the team the best chance this season. Let's see him compete & rise to the challenge vs. the rookie. This is what you want in a QB leading the team - Garoppolo's risen to previous challenges and let's see him do it more and improve (only 977 career pass attempts...not a ton of game situation "looks" & can still improve IMO).

Garoppolo plays well this year, improves & stays healthy throughout, and I like this team's chances this year with its talent vs. any team. And, you have a great situation at year's end for decisions to make about the QB position going forward. If this team can win the SB this year w/ Garoppolo, it then really becomes the best situation to be in moving forward and puts the team in a good predicament.

Originally posted by jcs:
You keep him and see where he takes us while using the season to develop a rookie. If he wins out and gets us a Superbowl you have an interesting predicament and one that will net us a huge bounty. If he doesn't you hope he's at least improved his trade value.

Literally ZERO DOWNSIDE to keeping Garoppolo.

Oh no, Jimmy did well in 2021. Whatever will we do. If only he played in a league that is ravenous for even mediocre QB play.

A few thoughts after reading this thread. JG cannot be traded for a mid round pick. His contract is for someone worth at least a 2nd round pick. If he is only worth a mid round pick to other teams, they won't accept his current contract, forcing the 49ers to trade him. Right now, JG would probably agree to a trade to any team, as that means he would get to keep his current contract money. If he is cut, he won't be making that kind of money. If JG has a great year, he will be worth more on the trade market, but he could refuse all trades, knowing that when he is cut, he will get a contract at least as high as his current.

We do have a veteran backup in Rosen, who has had enough time to learn Kyle's playbook. He hasn't played for the 49ers, so the only one who knows if he is good enough to play this year and win games is the 49ers. If the 49ers have 0 confidence in Rosen, then everyone is right, you can't trade JG this year.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by susweel:

Jimmy probably wants out anyways. I bet he has his agent talking to teams about a trade.

Why would he want to stay somewhere he's going to be replaced?

uhhh maybe because it gives him the best opportunity to win and get a big contract from a team in 2022 if and when the Niners decide to move on. the $25M he'll earn too is another reason. lol

Players don't lose their contracts when they get traded LOL

JG's contract is not guaranteed, so although unlikely he could be cut for little cost, so he does need to be wanted by some team

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by jcs:

You keep him and see where he takes us while using the season to develop a rookie. If he wins out and gets us a Superbowl you have an interesting predicament and one that will net us a huge bounty. If he doesn't you hope he's at least improved his trade value.

Literally ZERO DOWNSIDE to keeping Garoppolo.

Oh no, Jimmy did well in 2021. Whatever will we do. If only he played in a league that is ravenous for even mediocre QB play.

I would keep him, but there is downside, he could easily lose value:
* He could get injured again and lose trade value (fairly likely, esp. with our OL)
* He could play poorly and lose trade value
* He could be a poor mentor to the young QB