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Should the 49ers trade JG this year?

  • pd24
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Originally posted by JaggedJ:
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by zero:
You don't trade up to #3 to not start the QB you draft ASAP. Trade Jimmy now

This. We could get how much cap space if we traded him now? Lock up Warner for 6 years. I don't see any way Jimmy is on the 49ers this season.

What do the need the cap space for ? This year is already set.

You don't have to use it all for this year. With backloaded contracts and Warner, Bosa amongst others just around the corner it would give us an additional layer of flexibility.

Same can be said for trading him next season. He will get us a better package if he plays better. And he will win more games that a rookie.
Originally posted by pd24:
Originally posted by JaggedJ:
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by zero:
You don't trade up to #3 to not start the QB you draft ASAP. Trade Jimmy now

This. We could get how much cap space if we traded him now? Lock up Warner for 6 years. I don't see any way Jimmy is on the 49ers this season.

What do the need the cap space for ? This year is already set.

You don't have to use it all for this year. With backloaded contracts and Warner, Bosa amongst others just around the corner it would give us an additional layer of flexibility.

Same can be said for trading him next season. He will get us a better package if he plays better. And he will win more games that a rookie.

Similar but not the same.

If he's traded this year, the freed up money that goes unused rolls over to next year giving us even more cap to absorb the backloaded and restructured money we're pushing back. Gives more room to take advantage of the rookie contract.

Trading next year still frees up some money but not as much.

The rest is just assumption based on opinion, not fact.
  • 9moon
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He and Deevah will be sent to the Bucks for their 1st rounder this year..

We're going to start ROSEN and allow the young QB we draft to sit and learn..

then in the 6th round, I expect Shanny to draft his pet in SAM I AM of Texas..
Originally posted by JaggedJ:
Similar but not the same.

If he's traded this year, the freed up money that goes unused rolls over to next year giving us even more cap to absorb the backloaded and restructured money we're pushing back. Gives more room to take advantage of the rookie contract.

Trading next year still frees up some money but not as much.

The rest is just assumption based on opinion, not fact.

Niners are built to win this year. When did a rookie win a SB? Plus as it has been beaten with a dead horse, it took Matt Ryan a year to learn the system-an NFL all pro vet, you expect a rookie in a COVID environment to pick it up faster? LOL

Plus how you going to trade him if he nixes the deal due to the no trade clause?
Originally posted by WildBill:
Originally posted by JaggedJ:
Similar but not the same.

If he's traded this year, the freed up money that goes unused rolls over to next year giving us even more cap to absorb the backloaded and restructured money we're pushing back. Gives more room to take advantage of the rookie contract.

Trading next year still frees up some money but not as much.

The rest is just assumption based on opinion, not fact.

Niners are built to win this year. When did a rookie win a SB? Plus as it has been beaten with a dead horse, it took Matt Ryan a year to learn the system-an NFL all pro vet, you expect a rookie in a COVID environment to pick it up faster? LOL

Plus how you going to trade him if he nixes the deal due to the no trade clause?

I'm not going to repeat my thoughts on our SB chances for the 20th time today.

Jimmy's trade clause means nothing. Nobody is paying him that contract on the open market and if he gets cut it's even less.
  • mayo49
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Trade him for a second - he won't fetch a first.
  • cciowa
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Originally posted by Bobdawg78:
If we draft Fields #3, then I am down for trading Jimmy for a 2nd this year, OR a 1st next year. Fields can play day 1, at the core, we're a running team, so learning the passing plays will be the main learning curve. Shanahan can ease him into it during the season, and the best way to learn, is going through the motions in game action. Fields should be fine, and getting out of Jimmys contract will pay dividends going forward.

I would be down for trading a 5th for Minshew, so we have a solid back up who can win if thrust into action. Rosen would be QB3 for now, but battle Minshew for QB2.

I am not willing to turn over what could be a very deep run in the playoffs roster to a untested kid
  • cciowa
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Originally posted by cciowa:
I am not willing to turn over what could be a very deep run in the playoffs roster to a untested kid

cc forgot to say... i am staying away from the web zone on thursday
Have him start, increase value and trade if he doesn't win a super bowl. I'm serious, kiddo will need to learn the offense without being thrown in the fire too soon.
[ Edited by Youngone on Mar 29, 2021 at 6:11 AM ]
Originally posted by 9moon:
He and Deevah will be sent to the Bucks for their 1st rounder this year..

We're going to start ROSEN and allow the young QB we draft to sit and learn..

then in the 6th round, I expect Shanny to draft his pet in SAM I AM of Texas..

You usually do come up with worst trades lol, but now you want to trade them to an NBA team?
No, I think we could get just as much, if not more in 2022 without damaging locker room morale.
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
No, I think we could get just as much, if not more in 2022 without damaging locker room morale.

I agree. I think 9ers would only trade Jimmy this year if a Watson deal is in play.
Originally posted by RDB4216:
The answer is a strong...maybe. I really think it depends on which rookie QB we are getting. I think Zack Wilson could pick up the system pretty quickly. Trey Lance maybe - he is raw in some ways, but did call protections and some plays in college. I think Justin Fields could use a year to sit and learn.

The overall problem is going to be how Jimmy would react to starting with a high draft pick breathing down his neck. If he plays really well, we are in an awkward position of what to do next year. And the first time he throws a pick or takes a sack from holding the ball too long, everyone will be screaming for the rookie to be put in.

If there is ANY way we can still fleece a 1st rounder from New England, I'd jump on it. I would even really consider it for their 2nd. For me, I really wanted Caleb Farley or Jaycee Horn in this draft. When word came out about Farley's surgery, I even wondered if we could trade down a little bit to get him...then trade up from the 2nd to grab Horn too. I think counting on Verrett to stay healthy and Mosely to stop being streaking, is as much of a gamble than counting on a rookie QB to start.


Please don't fall for this ridiculous media narrative based on the bigotry of low expectations. Not calling you a bigot, but this thinking is insidious and subconscious and we see it in the media all the time. It isn't that simple. It's based on the system, the tools around a player and obviously the talent of the QB. I'm repeating myself, but Matt Ryan was an established QB who had a rough time in Kyle's system. There were even rumors of a rift between Matt Ryan and Kyle. Matt was already an established All Pro QB. On the other hand, Seattle started the rookie Russell Wilson and changed their system to fit his strengths and he succeeded. See the Bills as well. Coaches soon caught on to the fact that if they revised their offense to the strength of their QB they could have success.

But Kyle is different. He has a team built to win now, but he needs to start looking at the future. No QB in this draft is ready to start day one in this system because Kyle isn't going to throw out his playbook to create a new one based on some gimmicky-ass college offense. Kyle is most likely preparing for a Lance or Fields or Zach Wilson if he's there (which I believe he will be). They will sit and learn Kyle's system with little tweaks to exploit their strengths like off-platform throws, moving pockets and deep balls.

Jimmy will eventually be replaced because he has a weak arm. We've seen what happens when his body isn't 100% and he can't use his legs to generate power. Guys like Mahomes and most of the top QBs in this draft have superior arm strength so they can make big throws off platform so something like an ankle sprain wouldn't nearly affect their velocity as much. But when healthy, Jimmy can be a top 10 QB. A top 10 QB with this roster is good enough to win a Lombardi and so that's what we'll roll with.
[ Edited by BleedsRedNGold on Mar 29, 2021 at 7:32 AM ]
Ugh people are so short sighted. Why are these people that are begging to trade Jimmy now not acknowledging the argument? A rookie will not only suck in this offense if not given time to learn, you may crush their confidence and ruin them as a QB prospect. They ignore this because it's hard to refute. Second what are you going to trade Jimmy for? No one will give up a first or second for him right now. However if we keep him, that will change. I don't know if some still consider the o-line a weakness but I don't. With a bolstered line Jimmy can very much get us back in the playoffs with hopes of a Lombardi.

After a solid year we can get a decent pick for Jimmy. We can work it out with him and let him choose between the highest bidders. I do think we should pressure him to take a pay cut. Maybe 20 mil and he can resign with whoever trades for him. If he stinks or gets injured again we put the rookie in after hopefully a couple weeks or months of learning. This strategy is so perfectly lined up. We resigned most of the secondary, fixed our o-line, and we are getting back healthy on both sides of the ball. I thought this made perfect sense as preparation for Watson. I think maybe that was the plan until the lawsuits.
This is a tough question. I'm not sure how much they could get for him after being injured 2 out of the last 3 years. Not just injured, but missed a majority of the games. That's not what teams are looking for. If they could get a 2nd rounder for him I'd probably do it. Of course that would mean starting a rookie of JoshRosen for at least the first half of the season.

If they let him play another year, he could have another season like 2019 and his trade value would be higher. Maybe a 1st rounder or 2 seconds. The danger is he gets hurt again and then he's worthless. No trade value at all. It's obvious that Jimmy isn't n their long term plans. They wouldn't trade away 2 first round picks for a backup.
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